Fane HexagunFollow

I know that we've been treated really well by SE when it comes to updates and buffs, but this is a huge turd.

Honestly, unless the augments are R.atk+20 DMG+5~10, this won't be sought after.


So basically, we get a free scorpion harness+0.5 and a fixed placebo piece of gear. My initial request still stands, new guns plz SE! (just stop with the lolhexaguns)

My thoughts? Martial Gun or gtfo!

Even if they had an augment for say, QD damage+, the damage rating is so terrible. OH WAIT MAYBE IT'LL BE CURE POTENCY +10%!!1

So true. Apart from the Darksteel Hexagun +1, I can't recall a hexagun that made any positive waves.

Does any other job class go through this. Update after update of completely fail job specific weapons? Admittedly the mages are all stuck using elemental staves whcih haven't been update in centuries, but I've noticed some nice swords come through the years for RDM. Some nice clubs for WHM and even some nice scythes for BLM.

It's laughably depressing that COR has no endgame quality hexagun. The sine qua non of our class..../em shakes head in disgust

Martial is only strong for jobs with terrible Acc. When it came out, RNG didn't need the RACC at the level this gun becomes available and no other job had Slugshot. So these guns rotted in the AH until COR was released and with our sh*tty B skill and lack of RACC traits, we were obliged to use this gun. But it isn't powerful. Hellfire is powerful. Culverin is powerful. This gun is accurate and that's it.

But since it was there already and SE knew it was there, why couldn't they have designed the hexaguns or the COR job to not require the martial gun to function properly.

The QD formulation should never have been based on gun + bullet damage. COR should have been given some base ACC traits. Our endgame bullet shouldn't cost 20k gil a stack.

If I were to design COR from the ground up, we would only be allowed the hexagun line. It would add AGI which would formulate into the QD damage equation as well as accuracy. We would get two ACC traits and we would have endgame bullets that capped out at 10k a stack (but could be crafted for 5k a stack).
We'd get Snapshot natively. WE'd have our own unique hexagun WS's and no slugshot. But something decently powerful to keep up with the dancing edge dancers and thieves out there (i.e 1k with decent gear).

No Joyeuse or M KRis COR's. We'd be ranged attackers with a decent gun and bullets but nothing that would eclipse RNG. We could do decent DoT, average WS's, good QD's. We'd still be expensive and not everyone would play this job, but we'd at least use our hexaguns effectively.

Or they could just give us hexaguns with MAB +20 and I'd use them pretty frequently in many endgame events.

The whole line of job weapons are pretty pathetic, unless you can put some pretty damn sweet things on them, they are worthless. You can't even pick it either...really lame....you can literally get 12+damage and RNGACC+10 and it still wouldn't be an upgrade, just a sidegrade to martials....

So in other words:

- We'd have ammo that cost half as much, but we'd go through 7-8x more of it (melee for TP + 1 bullet on WS vs. 6-7 hit shooting build + 1 bullet for WS)
- our WS would do far less damage (about 50-66% of what Slug does now)
- we'd be able to shoot a lot faster

I have some great news for you, then!

1) Equip existing hexaguns.
2) Use LV22 brass bullets (or Iron Bullets if you're feeling saucy)
3) Shoot for all of your TP using your extremely fast hexagun (which fires as fast as a fully-Snapshotted RNG would shoot a normal gun)
4) Use Detonator (or maybe Slug if you are eating sushi) for ~1k WS

Congratulations! All your goals have been met.

I don't think you play mage jobs, because those "nice" clubs and scythes and swords and staffs are about as awesome as the hexaguns.

But yes, SMN/WHM/BRD in particular get this on armors while SE thinks making every armor +MAB for them is brilliant. They might as well give COR cure potency with such minds.

If every CORsair was equal I wouldn't care. A slug with average gear does about 1k. It only reaches 2.5k with top gear and buffs and debuffs. If we were given a WS with good accuracy, averaged 1k with decent gear, there's no way that number couldn't be pushed close to 2k with STR and AGI mods.

If it were designed that way from the beginning all of you wouldn't know better and likely wouldn't care. We all raised the job like this. It wasn't until after 70 that we could melee for TP. From 22-70, every COR shot for TP with pricier bullets than I'm suggesting. I loved those days. My fav levels were from 40-65.

But that's just my opinion of COR. I'm sure many of you like being the 1 trick slugshot pony with a multihit weapon. I love ranged attacking and preferred the stay back and shoot style of early COR levels.

