To the end of the world (Obtaining Armageddon)Follow

So i figured as COR's with sh*t choices for Ammo and always in the backthough of SE when it comes to DPS we should all work together to compile info on how to get through the exceedingly difficult task of getting an Armageddon. I'll post my Progress thus far and any helpful hints i found useful along the way.

Trial 891: Desmodont x3
Easy enough trial shoot the 2 bats in the room and go afk for 14~16mins.

Trial 892: Moo Ouzi the Swiftblade x3
Had already camped this earlier in my career working on a low level DRK Gsword i didn't wanna buy. I recommend if you want Fuma Kyahan(rare/ex one) or O-kote you can go kill all the PH mobs in between killing Moo Ouzi's PH's and still get back b4 Moo Ouzi's repop.

Trial 893: Ni'Zho Bladebender x3
I found a lack of info on wiki for this loser who was seemingly added late in XI's life. Put widescan on and hit the bottom road in Pashhow. WS helped me find his PH's in no time. Semi painful NM due to lack of information

Trial 894: Bugbear Strongman x4
Holy sh*t i hate this NM. Camped for 5hrs with no pop. Though both times he did pop about 1-2 PH's later another popped making me only really have 3 camping sessions with him.

Trial 895: La Velue x4
Stand in the middle of the 2 squares (G8 and H8) theres a wall thing there... and Widescan with /RNG. 10th Smilodon down is the PH. Unfortunately as /RNG i wasn't able to solo this NM... every time he popped i had to follow him and wait for someone, be it a random person or an LS mate to help me kill it. Have some friends that are gonna be around on call...

Trial 896: Hovering Hotpot x4
Took me longer as COR to kill the skeletons that were the PH's for this NM than the NM itself... Skeleton PH's suck. On a special not about the PH's the PH is the only skeleton of the 3 that will change from major to mage. if you can figure out which one that is you can save yourself a lot of time and energy killing them.

Trial 897: Yacumama x6
Finally... The VNM trials are about 10000 times easier than the previous trials if only because you can pop them and don't have to wait for them to pop... im gonna redirect you guys to a page an LS mate showed me with how to kill Yacumama and Feuerunke (have fun with QD) http://kanican.livejournal.com/tag/rdm!#asset-kanican-47080

Trial 898: Feuerunke x6
This NM i had to /THF for (for flee) and use a pair of powder boots to get him to the camp mentioned at http://kanican.livejournal.com/45706.html#cutid1 . You could have 2 pair of powder boots but this NM moves fast and you may take unwanted hits from having to use a 2nd pair... Also he will depop on pull so you gotta semi stay close (between 30~40') i found works best.

Trial 1758: Tammuz x8
The most recent trial I've completed to date on COR... I got a NIN both times to tank this NM. went as /whm to stona the guy. teleport around to each zone so you can get 3x kills at once.

Trial 1759: Carabosse's Gems x50
I saw my friend trio Carabosse with teh setup WHM RDM MNK. I assume WHM and RDM has Minikin for 10mp/tick refresh. He had Ebon Hoof and RR for damage and ability to survive Tornado2/Aero5 if he was muted.

UPDATE: 2/1/2011

Now im 10/50 Carabosse gems so i feel like i have something more constructive to Post on this NM.
Carabosse has 2 stages, a Pre-benediction one, and a Post-benediction one.
Pre-Benediction Carabosse will only use Arrow based attacks and Aeroga 2. It's unknown what causes it to use Benediction at this time as i've seen it use it as high as 89% on a Slow kill, and as close as 10% on a really fast kill. Could be timed based. It is possible if you find red !! to trigger red just before benediction and at a low enough hp that you can kill it before it ever moves to the next stage, making the fight a lot easier.
Post-Benediction Carabosse becomes much tougher and its AI becomes much more Advanced. In Post mode it is now to bound to behave as its current job its on. It changes jobs based on which TP move its used.
Spring Breeze RDM mode, she will buff herself, and occ cast AoE ailments (paralyga etc). This mode is really easy to deal with. as long as your healers dont get Petrified from Breakga, i prefer this mode to the others really. This move also is AoE sleep + 1/2 TP loss.

Summer Breeze WAR mode, If your a single healer trying to heal multiple DD's this mode is hell flat out. It tends to start using Cyclonic Turmiol/Torrent alot. Both have knock back. One is paralyze and the other is full dispel. Once it changes out of this mode make sure to get shell back on your melees. This TP move erases Debuffs, if there are no debuffs, it will get regain so either make sure you have some stupid debuff on it at all times like dia, or be ready to dispel regain.

