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#28 Jul 07 2009 at 6:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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The way I see it, COR is a buffer first and foremost. If I wanted to be DD and shoot all the time, I would have just leveled RNG.


If you wanted to just buff all the time, shouldn't you have levelled BRD?
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#29 Jul 07 2009 at 7:44 AM Rating: Default
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COR and BRD are two buffing jobs, its called options. Maybe I didn't want to level BRD.

If I said you had to choose a Tanking job it's not as if your only option is PLD. And most certainly if you wanted to just play a DD job, it's not as if the only option is SAM. It's not as if SMNs enjoy healing and being asked to come as /WHM to heal instead of use their Avatars, they should have just rolled a RDM at that point so they could buff a bit and throw out heals. Options are why this game has 20 jobs to choose from, otherwise we would have just the first 6 jobs only, and hope that anyone who wants to tank enjoys playing WARs and anyone who like to DD big numbers likes to play BLM.

BRDs have other tools available to them so that they aren't just solely buffing all the time themselves. Just because we have a gun doesn't mean we need to push all of our spare time into it. We got a B ranking in the skill, it's not like we are Rangers (which by the way, if I wanted to shoot all the time, I woulda just been a RNG... see what I did there?).

I can't see why you people fail so hard at understanding that it is a game that people play to enjoy, not a job that people go to work at. The people who post on these forums are most definitely elitists (for the most part, a few regular joe gamers amongst ya), and like to rate people down who disagree with their opinions. There is no right or wrong way to play a job you like, it's all about whether you are having fun and most everyone you party with enjoys your company.
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The way I see it, COR is a buffer first and foremost. If I wanted to be DD and shoot all the time, I would have just leveled RNG.


If you wanted to just buff all the time, shouldn't you have levelled BRD?


Roll a RNG if you want to DD so badly. COR get invited for buffs, not their damage. There are plenty of reasonable things you can do after you've buffed and as long as you are doing one of them it doesn't really matter. Even if you were to min/max and money were no object I'm not convinced that DD COR is superior to something like /DNC or sometimes /WHM. It's certainly not a "DD or GTFO" situation like many people present it as here.
#32 Jul 07 2009 at 8:14 AM Rating: Default
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I guess that's why when I do a /sea COR all, I come up with 100ish names and 70ish are COR/WHM, another 20ish are COR/NIN or COR/RNG, and the final bit are COR/???. If everyone was doing it right, I think it would be more lopsided in the other direction.

Support Jobbing is what makes a COR a hybrid, /WHM now makes us a hybrid healer for example. But ****, the same thing is said for all jobs. SAM/DNC is now not just a pure DD, but now a hybrid DD/healer.

The only question you should be asking yourself is, are you enjoying the game? If so, good, you are doing it right.
#33 Jul 07 2009 at 8:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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Just because we have a gun doesn't mean we need to push all of our spare time into it. We got a B ranking in the skill, it's not like we are Rangers


And just because we have a B rating in the skill, doesn't mean we shouldn't be shooting. I agree with others; COR is a hybrid job. The fact that COR's AF weapon is a gun, and the AF gear in general is loaded with R.Acc bonuses, should be a big clue. As for the B rating; that's what Hunter's Roll is for.


#34 Jul 07 2009 at 8:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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Support Jobbing is what makes a COR a hybrid, /WHM now makes us a hybrid healer for example. But ****, the same thing is said for all jobs. SAM/DNC is now not just a pure DD, but now a hybrid DD/healer.


Fail analogy is fail.
SAM no sub is a DD, no one argues that.
COR no sub is a hybrid DD/buffer.
DNC no sub is a hybrid DD/healer.
BRD no sub is a buffer.

Just because a job CAN sub something and become a "hybrid" doesn't make it a hybrid. The basics of the COR job is buffing and shooting. You have the option to play it another way being COR/mage, but in a EXP party, which is the frame of reference in this thread, /DNC will do just as well as /mage and retain the basics of the job.

