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#52 Apr 08 2011 at 1:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Alobont wrote:
Works just fine. Mine is ratt+10 qd-5, though im planning on redoing it since I have wildfire now.
What does Wildfire have to do with a Mirke? You'll see the same or slightly more damage with Loki's, plus the added bonus of Store TP.

Afania wrote:
You can use STP gears for any AGI slots you're currently using if you feel AGI stacking is redundant.
I have to agree with this. Personally, I'm quite the fan of using all the STP gear we've gotten access to in the last 15 levels. With Tactician's Roll, it's pretty pointless to aim for a specific X-hit build, so I just stack STP wherever I can. I've been using Loki's and AF3+2 legs for Quick Draw lately; the MAB available in those slots is negligible compared to being able to Weaponskill a couple of ticks earlier.
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#53 Apr 10 2011 at 9:02 AM Rating: Decent
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chewzer wrote:
Alobont wrote:
Works just fine. Mine is ratt+10 qd-5, though im planning on redoing it since I have wildfire now.
What does Wildfire have to do with a Mirke? You'll see the same or slightly more damage with Loki's, plus the added bonus of Store TP.

Afania wrote:
You can use STP gears for any AGI slots you're currently using if you feel AGI stacking is redundant.
I have to agree with this. Personally, I'm quite the fan of using all the STP gear we've gotten access to in the last 15 levels. With Tactician's Roll, it's pretty pointless to aim for a specific X-hit build, so I just stack STP wherever I can. I've been using Loki's and AF3+2 legs for Quick Draw lately; the MAB available in those slots is negligible compared to being able to Weaponskill a couple of ticks earlier.


Redoing the mirke for a qd piece is what i meant since I no longer need it as a WS piece for slug and det. The ratt +10 augment is basically useless so I can ditch it to swap in matt for qd now. I wasnt suggesting useing it over lokis.
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#54 Apr 10 2011 at 10:56 AM Rating: Good
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Ah, I misunderstood. Mah bad.
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#55 Apr 20 2011 at 1:22 PM Rating: Good
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Considering my fairly lukewarm position these days on the importance of AGI to prevent QD resists... What might people here suggest to pair with Moldy for someone who doesn't have Novio or Hecate's earrings?

I've traditionally used Moldy/Drone. Lately I haven't even bothered bringing a Drone along just for inventory's sake, and just used Suppa and taken the loss of 1 AGI. What else is out there to hold me over until I manage to get my hands on Hecate's (Novio isn't really an option for me)?

Maybe Volley Earring solely for the Store TP +2? Currently sitting at only sTP+6, but I could also ditch Solemn Ring for Rajas (I usually use Zodiac/Solemn for elemental shots) and get it up to 13.

FWIW, my current QD set:

Weapon (Elemental Staves if I can, otherwise melee weapons that do nothing for QD)
Miramar Gun (nearing completion of Ice Mayhem +2 to replace it)
Oberon's Bullet
Corsair's Tricorne +1
Navarch's Choker
Moldy/???
Mirke Wardecors
Schutzen Mittens
Zodiac/Solemn (replacing Zodiac with an Emerald Ring for light/dark)
Forban Cape
Crudelis Belt (Working on getting my hands on Aquiline... a RANGER lotted on the last LS drop and won it >.<)
Navarch's Culottes +1 (Denali eludes me despite my efforts, I'll eventually redo Desultor Tassets with MAB+4)
Navarch's Bottes +1

Edited, Apr 20th 2011 3:31pm by Anza
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#56 Apr 20 2011 at 2:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Anza wrote:
Considering my fairly lukewarm position these days on the importance of AGI to prevent QD resists... What might people here suggest to pair with Moldy for someone who doesn't have Novio or Hecate's earrings?

I've traditionally used Moldy/Drone. Lately I haven't even bothered bringing a Drone along just for inventory's sake, and just used Suppa and taken the loss of 1 AGI. What else is out there to hold me over until I manage to get my hands on Hecate's (Novio isn't really an option for me)?

Maybe Volley Earring solely for the Store TP +2? Currently sitting at only sTP+6, but I could also ditch Solemn Ring for Rajas (I usually use Zodiac/Solemn for elemental shots) and get it up to 13.