Autumn Breeze WHM mode. she spams cure V and Cure VI on herself all the time. This mode is by far the best for a larger group. The worst for a duo. If your DPS doesnt exceed her WHM mode curing you will not be able to knock her out of this mode. So make sure your tank has good DD atma. a MNK with RR VV and (HP atma) was easily able to out DD Cure V and VI. This TP move heals carabosse and gets rid of some debuffs. If your keeping her debuffed keep and eye out for what to recast on her. If there are no debuffs she gains regen, dispel appropriately

Winter Breeze BLM mode. This mode is the one that you have to watch out for. She will start casting spells that can effectively 1 shot your tank even with shell up. I personally have been hit with aero 5 for 3200 damage. as long as your tank has shadows or shell 5 you should be pretty good for this part. Be sure to top off your tanks health so that he is alot less likely to get 1 shotted. Also Winter Breeze is a AoE Stun with a single buff dispel. So check shell when she enters this mode.

Compared to the next Bossish NM this guy is pretty technical.If you have a larger group and you get stuck with a Post-Benediction Carabosse, i would recomend keeping DD's offa it during WAR mode. and telling them to run from AoE spells in BLM mode. RDM and WHM modes are easy enough to just DPS through, just make sure they understand if they get hit with AoE silence or paralyze the tanks are 1st priority.

Trial 2234: Cirein-Croin's Lanterns x50
This NM i know moves slowly... BLMs should be able to knock its teeth out... I think the yellow !!'s that effect drop rate are triggered via magic which is even more down BLM's alley.

UPDATE: 2/1/2011

I've fought this NM 2-3 times so far for the static i was building but failed to get up and running and hes really REALLY easy with BLMs. 1 BLM could solo him with enough time, the more you add the faster he'd die. Hell if you had enough cards you could solo him on COR, but its gonna take awhile hes got alot of HP. as for straight tanking him... I don't know and i wouldn't try it. His TP moves seen a little tough to be Straight tanking through...
RDMs and SCHs could probably take him down just as easily just with a bit longer fighting time.

UPDATE: 2/28/2011

Now that I'm actually working on this trial this NM is a breeze compared to Carabosse. The toughest thing to deal with is getting Heqet claim over other groups camping him, or dealing with a few charmed players if you chose to melee him.
Melee'ing him isnt such a bad option. we had 2 MNK/WAR's with Gnarled Horn and Counterstance tanking him last night and we didnt run into any real issues at all. We also had 2 WHMs, 1 for each mnk so that helped. I still think nuke kiting would be faster than meleeing him down but when my group heads out to fight them we covert our leech/exp group over to a Fish killing group about 2 hours in. so we generally have 0-1 BLM's.

Trial 2264: Isgebind's Heart x75
No info as of yet on this NM even on Wiki... Nor the items existence...

Hope this helps, Ill be posting more when i have time...

UPDATE: 4/7/2011

My LS has gone on an empy weapon building binge so we are working on as many 85's as we can and kinda forgot about 90's for now. There are a few ways i've seen to kill the dragon NM's.

"Brew Holding"
1. get 5-6 friends or a whole LS to get pops (from Kur / gold chest)
2. get a brew
3. Have friends pop him and drag him to the closest NPC (Martello, NPC, or Conflux) and pop your brew.
4. WS NM to death
5. as soon as its dead lot the items you want (hearts for this situation)
6. click on the NPC but dont cycle through the text. (this preserves your brew effect)
7. have another pop dragged to you.
8. repeat

using this process depending on the amount of time it takes you to brew you can get quite a few pops out of the way quickly. Be sure to keep time on how long your not stuck on that NPC. You've only got 3 mins on Brew buff b4 it falls off.

Is this legit? will GM's care? I dunno. But it works.

"Spike Flail"
Used to be one of the most feared moves in all of FFXI. Getting hit by spike flail would end a dragon fight right then and there. However now its exploited. Spike Flail eats up 2 shadows. The dragon will also only use spike flail if the person behind them has hate. therefore as long as everyone has /nin or nin main and has shadows up at all times, the NM can be taken down alot easier. I haven't seen this used on Isgebind yet but i've seen it used on Dragua and Azdaja to great success.

This is alot more legit i suppose than brew holding... So i dunno 2 strat's i've seen.

Edited, Feb 28th 2011 3:41pm by Tarqs

Edited, Apr 7th 2011 2:42pm by Tarqs

Any DD and a WHm can do carabosse shes pretty easy now.

The fish can be soloed by COR.