Until haste affects RNG Attacks, shooting for DOT is worthless, its pretty close to worthless for even rangers.

2 Marches + Haste + Haste Gear = Attacking at least twice as fast, gaining same TP

I hope one day they will adjust haste to give some change to RNG ATT delay.

The problem here is that we're looking at this gun as a Ohh uber dmg gun.

We cant really think of it like that. Martial wins...its going to take a lot for se to make something to beat that. Hell even the mythic isnt that uber.

But my hunch is.

The other fey weapons are staves and clubs. Whose to say that they are for dmg only.

Show me a fay hexagun with matk+5 on it, and I may have to get one. Just think about that. The augments could be macc, and such. That kinda would change everything and fill a much needed void.

When I first saw a gun for COR I got excited but then I saw the DMG. I've learned to chain pull with a 600 delay gun so I don't even use Hexaguns for pulling anymore which means this gun just seems like utter crap :(



COR/RDM w/ AF, Moldy, Uggy, Novio, Denali:
Corsair's+1: 2 * (42 + 66 + 10)* 1.38 * 1.15 * 1 = 374
Fey w/ MAB+19: 2 * (28 + 66 + 10)* 1.57 * 1.15 * 1 = 375
Fey w/ DMG+4 and MAB+13: 2 * (32 + 66 + 10)* 1.51 * 1.15 * 1 = 375

So it would either need MAB +21 or DMG +4 and MAB +15, the higher the DMG+ the lower the MAB would need to be to match the 2nd best QD damage gun in the game (assuming Death Penalty works like AF). It would be awesome if the buffs were that high but I doubt SE would give possible augments that strong :/

Edit: Thought of a combination that could be a little more likely, if they gave DMG+, Enhances "Quick Draw" X, MAB+Y. But I won't get my hopes up for that much good stuff on a 1 item.

Edited, Jul 21st 2009 5:46pm by Zagen

Been main job corsair literally since the job was released, so here's my take.

Joytoy melee ftw of course but in some fights melee either isn't an option or isn't the wisest option. Thus /ra spam in needed unless you'd rather go on a different job to save some gil. There are already screen shots of other items getting +4~5 base dmg so no reason to rule that out on this, also + MAB is a possibility.

Also no one on the page (unless I missed it) mentioned leaden salute, which doesn't got by base dmg at all, and massive MAB/M.acc mods would be great for that. Certain situations make leaden salute the best option. In nyzul/salvage leaden salute can make slug shot look like sh*t on various physically resistant mobs.

Another thought I didn't notice was adding an edge to the debuff augmenting side of quickdraw. If they add "quickdraw affect +1~5" or something, we could be looking at adding up to 15% paralyze proc rate as well as +15% additional slow effect which gives COR more EG utility. Chaos roll puts double minuet to shame but we got nothing on a BRD's 50% slow.

ANOTHER possibility is -QD delay. We already have an ACP body option and merits bringing us to a current low of 45 second "recast." Take off another 5, or even more, and a corsair could reduce the timer to a low of 30 seconds. Even if it didn't do as much damage in the long run as Corsair's gun +1, a 30 second delay on light shot, or Ice/Earth shot used purely for the added para/slow is quite a useful tool.

And, dare I say it... What if this gun could get phantom roll +1? Not asking for a huuuge boost but hey, 1 more tick of refresh on evokers, and maybe 1-5% more attack on chaos and this Corsair is a happy pirate

Someone got a gun with the following:

Delay: -8% AGI+5
Marksmanship Skill +6

Posted at BG
http://www.bluegartrls.com/forum/78641-watchful-pixie-fight-8.html

They still need to add DMG+8~11 to make it a comparable choice vs martial gun. Even with marksmanship skill+ it doesn't make up for the low base damage. I would have loved to see that delay-8% as a dmg+8. Then I would actually consider going for it to use.


It appears out best bet is to throw our luck at augmenting the martial gun itself. Scary thought I know, but even AGI+1 is an improvement.

Can't believe someone would mod a Hagun. One STR-2 mod and its trashed.

Same thing with Martial Gun. An AGI -2 wind elemental resistance +6 totally throws 300k out the door. With my luck that's just what would happen.

