Slug Shot and Detonator legs?Follow

Dusk for slug, Commodore for Detonator.

Enkidu's for both the vast majority of the time. 4 STR and the Store TP needed to turn 13 Joyeuse hits into 12.

As far as store TP is concerned, it's getting more situational. I went from SH+1 in my melee set to the Cobra body and it completely messed up the old benefits/costs of my other store TP gear. STP is only valuable if it shaves off a hit. And with the DA of joy, even if it saves a hit it only really benefits you 1/2 of the time since DA on the last hit to 100 nullifies the bonus.

Going from dusk to enkidus is a bonus of +4 Str and +5 STP for a loss of 10 racc. Going from behemoth +1 to rajas is a bonus of +5 Str and +5 STP for a loss of 11 racc. Which is better for ws? Guess its a wash. Depending if you have skadi legs/brutal ear/cobra body you may or may not benefit from adding STP in your WS macros.

Unfortunately the only way I have found to 'optimize' is to break out the calculator and try different gearsets to see if a hit (or two) is shaved off of joy/slug combo ;/

I don't care what SE says, this doesn't exist.

Cobra Harness also has added effect: doesn't look like ass, so there you go. Win-win.

Where do Pahluwan Seraweels fit into this?

Pahl - STR+3 R.Acc+4
Commodore - STR+3 AGI+3
Dusk - R.Acc+10

Not having Dusk, I've always favored Pahl for Slug, Commodore for Det. Am I wrong?

Anza you got that headpiece for PUP right, but with the wsacc would qualify for cor as well or no? I forget what you did with it, think you did make it for WSs. I wonder sometimes when I look at my add on gear, how I can be so biased for PUP and never anything else I play as it would help them more...



Personally I WS in Denali legs (I really can not carry pln. legs with me, just too many things, poor excuse but true) to slip more Racc (I am a PCC man) in there for better allowance to use rajas with my warwolf belt.

When I do think of my WS build, I do make it around birds/mamool sadly. Just seems the easiet to do when thinking "what is my balance between damage and hitting the bird 95% of the time going to be". If I fight something harder to hit than a bird/mamool ws build with squid sushi will allow me like a god or something, then I will swap in more Racc gear like behemoths ring or I just use detonator, that is what it is there for. I never notice much issue until my food comes off, I rely on it a and my merits a bit much,.

Edited, Aug 6th 2009 3:52am by BelenosSwiftWater

I just bought dusk pants last night.

While i agree everything has its place im looking to be able to eat meat at birds or at leasr pot au feu.

Slug setup:
Salade: ws acc and racc
Mirke body: QD -5, ratt. Or pah body
Barbrossa gloves
Warwolf belt
Ameme +1
Dusk legs
Af feet ( is there anything better besides +1)
Behemoth ring x2
Drone earrings
Specs
Martial



Im gonna work on getting triumph earrings next. My slugs are hitting birds with attack roll and no food for about 1.2-1,4.

OK, let's talk about earrings.

I don't really understand the desire for Triumph on COR. Is 2 STR at a cost of ~1mil on my server really THAT much better than 3 AGI for about 15k? I'm aware that even though Slug/Det only have AGI modifiers, on a 1:1 basis STR still theoretically results in more damage until you cap fSTR2 (which I honestly have a general but still somewhat vague grasp of). I'm also aware that RNG does get more use out of STR for WS because Sidewinder actually DOES have a STR and AGI modifer.

But... can anyone show me some math/parses that show 2STR Triumph being worth it over a 3AGI Drone? If it comes down to only a couple points of damage per WS in favor of Triumph, I'm putting that in the "not really the best investment for my gil until I completely run out of things to buy" category.

Also... I tend to WS in my Hollow (for the 3 R.Acc). Anyone have strong opinions on that? I suppose I could switch to 2x Drones. Or maybe Hollow/Drone for Slug, Drone x2 for Det.

Edited, Aug 6th 2009 4:48pm by Anza

+2 STR = +1 base damage on WS

+3 AGI = 75% chance of +1 base damage on WS; 25% chance of doing nothing (depends on your total AGI, if it is divisible by 4 then you are getting the damage)

if you have 100 total AGI, you get:

100 * .3 *.83 = 25 base damage

go to 103 AGI and you still get 25 base damage from weapon skill modifiers, add 4 to get 104 AGI and you get 26 base damage.

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What does +1 base damage do? We'll look at slug.

WS damage = Base damage * fTP * pDIF

raising base damage by 1:

1 * 5 (fTP) * 1.2 (random pDIF value that a COR would be at on colibri with Chaos roll)

= +6 damage

And since I said birds, give it the piercing bonus

= 7.5 damage

So, a triumph earring is buying you the piece of mind that you will increase your WS damage by about 7.5 points 100% of the time vs 75% of the time with drone. Maybe a touch more since you get +1 ranged attack also, but then you have to consider you are also getting +1 or 2 RACC from drone so, meh.

Add something like Dia II to it and that amount goes up (maybe to about +12 damage).

I WS with a Drone earring personally. I use hollow for slug for the ACC and bushinomimi for Det since it is free STR and I don't need the ACC.

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Re: fSTR2 cap

fSTR2 is a function of your strength vs a target's vitality. Every point of fSTR adds 1 base damage to your weapon.

There is a cap on how much damage you can add via this method.

That cap is (weapon rank + 8) x 2

Weapon rank is = weapon damage/9

So for martial gun, weapon rank = 4

So fSTR2 cap = (4 + 8)*2 = 24

So if you cap fSTR2 you will add 24 points of base damage to your gun.

Since fSTR2 = (STR - targetVIT + 4)/2

and colibri have 67 vit, fSTR2 cap is when your STR = 111

When your STR hits 111, every point of strength after that only adds a little ranged attack.

This value is higher for mamool, and much, much higher for anything above merits.

It is possible to cap Acc on birds, but your talking +1 everything and zero haste. The build would cost an insane amount of Gil. Now there is also the augment stuff where you could get more acc on stuff.