I have a question... when you guys farm pop items for Carabosse do you rely on Gold chests, NM kills or a little of both?
More to the ppl who get NM kills for key items... Do you land Red !! before you proceed to kill the NM or do you just kill it 50x and hope it drops a KI somewhere along the way?

Also i'm having a hard time building light as a MNK (RR and Ebon Hoof) and Mage... Killed Empyreal mobs (about 6) with magic and still didnt have capped Azure?

Then couldnt get enough pearl before we timed out. I was under the assumption that each Empyreal mob gave Light x10. When talking to a BLU he confirmed this, however when talking to another friend working on Carabosse kills he said that if your Lv90 you need to kill more Empyreal mobs to cap out azure?

So whos right?

As a MNK as well i have no Elemental WS's to build Amber light, my only other DD jobs is BST which also has no Elemental WS's, should i just build for time and skip Gold chests? whats your recommendations?

Edited, Dec 19th 2010 2:29am by Tarqs

I saw a group of nin, mnk, rdm, blm, smn burning thro cirein at 90, all obviously had relevant atma's and were straight tanking him down in 2mins, then popped/repeated. I guess the longest thing for them was actually farming the pop items.

I reckoned with around 35 cirein kills for the 50 lanterns, and getting heqet/cep inbetween pops, i reckon it was taking them 1.5hour-2hours to get 5 pop sets then burn cirein down (popping cep inbetween heqet kills). So maybe 10-14hours with the correct atma's and 4 friends willing to help you out for the day to get the lanterns? Obviously no point in doing it on a Fri/Sat/Sun.

I would have primal rend but im only on floor 81 on nyzul Isle. In addition to that i dont have the axe to get the damn WS, and no one wants to do anything that isnt abyssea these days...

As for cataclysm i hadnt really looked into it as MNK, my staff skill is only 234 atm so maybe ill work on skilling up?

maybe ill try Earth Crusher > Sunburst > Cataclysm then just kill the NM

Can someone provide me with ifno on the PH for Trial 893?

Wiki states it's the single Veteran Quadav on the lower path, in the discussion it says it's the Old Quadavs...

Can anyone confirm either way?

Finally got it to pop... it's just so slow at repoping apparently ;_;

1 More Hovering Hotpot to go!

Any tips for VNMs?

Saturday ill have stage 1 done. We did 12 caras tongiht in 3 hours. We have gotten pretty good at zerging her before her bene with 4 DD MNK THF WAR NIN.

Full setup is whm thf mnk war brd nin. We did about half of them without her benedictioning tonight.

You can solo yacumama on COR.

MNK/NIN > MNK/WAR for all these NMs. I dont understand why you went /war as provoke does nothing. 1 WHM can heal 4 DD on it with no issue. If your having hate issues its probably because you were taking to much damage. With Allure atma your WHM should just drop curaga 4 all day long and have no issues. I double boxed WHM/BLM and THF/NIN for over 50 fights being the only healer for 4-5 DD, and hate was never an issue.


As far as the Fish boss goes, anything can Tank it but I prefer /NIN for it as well since deathgnash drops your HP to 1 hit.

Which means what exactly? Carabosse has a high Pdt effect once she benes so its practically useless. Combine that with ability for aero 5 and tornado 2 to do over 2k damage and /nin is better.

For the fish your just asking to get hit with seismic tail for a large amount so once again its nit worth the trade off.

You can do 2-5k with out berserk and save your healer some breath. Also if your nit zerging it down before bene then your doing it wrong in general.

Zerging at 50% is really the best way and its pretty reliable as well. we did about 20 times once we got the idea down.

From what ive observed it seems to be the damage rate. We were able to get her to 50% reliably 90% of the time. Im sure theres a random factor that can trigger it as we had her bene at 90% or so as well.

Our setup for the most part was

WAR/SAM
NIN/WAR <Katana, gkatana, sword>
THF/NIN <Dagger>
WHM/BLM
MNK/NIN <club, staff>
BRD/WHM

Sometimes we had a BLU for a 7th member and sometimes we didnt have the BRD. What we basically did was let the NIN and MNK tank while everyone tried out weapon skills during her tp and spells. We generally only started with the MNK ahsted and by the time we had her at 50% we would proc and zerg. Once we found out which weapon it was we would hold tp until 50% so we can lay on the damage asap. Twice we had her bene at 1% on us.

If cara benes its gonna be a long fight regardless. In this particular case, Cara doesnt actually melee a hole lot so your not exactly countering sh*t. Learn about the mob first moron. Subbing nin is to protect against Aero 5 and Tornado 2 after cyclonic turmoil. Ive seen her do 3 cyclonic turmoils back to back followed by aero 5 and tornado. If you dont have shell 5 up your gonna get killed.