FWIW, my current QD set:

Weapon (Elemental Staves if I can, otherwise melee weapons that do nothing for QD)
Miramar Gun (nearing completion of Ice Mayhem +2 to replace it)
Oberon's Bullet
Corsair's Tricorne +1
Navarch's Choker
Moldy/???
Mirke Wardecors
Schutzen Mittens
Zodiac/Solemn (replacing Zodiac with an Emerald Ring for light/dark)
Forban Cape
Crudelis Belt (Working on getting my hands on Aquiline... a RANGER lotted on the last LS drop and won it >.<)
Navarch's Culottes +1 (Denali eludes me despite my efforts, I'll eventually redo Desultor Tassets with MAB+4)
Navarch's Bottes +1

Edited, Apr 20th 2011 3:31pm by Anza


Just wait till you get hectates, vollet is fine or suppa.
Change out corsair choker for Ugg pendant.
As far as rings go, until you can get demon rings with matt on them zodiacs or in my case 2 stomrsouls is fine.
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#57 Apr 20 2011 at 3:29 PM Rating: Good
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WotG Earring can be useful as well until Hecates

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#58 Apr 21 2011 at 11:37 AM Rating: Good
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Alobont wrote:
Just wait till you get hectates, vollet is fine or suppa.
Change out corsair choker for Ugg pendant.
As far as rings go, until you can get demon rings with matt on them zodiacs or in my case 2 stomrsouls is fine.

Viska wrote:
WotG Earring can be useful as well until Hecates


How's this for timing, last night I lucked into another option I forgot about - Navarch's Earring (R.Acc+3/M.Acc+2). I guess I'll use that for now with a goal of upgrading to Hecate's eventually.

I did forget Moonshade Earring, good comment. But I like my existing one (Acc+4/Regain) that I use on other jobs - MNK PUP, and any time I want the extra regain on COR NIN instead of Suppa's Dual Wield. I'm really hooked on the Regain from it, and if I redid it I'd go for Atk/Regain just due to being capped on Acc a lot these days anyway (but since that may not be the case in non-Abyssea new content I'll just hold onto it for now and save the hassle of redoing it).

And yeah, I guess it's time to get an Ugg Pendant. I used to not use one because of the price in the 75cap days, but now there's not much excuse. Other than since I've been back to playing COR I never seem to see one on the AH when I check (perils of a low population server I guess). I'll get one soon once I run into it for sale.
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#59 Apr 27 2011 at 10:52 AM Rating: Good
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I'm also in the process if maximizing my build for QD/WF. What atmas do any of you use? I typically use Smoldering, Lone Wolf & Ultimate or Smoldering, Gnarled & Ultimate. I hardly melee on COR anymore so, I don't use melee atmas. Here's my current build.


QD: /RDM sub
Armageddon
Oberon Bullet
Reaver's Grip +1
Vulcan's Staff
Corsair's Tricorne +1
Navarch's Frac +2 (going to change my Mirke to MAB/QD)
Navarch's Gants +2
Denali Kecks (can't change ASA pants since my RDM uses it)
Navarch's Bottes +2
Ugg Pendant
Novio Earring
Hecate's Earring
2x Stormsouls (hopefully to get 2 MAB rings someday)
Forban Cape
Aquiline Belt

WF: /RDM sub
Armageddon
Steel Bullet
Reaver's Grip +1
Vulcan's Staff
Navarch's Tricorne +2
Loki's Kaftan
Shulzen's Mittens
Ambusher's Hose
Navarch's Bottes +2
Ugg Pendant
Novio Earring
Hecate's Earring
2x Stormsouls
Forban Cape
Aquiline Belt (Sveltesse Gouriz is always out, I think RMTs are fix pricing this in Bismarck)

Edited for the Reaver's Grip+1 since I do have it.


Edited, Apr 27th 2011 11:33am by RusticusSageo
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#60 Apr 27 2011 at 12:28 PM Rating: Good
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We have nearly identical builds. The only increase (other then what u pointed out) would be Reaver's grip +1 and a Karin Obi when applicable.

As for atmas; I personally use Sea daughter over a second fire attack atma.

