Reminder to 75 COR poseters re: dd corFollow

Common =/= correct. COR DD is both practical and useful in the vast majority of endgame events. My COR DDs for Einherjar, sea, limbus, sky trigs, Nyzul Isle, etc. Sky gods is the only event my shell does where I don't, but I'm usually on WAR for those ayway.



They should. Leveling NIN WAR RNG DNC is not hard, doesn't cost much, and doesn't even take very long with level sync and fields of valor now. Not having all of those subs at 37 is pure, sheer, utter laziness.

Edit: I suck at typing.

Edited, Jul 6th 2009 3:51pm by KaishenRamuh

There are some jobs you shouldn't ever level as a 1st job.

Pretty much like SMN (fenrir) or PUP (expensives attachements). COR shouldn't be used as 1st job to 75 because of the sheer cost, it was the case for NIN or RNG too but the prices seriously fell and made it viable.

Would you accept a BRD who doesn't got ballad2 or the last minuets because "they are too expensives"? Hint : the answer is no.

With fields of Valor in place it took me only a day and a half to get a job from 1-37 ... it's ridiculously easy!

/whm
/rdm
/war

I did these 3 in about 2 weeks on and off. Playing for maybe a few hours a night. It's an expensive job to play in the most effective way possible. It's up to the individual if they want to give rolls and do "nothing", or give rolls and contribute the ~15% party damage (an average cor should be able to acheive this).

I wouldn't call myself a casual player, yet I'm not as hardcore as most. I still manage to farm enough gil and obtain good quality gear through events (Sky, Sea, Limbus +1's, Einherjar). The only thing I don't have time for is Skadi which I doubt I'll ever attain.

Limbus - easy and not time consuming to +1 your AF

Sky - cmon, it takes 1-2 days a week to get a full kirin pop set if you have a good group, C.legs and C.hands are invaluable.

Sea - Granted access takes a long time to get, but you can solo the Grah chips AND solo the NM for the fortitude torque! Not to mention the Obi's for QD and the gorgets for WS acc and atk.

Einherjar - They've made it so even if you lose you get ampules for the belt! Another short event that takes an hour or 2 each time you try (ampules guaranteed if you kill even just 1 wave).

Dynamis - This one actually does kinda suck, but with the increased drop rates in the northlands, it's not that bad. I got the hat and the coat in about 2-3 weeks.


So access to gear issues? aside from excuses, I don't see any reason anyone can't do at least one of these at a time. Even the most casual corsair would have access to some of these events. If a person asks the question, posters will tell them their answer. Just because you don't like that the answer is telling you to go level X subjob, or go farm X gil, doesn't mean the answer is instantly wrong. You just don't like it. No one is holding a gun to your head telling you to play a certain way. However opinions were asked, opinions were given. You can't preface a question with "how should I" or "what should I" to only be upset that the answer you receive is telling you to level another job or to farm for bullet money, or even to skillup a craft.

And you know what, from about 18-40 the best way to DD on NIN is to throw ninja stars. SE seems to have envisioned NIN to be a ninja star throwing ninjitsu enfeebler but the playerbase saw NIN as a tank and that became the "accepted norm". Just like a DD COR is the "accepted norm" in almost everyone's eyes, at least everyone I've partied with.



I leveled COR and am leveling it off of the same gil funding methods I used to get SCH from 1-75. Nothing has changed other than having a job at 75 means I can help my LS with Dynamis, Sky, Sea, and missions. None of these things really net me any gil, I get gear I want but since I won't spend the hours farming crap others do I don't see the returns they do and rightfully so.



Why wouldn't they? I learned that to level cor I would need up 50k for each level from30-50 where it jumped to an average of 100k at least after 54 and lesser colibri. These numbers are high because I take into account food, ammo, and deaths. But I got these numbers by reading posts on these forums, looking at how much things cost on the AH, looking up alternative places to buy things to save a little bit of gil. All of these things I did before or while leveling COR.

Now this sounds crazy and at first, it did to me too but then I figured out knowing what I do about making gil, how to average 50-100k a week in income to keep leveling COR when I wasn't doing "endgame" things, leveling subs or other random jobs in my limited playtime.

If I learned how to do this and it isn't much harder than learning the basics of how to play COR, why shouldn't I expect other CORs to do the same?


I bolded a key part, why is this true? I sucked it up and farmed. Having a level 75 job doesn't mean having a bank of millions of gil to blow on a job. It just means you can do events that take time away from farming and leveling another job. It also means you spend more time on that 75 job recouping exp lost doing said events.

People are judged because they come in the forums with a holier than thou attitude and start acting like they're God's gift to whatever job they're band-wagoning for the month.
If I walked into your house and called you and your whole family a bunch of worthless ******** for not force feeding me and buying me everything I need to be rich and successful, you'd respond the same way.

Yeah, you should try to do some damage. Just remember that no matter how good you are at it, the vast majority of people are going to view you like they do a BRD. Bottom line -- when people invite a COR, they are doing it to fill a support/"BRD" slot, not a DD slot. And nobody ever cares about a BRD's damage. They aren't going to magically start caring about yours. Feel free to spend 100k or so per party on consumables if you like; just don't be surprised if you find that the only person that cares is you.

Oh I think the other party members care. They just don't know that they care. They assume that the great xp is do to the buffs making them uber-powerful and forget that the COR DD is also adding about 15% to the party damage.