Quite this.

Since 2004 I never understood why someone would want to take 50% longer killing a mob because they spend all their melee time picking their nose.

Edited, Feb 24th 2011 3:07am by Raelix

Carabosse isn't that hard, if you have proper jobs, atma and gear. Yes mnk/war is better for damage, however. If you don't the atma a well placed Aero 5 and the mnk will die. I suggest for most players that /nin is the way to go. As for people bragging about taking out Carabosse without her 2hring. It doesn't matter if you have 12 or 6 people. She'll randomly 2hr. Lol.

I trioed Carabosse with a nin/war with WoE katana, myself on whm and a random thf. Friend got Great Sword and I got Gun. Took us about a month of casual play (a few hrs every few days) to get 1st stage. 80-85% of the time we got trigger on 1st pop. I suggest a nin/war over mnk because trigger speeds up the farming process. You'll be surprised how often pop items don't drop. Lol.

For people that want to low man this. I suggest shouting for people to offer the atma and h2h items. Lots of people wanted these items and we'd bring them with us.

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Not if taru. Tornado 2 with out buffs can land for 3k+.

I just finished Carabosse Gems stage today, we got x22 of the Gems in the space of 2 hours using a certain strat i think is pretty good.
This only really works if you have some very good DD or just have a lot of bodies to throw at her.

1. Pop Carabosse.
2. Whittle her down to 60-70%, if she has not Benediction'd look for the Red !! trigger.
3. Trigger red !! and go all out, Angon or Benthic Typhoon for more chance of a kill before it wears off.
4. ???
5. Profit

Because Abyssea is hard, right?

Well he would have had a better chance of seeing the strategy if the thread hadn't derailed into a WAR vs NIN sub job for MNK. As if it even matters. I guarantee you that a group with a MNK/WAR can kill Carabosse just as easily as a group with MNK/NIN, all other things being equal.

It's all a moot point. It really doesn't matter which way you go.

Most of my Gems were duo'ed MNK/WAR and WHM/RDM and we never proc'ed red to prevent Benediction. The Gems from the first kill were always still in the pool when the second Carabosse died. Keep it dispelled, keep Shell up; it's that simple.

People were dualboxing this at level 85. Don't over-complicate things.

I'll attempt to re-rail.

Just completed my level 90, and thought I might share some Isgebind information that you might find very helpful.

I brewed the vast majority of my Isgebinds. I could usually kill 7 pops and part of an 8th with a single brew. Yesterday however, my MNK friend wanted to try dualboxing it. MNK/WAR and WHM/SCH, and he took it down in about 8 minutes, backtanking it to force it to use only Spike Flail and Gregale Wind while keeping the WHM out of party to avoid paralyze aura. It works, kind of. Usually the WHM completely avoided the aura which helped tremendously, but sometimes it would affect him for a short period of time. He's a very well geared MNK, so your results may vary.

After he did a couple, we threw in some more friends (THF, NIN, another WHM, me on COR, and a SCH nuking worms for pops) and we were killing them so fast that there were almost always 3 or 4 hearts in pool. I got anxious at the end when we got a lucky batch of pops from gold chests, so I brewed my last 9 hearts.

Happy hunting!

Edited, Mar 6th 2011 5:01pm by Chewzer

I'll quote the tips I gave in another thread:I can't remember the exact damage on my Wildfires, but it's not as high as other mobs. Magic damage in general does a lot less to Isgebind. I think I have some screenshots I can look up if you want exact numbers.

For atmas I used Ultimate, Lone Wolf, and Smouldering Sky. For gear, equip pure MAB. AGI is usually much better than MAB for Wildfire, but the brew will cap your AGI anyways.

Then again, if you have enough people there to pop 8-9 of them at a time, you could just save the cruor and kill it outright. Brewing just saves a lot of time, and it's a lot of fun.

Edited, Mar 17th 2011 1:18pm by Chewzer

I wonder how would Atma of the burning Effigy would compare to Atma of the Lone Wolf. With Burning Effigy you get +Fire weaponskill dmg Major and full benefit of fireday/weather bonus.

I wouldn t call woe gun sh*tty... its still the second best gun behind empyrean, also cor is a very good just to get 1-5 rank in woe, giving you a chest every run even if theres mooches that sneak in behind your back. Also saying its easier to finish empy before woe is quite a statement seing i finished a caldbolg and woe gun before alabont even finished his giant fishes...