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#52 Mar 23 2011 at 11:23 AM Rating: Good
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AshMulder wrote:
Also saying its easier to finish empy before woe is quite a statement seing i finished a caldbolg and woe gun before alabont even finished his giant fishes...
It depends on your resources. If you have 2-3 friends with the right jobs, and they're willing to dedicate the time, each stage of Armageddon can be done in a day of hardcore farming.

If you're more of a loner or don't have a lot of playtime, then the WoE path still results in a very nice gun that can be obtained at a casual pace.

Edited, Mar 23rd 2011 12:24pm by Chewzer
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chewzer wrote:
AshMulder wrote:
Also saying its easier to finish empy before woe is quite a statement seing i finished a caldbolg and woe gun before alabont even finished his giant fishes...
It depends on your resources. If you have 2-3 friends with the right jobs, and they're willing to dedicate the time, each stage of Armageddon can be done in a day of hardcore farming.

If you're more of a loner or don't have a lot of playtime, then the WoE path still results in a very nice gun that can be obtained at a casual pace.

Edited, Mar 23rd 2011 12:24pm by Chewzer


Don t get me wrong armageddon is still the best choice, but its always gonna take you longer to get a lvl90 armageddon than a level 90 woe gun, stage 85/90 is just 20KC and 50HKC And you end up with quite a decent altenative to armageddon
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#54 Mar 23 2011 at 4:29 PM Rating: Default
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AlObont for **** sake. Seriously people cant read its an O.

Also im doing my fishes in shouts with limited playtime outside of my static. Had my static done the fish we would of had masamune and arma done by now.
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Finished stage 2 this morning.
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#56 Mar 27 2011 at 10:19 AM Rating: Decent
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I wonder how would Atma of the burning Effigy would compare to Atma of the Lone Wolf. With Burning Effigy you get +Fire weaponskill dmg Major and full benefit of fireday/weather bonus.


I'm curious about this too. I currently use SMoldering Sky, Lone Wolf & Ultimate.

Welcome to the club & congratulations. Now go brew something. Lol. May i suggest Isegebind.

Edited, Mar 27th 2011 12:38pm by MK187
#57 Mar 28 2011 at 2:12 AM Rating: Good
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It all depends on the direction SE takes COR. If u want the ultimate Elemental WS or brew WS then the difference is minimal to very minimal.

Arma is obviously going to pull leaps and bounds in the Ranged shooting side of things, but for some CORs that might be something thats never going to be apart of their role again. Out of all the jobs where the WoE version would be a good alternative, I'd say COR is in the number 1 spot.

You will be able to pull out the same impressive stuff with Bedlam as you would with Arma. Also, the competition for popping Cara, and especially Cirein isn't exactly normal - they are 2 of the most camped NM's in all abys.



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#58 Mar 28 2011 at 5:32 AM Rating: Default
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Cara isnt camped at all any more really. Most people have made their masamunes. Cc is still camped pretty well but nothing like guku. Everyone is making nin katanas and war gaxes so guku is probably the most camped currently.
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#59 Mar 28 2011 at 5:25 PM Rating: Good
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Alobont wrote:
Cara isnt camped at all any more really. Most people have made their masamunes. Cc is still camped pretty well but nothing like guku. Everyone is making nin katanas and war gaxes so guku is probably the most camped currently.
I have to agree. I spent a few days in Misareaux Coast recently helping a friend with his katana, and we actually used Heqet for building lights because nobody was camping it the entire time we were there.
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#60 Mar 28 2011 at 6:16 PM Rating: Decent
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I wonder how would Atma of the burning Effigy would compare to Atma of the Lone Wolf. With Burning Effigy you get +Fire weaponskill dmg Major and full benefit of fireday/weather bonus.


I'm curious about this too. I currently use SMoldering Sky, Lone Wolf & Ultimate.

Edited, Mar 27th 2011 12:38pm by MK187


Just parsed the other day in EXP pt with /SAM, with sea daughter atma I WS almost 2x as many times as using 3 fire attack and MAB atma. Compare with other melee DDs I WS 3 times more often and 3~4 times more WS dmg. I'd say as long as you're using a Vulcan's staff, Smoldering sky/Ultimate/sea daughter combo is very hard to beat.


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Cara isnt camped at all any more really. Most people have made their masamunes. Cc is still camped pretty well but nothing like guku. Everyone is making nin katanas and war gaxes so guku is probably the most camped currently.