I ended up going ahead and augmenting my martial gun last night. I think its about a wash, I would have liked better stats, but its not entirely horrible (I could have gotten -str or something worse). I ended up with

+1 str, +1 int, -1 agi and -1 dex

In general I'm happy to trade 1 agi for 1 str during my slug build, but losing 1 dex brings me down 1 acc in my regular tp build. Could have been worse, but not that exciting. This was on the doll in sky. I went as pld with a blu and a whm. The fight lasted about 30 seconds. I forgot to record the moon phase, but it was on firesday. I'm going to try 2 or 3 more times to see if I can get some +str without -agi or -dex. Everything else I want for cor is rare/ex, gil seems to have less and less use lately.

Its a waste since a non-augmented Martial is better than an AGI -2 Martial. People spend millions of gil for slight stat enhancements hiding behind the "its the best" excuse. AGI is important for more than QD. It's a modifier of Slugshot. It contributes to RACC. Losing some AGI with no good in return is pointless and not worth anyone's time.



Imagine if this didn't have the STR augment. As is its a so-so upgrade. STR is worth more than AGI and DEX but its "meh" overall. I still think alot of this augment stuff fails do to the negative augment effects.

I'm not expecting SE to give us great stat boosts with this system, but to ruin perfectly good items with negative status effects is another example of their annoying line of thinking.

I'm sure the guys that got the Hagun STR -2 aren't posting their pictures because they don't want to be laughed at.

SE needs to give COR dual hexaguns.

Martial Gun is the ENM "When Hell Freezes Over" in Bearclaw Pinnacle. It doesnt look too friendly of an ENM. The price of this gun on Siren has more than doubled recently.





Edited, Jul 24th 2009 4:38pm by Locrotien

I know its off topic, but I just tried the ENM for martial gun with 2 blm friends on Monday earlier this week. Two Tier IV nukes takes them to <10% hp, which leaves the snolls with somewhere between 1800 and 2200 HP. I had damage filtered, but yeah. We got lucky and 1 snoll per wave spawned. We might need a 4th person to help incase we get larger waves, maybe just a RDM/blm to add a 3rd ES sleepga to the group. Since they are susceptable to gravity and bind, waves with 2 snoll need no sleep.

On the subject of this gun...I would have interest in it if like; if the whole COR shooting system was different. If we had cheaper ammo and could afford to fire it faster or perhaps if hexaguns had a chance of occasionally firing twice(for free), then this would be interesting. Since we are pidgeonholed into the same WS as RNG, we tend to use the same gear as RNG would, but with less r.acc it is clear the martial gun is king for anything we would want to deal damage to with ranged WS. And, as stated earlier in the thread...since the MAB needed to beat out corsairs/martial/coffinmaker in QD damage is way out of acceptable ranges, I doubt this will help us in that area either.

Actually, I would be interested in this if corsair bullets ever drop to a price cheaper than steels. Since there are 16 pouches up on the AH right now from campaign union spoils, perhaps the price will go down as people realize 60k/pouch is just stupid.

While I agree COR bullets for 60k a hit is not worth it, the bullets themselves just arent worth it. Their are very few instances in this game where you would actually need the +25racc on those bullets. When you do need that racc you need to think to yourself, why are you even shooting as your damage will be horrible.

Cor bullets should be changed to a rare/ex ammo similiar to what ranger has. QD uses no bullets so having a bullet especially for Quickdraw would be nice. There just is no practical application I can see were the benefit fo all the acc will overcome the damage lose from not useing steel.

These bullets become even mroe of a joke since we now have access to the Salade which we can augment with 25acc (15ws 10racc).

The only thing I would like to see, maybe the math kids could do it, is if you use Cor bullets and ate meat, compared to sushi and steel, looking at ws's onry.

The only situations I can see them improving on is QD situations and pulling situations.

For the former, it would require too much MAB to be practical. SE would be worried that it would spawn a bunch of Nuking COR/SCH's

For the latter, it could be done with some AGI, weapon delay -%, snapshot, and maybe a recycle trait.

I'd toss my peacemake for a hexagun that pulls well.

T2 nukes ftw?...

Did this last night and didn't get a single +DMG augment. Doubt it will ever beat martial or corsair's.

Better to remove haste.

Haste is what also makes BLMs obsolete in damage/time, so to fix the game it wouldn't only need to change ranged attack delay, it would need to conserve MP or double-nuke.

It is also the reason SMN DD is laughable. 1 min recast? Yea, that is balanced for a 0 haste person, but one with 50% haste is going to do so much damage SMN might as well main heal.