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#1 Aug 16 2009 at 7:12 PM Rating: Good
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Well i was gonna get a Koggelmander, but before i get it i wanna make sure theres no better options out there.

i have joytoy of course, and i cant afford m. kris.

so what else is out there?
#2 Aug 16 2009 at 7:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Change sub jobs. Problem solved.
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Change sub jobs. Problem solved.


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#4 Aug 16 2009 at 10:01 PM Rating: Good
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NazEmpura wrote:
Well i was gonna get a Koggelmander, but before i get it i wanna make sure theres no better options out there.

i have joytoy of course, and i cant afford m. kris.

so what else is out there?


Even if you could afford mkris, why would you sub it? Mkris/Joy is marginally better than Joy/Mkris
#5 Aug 17 2009 at 5:00 AM Rating: Default
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As /NIN you should be wielding a staff and grip because you are pulling and light or wind staff will make your job much easier.

That's in meripo of course.

/NIN is not a bad sub for some other tasks like Nyzul where having shadows and sneak/invisi go a long way. In that case, single wielding a Joytoy will be better TP gain than Joytoy combine with any other sword. Joy/M kris will be better than joy alone but slower than M kris alone. But the differences aren't worth an M kris price of you ask me.
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#6 Aug 17 2009 at 8:04 AM Rating: Good
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Legion Scutum for the marginal amount of Enmity-2 if you must have something in the offhand while using Joyeuse.
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#7 Aug 17 2009 at 8:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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#8 Aug 17 2009 at 10:42 AM Rating: Good
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Veggeto wrote:
Mkris/Joy is marginally better than Joy/Mkris


How do you figure?

Edit: I fail at quoting.

Edited, Aug 17th 2009 2:46pm by KaishenRamuh
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#9 Aug 17 2009 at 11:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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Unless you need /nin, you are much better going /war or /rng and using a single weapon.

Even when you have m.kris or joytoy.

If you are shooting for tp, firestaff. If you are swinging for tp, you are going to need a multi-hit weapon. And http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=17&mid=124973018134444471&num=10&page=1 shows that mkris > joytoy.

But either way, dont go /nin unless you *have* to.
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#10 Aug 17 2009 at 1:15 PM Rating: Decent
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I tend to use Corsairs Scimitar/joyeuse when messing around on /nin.
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#11 Aug 17 2009 at 3:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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Those very few occasions you get killshot, Takes more hits from Mkris than Joy to kill a monster

What takes 1 hit of joy could take 1-3 hits of mkris and 1 hit of joy to kill. You get more tp in these scenarios, which is the reason I said marginally, since you won't find yourself in this position often, but its still better.
#12 Aug 21 2009 at 11:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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If for whatever reason you reallllly need to go COR/NIN with a multihit weapon and melee, the best thing to put in your sub slot is a Genin Aspis. Yes, it's uncommon.

/NIN to me pretty much means pulling only, so I don't usually care what's in my offhand. I usually equip my Auster's or Light staff when I pull on /NIN.

And BTW, COR/DNC to me is far more effective in Nyzul than /NIN. Instant cast Sneak+Invisible with Spectral Jig (free too) is better than Tonko/Monomi. You just need to be slightly more careful with taking AoE, but the extra cures and status removal from Waltzes are really helpful. Most importantly, stacking Box Step on those stronger mobs (NMs, bosses, tough families) is a life saver. I don't bother coming as anything but COR/DNC any more to Nyzul.
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#13 Aug 21 2009 at 11:32 AM Rating: Default
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Anza wrote:
And BTW, COR/DNC to me is far more effective in Nyzul than /NIN. Instant cast Sneak+Invisible with Spectral Jig (free too) is better than Tonko/Monomi. You just need to be slightly more careful with taking AoE, but the extra cures and status removal from Waltzes are really helpful. Most importantly, stacking Box Step on those stronger mobs (NMs, bosses, tough families) is a life saver. I don't bother coming as anything but COR/DNC any more to Nyzul.


My ooooooooooooonly problem (and it's big enough in my mind that it keeps me from using /DNC in Nyzul altogether) is that I don't have room for a spectral jig macro on my /DNC set, and I HATE having to go into the menu to use it. Petty, I know, but it's how I am.
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#14 Aug 21 2009 at 2:34 PM Rating: Good
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Seriously though, and it's not my testing and I could be inaccurate, but I'm pretty sure anything without an extremely low delay actually slows the Joyeuse down to a point where you're better off using nothing at all in the off-hand slot. Nin is not a DD subjob, and you should be using it only as a crutch to your gimpness by offering to pull in parties until you have a real 'Dd-only' worthy subjob. :)
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#15 Aug 25 2009 at 10:33 AM Rating: Good
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DWing will actually hurt your TP gain. So don't bother with another weapon in your sub slot. If you want to use anything get a shield of some sorts. I'd kill for that /NIN latnet one.

Edited, Aug 25th 2009 1:36pm by Corrderio
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