I'd say that's because SAM COR RNG and DRK are pretty dead job atm so ppl won't bother, and would rather do NIN empyrean which is 10x more useful. After next update things may change with new content outside of abyssea, so better quickly finish the Heqet stage now XD.


Edited, Mar 28th 2011 8:17pm by Afania
#61 Mar 28 2011 at 7:32 PM Rating: Default
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Afania wrote:
MK187 wrote:
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I wonder how would Atma of the burning Effigy would compare to Atma of the Lone Wolf. With Burning Effigy you get +Fire weaponskill dmg Major and full benefit of fireday/weather bonus.


I'm curious about this too. I currently use SMoldering Sky, Lone Wolf & Ultimate.

Edited, Mar 27th 2011 12:38pm by MK187


Just parsed the other day in EXP pt with /SAM, with sea daughter atma I WS almost 2x as many times as using 3 fire attack and MAB atma. Compare with other melee DDs I WS 3 times more often and 3~4 times more WS dmg. I'd say as long as you're using a Vulcan's staff, Smoldering sky/Ultimate/sea daughter combo is very hard to beat.


Alobont wrote:
Cara isnt camped at all any more really. Most people have made their masamunes. Cc is still camped pretty well but nothing like guku. Everyone is making nin katanas and war gaxes so guku is probably the most camped currently.



I'd say that's because SAM COR RNG and DRK are pretty dead job atm so ppl won't bother, and would rather do NIN empyrean which is 10x more useful. After next update things may change with new content outside of abyssea, so better quickly finish the Heqet stage now XD.


Edited, Mar 28th 2011 8:17pm by Afania


I think it mostly has to do with the Masamune rush being over with personally combined with the fact that no one has COR leveled and no one likes RNG. DRK while dead is still very popular, ive seen a large rise in Cala drks lately and most drks have relic scythe really ( not most obviously but a large number do).

The populace kind of migrates around on empys it seems. At first it was Cara spam, then there was glavoid, now guku. People are jsut roating around really, least thats how ive seen it.
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#62 Mar 28 2011 at 8:00 PM Rating: Good
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Afania wrote:
I'd say as long as you're using a Vulcan's staff, Smoldering sky/Ultimate/sea daughter combo is very hard to beat.
I would be curious to see your results if you replaced Ultimate or Smoldering with Gnarled Horn. While you would decrease your Fire Shot damage a bit, I think the added damage to Wildfire might make up for it.

Not that it really matters much anyways in an exp party. Wildfire **** near one-shots every NQ mob in Abyssea anyways.
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#63 Mar 29 2011 at 7:04 AM Rating: Decent
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Speaking of parses, anyone parsed a full agi setup versus a MAB setup for wilfire?
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#64 Mar 29 2011 at 8:40 AM Rating: Default
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From what ive seen matt does more for wildfire then agil. Its easy to see with GH and Ultimate. From the formulas ive seen matt is multiplied at the end of equation so its gonna give a larger boost. Im not sure on the matt to agil ratio though.
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It depends entirely on how much of each you have. I did some numbers a while ago and using a wide range of AGI and MAB values, it is usually less than 2MAB:1AGI and usually above 1MAB:1AGI. So, for example, I'd take 7 AGI ring over a 2 or 3 MAB ring.

Looking at atmas:

AGI: 140

MAB (gear+/RDM): 40

Target INT: 80


2*(140-80) + (5.5*(92+(0.85*140*.6))) = 1018

Ultimate + Smoldering Sky:

1018 * 1.55 * 1.90 = 2998 damage


3rd Atma:

+40 MAB

1018 * 1.55 * 2.30 = 3629 damage

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+40 Fire Attack

1018 * 1.95 * 1.90 = 3771 damage

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+40 AGI

2*(180-80) + (5.5*(92+(0.85*180*.6))) = 1210 Damage

1210 * 1.55 * 1.90 = 3563 damage


So, fire attack still beats out both MAB and AGI (4-6% better). MAB is only 2% better than AGI option (at this level 1 AGI = 1.02 MAB). So they are pretty even at these high levels.
#66 Mar 31 2011 at 10:58 AM Rating: Decent
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akisushiva, thank you for posting #'s. Interesting that's for sure.