/mage has its uses, but there are some situations where there is a much better alternative.
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I guess that's why when I do a /sea COR all, I come up with 100ish names and 70ish are COR/WHM, another 20ish are COR/NIN or COR/RNG, and the final bit are COR/???. If everyone was doing it right, I think it would be more lopsided in the other direction.


You see that because people are lazy and don't want to spend the money on bullets, not because its right.

If you wanted to be COR/WHM in exp you'd be better off on BRD, because that's essentially what you're trying to be.
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#35Mjrna, Posted: Jul 07 2009 at 9:58 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) That's a lot of lazy people... or you can just admit that your perception of "right" is just your opinion.
#37 Jul 07 2009 at 12:11 PM Rating: Good
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That's a lot of lazy people... or you can just admit that your perception of "right" is just your opinion.


Yes, that is a lot of lazy people, I have no need for a cor that does not shoot in my parties, and will kick them.

for endgame they can do what they want.

but yeah, you hit the nail on the head Mjrna, lots of fail cors out there.

you really should just level brd, you get horde lullaby and can be more useful to a party, but wait, thats right, they don't get the cool AF and a gun you just equip to look pretty with.
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#38 Jul 07 2009 at 12:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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The only question you should be asking yourself is, are you enjoying the game? If so, good, you are doing it right.


This works in FFI-X and XII. IN FFXI you are playing a MMORPG and are partying with 5 other real life people. Only the most insensitive noob would not consider the well-being of the other members in his party.

The question is: am I the type of player that complements a party and makes other people feel good about their time with me? If yes, then ask yourself, "am I enjoying the game". If yes, great. If no, level a different job or play BST.

Yes you can play the game anyway you want, but I try to be considerate of my other party mates and play in a fashion that makes them not regret inviting me.

The only thing that looking at Sea all COR does is prove the axiom, "80% of the world are morons"

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#39 Jul 07 2009 at 12:39 PM Rating: Good
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I think the one thing a lot of people miss in this whole discussion of whether it's better to /DD cor or /mage COR or /stand around n do nothing COR is that there is no right answer (except that doing nothing is wrong :P).

A COR CAN sub rng or war and be a pretty good DD if that's what you need.

A COR CAN sub whm sch rdm w/e, tack on some max MP and be a pretty good back-up healer. A COR can also sub those things, have 2-3 perma-equip MP gears in well-chosen slots and still DD their *** off while contributed cures, paralynas and other mage-type ish.

A COR probably can sub bst and use pet rolls on itself and do ok lol. Doesn't mean we should, but I bet in certain cases it's doable. It's too bad Carby isn't a parrot >.>

It's not fail to be a /mage. It's not fail to be a /dd. If anything is fail, its lacking the "big picture foresight" to realize that both builds are absolutely viable and the situation should dictate which way you play it. The COR that truly wins is the one who can play every aspect of our job, every role we can fill.

I'm personally at 5 roles right now, I guess. All of which obviously including buffing other people.

1) DD COR -- Buffs and contributes dmg while trying not to be a massive MP sink. /war preferred imo, /rng also acceptable.

2) COR healer -- buffs, still contributes some dmg cuz why the **** not, but also can toss out cures, paralynas, erases, w/e else is needed.

3) COR puller -- subs nin, equips peacemaker if needed, uses light shot and utsusemi to manage pulls... occasionally busts a weak peacemaker-style slug in a colibri's ***.

4) COR QDer -- A COR strictly geared for quick draws. /rdm ideal for a pt/ally situation where you want to focus on QD dmg (Armed Gears for example). Has all staves (preferably HQ), has a bunch of obis, a strong AGI/MAB QD set. It's for situations where melee is absolutely out of the question (usually due to massive AOE concerns) and the mob is tough enough that shooting from 20 distance out is just a waste of time.