Good COR's plus good party members > Bad CORs plus good party members.

Unfortunately unless you parse, you'll rarely be aware of all that a COR can do for a party.

If you have a bard, why are you pulling?

Edit: lol... Dartagnann beat me to it. ;p

Edited, Jul 6th 2009 3:34pm by chewzer

I've had numerous parties pull in awesome EXP even when the COR was doing nothing but buffs and QDs (QDs including the occasional add control). Just because the COR might have been doing 15% of the mob's life doesn't mean that the other melees are going to take much longer to get rid of that 15% themselves, especially if a BRD is also present.

Bottom line: if BRDs can get away with contributing little to no direct damage themselves and still produce a party getting good EXP, so can COR. Not that I advocate doing this, just saying that if you think people look at COR and think "damage", you're deluding yourselves just as much as the wannabe RDM-melee is.

Edited, Jul 6th 2009 4:47pm by Fynlar

You know you're opening yourself up to the "I saw a COR with full Skadi and 'xyz' gear out-dmg 'xyz' DD," right? lol

I don't think most of the posters here DO really say that. What they really say is that you should be doing SOMETHING besides just standing there and rolling. If you're only rolling and standing around, you completely suck. Plain and simple. Is it possible to get invites from desperate people with low standards (or high desire to get e-peen WS numbers)? Yes. But you **** well better be doing SOMETHING productive in addition to your rolls.

Main ways people do that:

1. /RNG (or /WAR) and DDing. A lot of people like this and it's a very obvious choice, because COR has access to quite a bit of gear that is well suited for adding damage. You should at the very least be prepared to do so, in the event your party has a puller already (so COR/NIN is less useful) and doesn't need a lot of extra support (COR/DNC is less useful if you already have a lot of support - say, a DNC or /DNC in party, or multiple mages - you'd be better off adding damage instead of even more support).

Note that DD becomes much more about gaining TP for WS at later levels, but you will indeed be spending a lot of time shooting your gun in the mid levels. Once you get a multi-hit weapon (M.Kris or Joyeuse), ammo costs decrease because melee is much more efficient than ranged DD. Some of the higher level single hit daggers are reasonable options too, stuff like Jambiya and Behemoth Knife. A COR who pays attention to WS and rolls and uses a single hit weapon is a **** of a lot better than one who rolls and stands around. You really need to be shooting for TP from 22 to AT LEAST Slug Shot level (54? Can't remember off the top of my head) though. Your WS are simply too weak, and you'll get pretty good damage from /RA to add to your party far more than... just standing there and rolling. And you should at least have a solid ranged set for situations where you might want to be at a distance, as it comes up a lot for any COR no matter what your preference is.

2. /NIN and pulling. I actually kinda enjoy pulling sometimes, and though some here hate it, COR is at least capable of doing it (very well at merit camps, not as well prior to that but still certainly CAPABLE). Note that this still requires gil. You're still gonna be using consumables to pull, and at pre-merit levels you have plenty of time to pop off a couple /ra during the fight too. You're also going to be spending gil on ninja tools. ****, I even have some nice evasion pieces to go along with my capped evasion skill for when I pull.

3. /DNC and becoming an uber-support character. Box/Quick Step, Drain Sambas, emergency spot healing with cures. Add that to a little DD and the rolls, and you're doing a ton for your party. Potentially the cheapest way to go too, as you'll want to be in melee range to keep up sambas and use steps. A good low delay dagger or a multihit weapon (M.Kris or Joyeuse) are useful.

4. Japanese would say /WHM and backup healing is a good option, though it's generally not accepted by the english-speaking COR community outside of lazy people who just want an excuse to stand on the backline and occasionally throw out a cure. Even if you do think that's a good idea (I don't, but for the sake of argument let's say you truly wanted to play the COR/WHM role and not be a gimp), you'll need to invest in some MP and mage-type gear.

5. Focus on adding as much Quick Draw damage as possible with /RDM or /BLM. Very specific situations though, generally for endgame HNM type mobs that are weak to magic damage, and your ranged or melee attacks aren't as useful.


People whining about "it's expensive" are also annoying. By complaining about costs, you're pretty much admitting that you think the stuff that costs money is useful. Otherwise, why complain? If you don't like the idea of needing to earn gil, and you're just interested in buffing people and supporting without adding DD, BRD is a much more affordable option that might be a better fit for you.

Edited, Jul 6th 2009 5:57pm by Anza

If your "play style" is just to roll and do nothing else, there's a name for that. Gimp.

Edited, Jul 6th 2009 6:05pm by Anza

COR doing 15% of the damage does not necessarily mean that your killspeed, or EXP rate, would drop by 15% if he were to stop.



No, I'm just saying don't go nuts over it (which is the mentality indicated by many people around this forum), because no matter what, that's not what people are inviting you for. Try reading that first sentence that you quoted again, as well.



Yeah, but that's more of an exception to the rule and even then it doesn't really matter. You could have a friggin mythic for all I care, people are still going to look at your job and invite you as a support and a BRD clone.

No matter how much I or anyone else pimps out their RDM to be a solid melee DD, I am still only going to be invited when they need someone for heals/Haste/Refresh. If I can accept that, everyone else should be able to as well. People do not look for RDMs when they want a DD, the same way they don't look for a COR.

Again, there's nothing wrong with trying to do good damage, just so long that you realize that you are generally going to be the only one that cares.