So based on those #'s,

Atma of the Burning Effigy (FireWeapon Skill Damage+: Major | Gain full benefit of Firesday/fire weather bonuses)

Atma of Hell's Guardian (MAB+50)

Atma of the Smoldering Sky (Fire Attack+30)


Best 3 atma's for Wildfire?
#67 Apr 01 2011 at 11:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Lone Wolf gives Fire Attack as well
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#68 Apr 03 2011 at 5:45 AM Rating: Good
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If TP dmg is needed aswell, which for most things it is outside of engage NM and ws, then RR would be a good choice. The nice melee buff obviously speaks for itself. 50AGL is a big boost for ws too, although not the biggest. Combined with Lone wolf or Smoulering sky and Ultimate seems like a solid allround atma setup.


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+40 AGI

2*(180-80) + (5.5*(92+(0.85*180*.6))) = 1210 Damage

1210 * 1.55 * 1.90 = 3563 damage


RR would be +50AGL, so using the ws equation it becomes

1238 * 1.55 * 1.9 = 3645 Damage


Also, wouldn't the 3rd MAB atma be 50MAB instead of 40 (as its superior, or 30 if its Major)), along with the Fire Attack only being +30 because its FireAtt: Major. I don't think there are any Fire Attack: Superior atmas unless i'm wrong, I thought Lone wolf was superior but wiki has it as major so i dunno.

If you re-did the 3rd atma, a MAB superior as 3rd should win, followed by AGL, followed by the Major Fire attack.
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#69 Apr 03 2011 at 10:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Sandmasterr wrote:
RR would be +50AGL

Except RR is +50 DEX. GH is AGI and nowhere near the same melee damage increase.

Elemental attack atmas can be different from MAB atmas. Cosmos is 40%, but Lone Wolf is 30% indeed.

And remember that MAB is always additive with other MAB, so if you have +50 MAB already, +50 more MAB is only a 200/150 = 33% increase.

Edited, Apr 3rd 2011 9:49pm by Raelix
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this is semi necro bump but ohwell.

WoE Gun vs Real thing for Corsair is a mute point. Most Cor's get the gun to use for brews, each weapon will do the exact same damage under brew on wildfires, If you however have and use Rng aswell, then make the real one.

Im currently 22/50 gems, after 2 trips into abyssea, I was 16/50 lanterns but dropped them duo to thinking I wouldnt make the weapon. But just as easy as the first stage anyways. And isge getting KI's from chests and basically non-stop farming of the KI nm makes the whole 80-90 trial the easiest path by far.

The gun is amazing every cor should have it.
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#71 May 15 2011 at 11:56 AM Rating: Good
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I havnt played cor since the good old bird camp days, but im missing it something horrible and with things seeming to start moving away from atma fueled DD gods im hoping that it'll be needed once again(I wont lie the trailer for the new potc film didnt help either)so I have a question about Armageddon.

How possible is would it be to duo this? I ask since I dont realy get chance to do anything outside of PUGs and my time zone means I only get to run with my ls for about 3hrs one night a week which is usually seal farming or farming KIs for the "core" members. I dont mind but leaves lots of time to myself.

Since everyone keeps saying mnk + whm can do pretty much everything in abyssea I was considering picking up the new collection when its released tomorrow and leveling rdm/blm/whm with it to dual box stuff.
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#72 May 15 2011 at 5:51 PM Rating: Good
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I havnt played cor since the good old bird camp days, but im missing it something horrible and with things seeming to start moving away from atma fueled DD gods im hoping that it'll be needed once again(I wont lie the trailer for the new potc film didnt help either)so I have a question about Armageddon.

How possible is would it be to duo this? I ask since I dont realy get chance to do anything outside of PUGs and my time zone means I only get to run with my ls for about 3hrs one night a week which is usually seal farming or farming KIs for the "core" members. I dont mind but leaves lots of time to myself.

Since everyone keeps saying mnk + whm can do pretty much everything in abyssea I was considering picking up the new collection when its released tomorrow and leveling rdm/blm/whm with it to dual box stuff.


What jobs do you have atm?

Yes you can duo the entire trial easily, even without MNK+WHM levelled.
I don't have MNK NIN WHM WAR w/e job that makes Abyssea easy mode, but still able get all the way to lv 90 done, I've done all 3 NMs without those easy mode job as well. So I guess you don't really NEED to lv those jobs, although lving those jobs will make your life a lot easier.