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#61 Apr 27 2011 at 1:41 PM Rating: Good
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RusticusSageo wrote:
I'm also in the process if maximizing my build for QD/WF. What atmas do any of you use? I typically use Smoldering, Lone Wolf & Ultimate or Smoldering, Gnarled & Ultimate. I hardly melee on COR anymore so, I don't use melee atmas. Here's my current build.
Nearly identical to my builds as well.

For Quick Draw, I focus a bit less on AF3+2 than you do. The proc % is so low that it's just not worth using more than 2 or 3 pieces of the set. If I were you I would use the StoreTP from Loki's until you get your Mirke changed. Personally I would also swap the hands to Schutzen for a touch more TP. That's just me though; it's a matter of preference.

For my Wildfire build I have the exact same setup, except again I prefer AF3+2 legs for a bit of extra StoreTP. I like to think that weaponskilling again a tick earlier more than makes up for the loss of 2 AGI.

Atmas are situational, but I typically use Sea Daughter, Lone Wolf and Smouldering. I know that setup gives no bonus to ranged attacks, but Sea Daughter + Tactician's Roll + STPgear gives so much freakin' Regain that I pretty much only shoot once or twice between weaponskills anyways.
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#62 Apr 28 2011 at 10:04 AM Rating: Default
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Agil rings are Better for WF then matt rings unless you can get 4matt on them.

Not sure but i saw some math saying aquiline belt beats out that other one.

Also i also believe unless under brew denali beats ambusher, could be wrong

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#63 Apr 28 2011 at 12:49 PM Rating: Good
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In the top example you just gave you say that 3mab rings < 7 Agi Rings.
But then proceed to say that a 7 Agi belt < 3 Mab Belt
And then proceed to say that a 7 Agi difference in legs < 3 Mab Legs.

I'm gonna stick with the baby on this one and point out my gear pretty much mirror's his.

For atmas I will use Sea Daughter, Ultimate and Smoldering.
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#64 Apr 28 2011 at 2:15 PM Rating: Good
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Nobody even mentioned to use MAB+3 rings over AGI+7 rings on WF build.
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#65 Apr 28 2011 at 2:29 PM Rating: Good
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RusticusSageo wrote:
Nobody even mentioned to use MAB+3 rings over AGI+7 rings on WF build.


Yes someone did.

Alobont wrote:
Agil rings are Better for WF then matt rings unless you can get 4matt on them.

Not sure but i saw some math saying aquiline belt beats out that other one.

Also i also believe unless under brew denali beats ambusher, could be wrong



Edit: Well, you are right that he wasn't advocating 3 MAB rings over stormsouls, but Alobont did say that 7 AGI > 3 MAB on the rings and in the same breath said that 3 MAB on Belt > 7 AGI. The legs I think are a special case, because it is 7 AGI vs. 3 MAB/MACC.

Edited, Apr 28th 2011 4:04pm by Meldi
#66 Apr 28 2011 at 3:41 PM Rating: Default
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Its all very close. 3matt takes roughly 6 agil to beat depending on how much matt you have. I said aquiline over the agil belt for the macc since macc stabilises wildfire damage.

Personal prreference I suppose as we are talking very close numbers depending on the situation.
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#67 Apr 28 2011 at 3:56 PM Rating: Good
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Hmmmm... never noticed the macc on aquiline. So it is in the same boat with Denali then as far as the comparison.
#68 Jun 15 2011 at 6:42 AM Rating: Decent
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Just sharing some ideas about QD set for those who actually enjoy using lots of inventory and gear swap ;p


Recently I've been working on 2 sets of QD and playing a bit with it, one set is full of STP pieces such as Brisk mask/Goading belt/Tactical mantle/Hoard ring/Rajas/Schutzen Mittens and Gules leggings +1(or AF3+2 if main WS is WF ), it's used when TP is < 100% and most dmg came from WS to get to 100 TP faster.

The second set is used when TP higher than 100% or very close to 100%, aiming for max dmg output(or in situations where QD dmg is needed more than WS dmg), with stuff like Zodiac ring/elemental Obi, AF3+2 hands instead of Schutzen Mittens(Schutzen is really only good when your TP lower than 100)for set bonus, AGI rings, AF1+1 head, Desultor Tassets with MAB augment and AF3+2 feet.

Still testing if doing it this way is worth it, although I'm sure the difference isn't very big lol.
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