Pet RollsFollow

Samurai Roll topic got off on what I find to be an interesting tangent on pet rolls (since PUP and COR are my two mains). So, I'll break that discussion into its own topic. Discuss pet roll stuff here!



Speaking as a PUP... Puppet Roll is honestly rarely as useful to me as a melee DD roll (generally Hunter's > Chaos is my preference as a PUP, but either one is great). The reason is that automatons have a lot of attachments to make up for acc penalties (including Target Marker, which removes at least some portion of level correction from the accuracy calculation - making pet accuracy very good on T-IT mobs). Those attachments can also be enhanced by using more thunder maneuvers. Essentially, I as the master need DD buffs more than my pet needs Acc buffs.

On the other hand, BST/PUP rolls win out when there are:
(1) more pets than players doing damage (NOT more pet jobs than non-pet jobs), AND;
(2) some of those pets are BST pets (or possibly physical attacking avatars)

An example would be if you on COR go out with a BST or two and they're fighting in the traditional solo/duo BST method of mostly standing back while their pet fights (as happened to me recently in a COR BST BST trio farming subligar in the Aqueducts). Of course, SMN avatars can also benefit from physical acc/atk at times, but BST getting use out of it is generally more common. Having a PUP in the party to boost the BST or SMN pets' accuracy is helpful, but Puppet Roll is actually probably helping the automaton less than it's helping any other meleeing pets that happen to be in the party.

So yeah, for me on PUP with a melee/ranged automaton, even with the job enhancement from PUP being in the party, I'd get better use out of:
(1) BST roll > PUP roll, and
(2) A melee roll > PUP roll (assuming I as the master am also punching stuff, and not some situational thing like sending a DD automaton after a kited mob while the master stands back).

For PUP, the usefulness of BST roll versus DD roll is a closer discussion that I really don't know how to answer (looking solely at the benefit to the PUP+automaton, assuming both are meleeing). I'd decide based on the other jobs in the party. If you happen to end up in the 0.0000001% chance party with a COR and only PUP DDs with meleeing puppets... well, I'd roll Hunter's (or possibly Chaos if low evasion mobs) and Beast, but I can't fault anyone for pulling out a rare legitimate opportunity to use PUP/BST rolls.

The other thing that rarely comes into play on PUP but can be helpful is when the PUP is using a mage puppet. Drachen roll is nice to enhance those pet nukes. Every now and then I'll find myself doing something like Limbus and we'll have a couple parties, each with a COR and maybe mine only has like 3-4 people in it. I generally nuke with my automaton in Limbus, so my COR friend might give me Drachen to enhance my puppet's nuking ability. I love it, but like I said - very situational.

And one final comment - like I've always thought, they really should have switched the jobs associated with Drachen/Puppet rolls. Automaton can nuke quite well, so you could associate pet MAB/M.Acc with PUP much easier than you can with DRG.


TL;DR version:

PUP likes: BST or DRG roll (depending on puppet type) + a melee DD roll

BST likes: BST + PUP rolls (but depending on how much melee damage the BST themselves is contributing, they may prefer dropping PUP roll for a melee DD roll)

I have raped a lot of sky with a couple smns and my cor rolling with pet buffs. Its some great fun, and most all of sky will really take a quick beating. RD, 2hr, and the 3 buffs to compliment different attacks/mobs really makes the setup a powerhouse.

I have done some bst parties for fun, but has of yet to party with the pups.

If SE at least didn't gimp subbed rolls, pet jobs could go /COR and throw in the PUP or BST roll to enhance all pet jobs in the party, without losing that much on every other melee in the party.

I still don't see how getting some 10% attack bonus on a pet is so overpowered you can't have it, but getting 15% attack bonus on master with berserk is perfectly fine.

The game truly only favors selfish players who sub jobs that only benefit themselves. Don't try and sub a support job, because you only get penalties for trying to help the party.

I keep meaning to drag COR/BST up to sky or something see how it performs up there - strikes me it could work fairly well, just haven't had the time to set up macros or gear sets to do it. Main issue I could see with COR buffing a pet party would be hate - it's easy enough to grab a spot of hate hitting an incoming puller with a roll when the mob's coming in - when working with all-pet setups the hate can get pretty flakey anyway, and repeatedly hitting 6 people with a buff is liable to get you chomped over time.