Carabosse: I've done it with BLU/NINx2+ BLM after recent update, BLM was there for yellow proc for +2 items, so you don't need a WHM for this NM at all. This NM should be able to solo by some jobs such as NIN/DNC, maybe DNC, BLU, BST can also solo it. Basically for melee straight tank jobs, just keep your shadows up, kite it around the lake if you got mute+dispel to avoid dangerous situations(that's if you're soloing it, if you're duoing with a WHM you can just keep DDing), and gear swap to MDT- set if stunned+ shadows dispelled and AeroV or AMII magic coming. I've also seen a WAR/SAM duoed it with a WHM, he just eats all spells with a MDT- set, so you don't even need shadows XD

I've wrote a possible strategy to solo Carabosse on BLU here: http://an-empty-vessel.blogspot.com/2011/05/blu-solo-carabosse.html
I think it can also apply to other jobs.


CC: Can solo or lowman easily with any job that can bind/gravity and kite nuke. In theory COR can solo it with QD, but that'd take very long time. I think BST can solo it too.

Isgebind: You can just get 4~5 ppl holding KI for you and brew all of them at once with Wildfire. I've also done it with a PLD friend with no WHM in the pt, although that's an Ochain PLD. I think any DD/NIN can duo with a WHM/BLM with a MDT- set and WHM good enough to get through the para aura+ stun -ga spells. I've also seen 2 BST pets main tanked/DD Isgebind, so I think BST can also solo/duo this NM.




Edited, May 15th 2011 8:09pm by Afania
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I currently have a LS mate who's nearly completed his level 90 Masamune (same trials as Armageddon), and he's done all of it dualboxing WAR and WHM without any help whatsoever. Granted, he's a very nicely geared WAR, but I believe anybody could do it with the right Atmas. The only trial that's given him even the slightest resistance is Isgebind (the last trial), and that's only the couple of times that Isgebind made a few cheap shots.

Armageddon will be even easier to duo/dualbox/lowman after the update later this week when SE makes Heqet's Key Item drop from gold pyxides; occasionally Heqet can be overcamped.
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Thank you both, thats exactly what I was looking for :D

I already have the combat jobs leveled, just a matter of having a pocket mage now.
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#75 May 15 2011 at 6:30 PM Rating: Decent
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chewzer wrote:
I currently have a LS mate who's nearly completed his level 90 Masamune (same trials as Armageddon), and he's done all of it dualboxing WAR and WHM without any help whatsoever. Granted, he's a very nicely geared WAR, but I believe anybody could do it with the right Atmas. The only trial that's given him even the slightest resistance is Isgebind (the last trial), and that's only the couple of times that Isgebind made a few cheap shots.

Armageddon will be even easier to duo/dualbox/lowman after the update later this week when SE makes Heqet's Key Item drop from gold pyxides; occasionally Heqet can be overcamped.




I doubt KI from gold chest is going to make things any easier, since the drop rate is kinda random. I've helped some friends doing their Ukonvasara and I have to say farming KI from gold chest is most inefficient way ever, especially if you're aiming for specific KI.
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Gold chest farming sucks in the Visions zones (I think that is the first expansion) because it could drop all 2343234523 KIs for the zone, it is less sucky on the Scars zones because it used to be only 4 KIs (now 6). This should improve the T2 Empyrean stage quite a bit. Would still prefer it was a popped NM change though.
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Afania wrote:
chewzer wrote:
I currently have a LS mate who's nearly completed his level 90 Masamune (same trials as Armageddon), and he's done all of it dualboxing WAR and WHM without any help whatsoever. Granted, he's a very nicely geared WAR, but I believe anybody could do it with the right Atmas. The only trial that's given him even the slightest resistance is Isgebind (the last trial), and that's only the couple of times that Isgebind made a few cheap shots.

Armageddon will be even easier to duo/dualbox/lowman after the update later this week when SE makes Heqet's Key Item drop from gold pyxides; occasionally Heqet can be overcamped.
I doubt KI from gold chest is going to make things any easier, since the drop rate is kinda random. I've helped some friends doing their Ukonvasara and I have to say farming KI from gold chest is most inefficient way ever, especially if you're aiming for specific KI.
All very true, but you'll be farming time extensions between Heqet pops anyways and just might get lucky a few times. Smiley: tongue
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