5) COR TP healer -- subs dnc and uses TP to land steps, heal people, erase, etc.

You could add more.. COR stunner for the rare time you absolutely NEED a stunner but have no DRK or BLM available. I can do this too and beat the Alexander fight this way. Having me be the stunner allowed everyone else to not gimp themselves up with /drk. I could still perform my top function (buffs) at full strength and still contribute some dmg, if not as much as /rng.

I used COR/THF once lol. We needed to pull Faust and had no THF or /thf. I was on BLM. I went to switch to THF, remembered that TH is useless on Faust and came COR/THF instead and gave everyone buffs and pulled him np.

I have a friend whos a BST75 and I always seem him subbing bst on THF when farming. I guess its easier that way? lol plus you still get TH. With pet rolls, COR/BST could work too. I don't know if there's really any uses for it but a COR can sub **** near anything and still perform well.

Personally, I want to get the most out of any job I'm on, not just COR. SAM, BLM, WAR, THF whatever. I think the reason many of us react badly when we see someone "doingitwrong" is we just can't understand why someone would put in so many hours into this game and not go all out. Again, like someone in a diff thread mentioned, this is an MMORPG. You aren't soloing if you're in a pt of 6 or an ally of 18. So if you're half-assing it or just outright sucking, you're jeopardizing (or flat-out wasting) the time and effort of others.

Anyway, urr this post getting a bit long so i'mma end it here :P
#40 Jul 07 2009 at 2:06 PM Rating: Decent
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I think the one thing a lot of people miss in this whole discussion of whether it's better to /DD cor or /mage COR or /stand around n do nothing COR is that there is no right answer (except that doing nothing is wrong :P).


The issue is, this is a video game based on script and coding. It uses mathematical equations to determine everything, therefore there is always a right answer. Any non-merit exp party will not have too much DD, it can have too much healing. This is why it's generally said that /DD is better than /mage.

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Again, like someone in a diff thread mentioned, this is an MMORPG. You aren't soloing if you're in a pt of 6 or an ally of 18. So if you're half-assing it or just outright sucking, you're jeopardizing (or flat-out wasting) the time and effort of others.


This is exactly why we say /mage over /DD. Anytime you're not doing your best, you're wasting 6x as much time. This is the same for all jobs.

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I have a friend whos a BST75 and I always seem him subbing bst on THF when farming. I guess its easier that way? lol plus you still get TH. With pet rolls, COR/BST could work too. I don't know if there's really any uses for it but a COR can sub **** near anything and still perform well.


COR/BST has an actual use. It's one of CORs only non-QD based soloing options. /BST works in a different way than other subs, your charm ability is based on your BSTs actual level rather than your sub level.


A lot of people on this forum see a COR/WHM offering to buff and heal similar to a BLM/NIN offering to tank. Can you do it? Sure. Is it even remotely attached to the job? No.
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Corsair can only buff every 1 minute, bard can buff and debuff unlimted amount of times in a row. If you aren't shooting, or pulling, wtf are you doing with your time?
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#42 Jul 07 2009 at 2:38 PM Rating: Good
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Corsair can only buff every 1 minute, bard can buff and debuff unlimted amount of times in a row. If you aren't shooting, or pulling, wtf are you doing with your time?


Likely Cure 3'ing over a RDM's Cure 4 or a WHM's Cure V. This is why I think backup healing is so lame. Most of the time you are doing a redundant act rather than helping out. It's also why I prefer /DNC to /WHM in merits. At least with Drain Samba II you are contributing healing with out superimposing on the mages cures. Usually a good drain samba and box step is all you need from /DNC to keep the party supported and you can deal damage with the rest of your TP.
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#43Mjrna, Posted: Jul 07 2009 at 3:03 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) This is exactly the elitist attitude that puts people off. Not everyone is a math hungry number cruncher. In fact only the smallest minority of the community even cares about squeezing 1 more damage out of their output, standing at the Auction house debating whether to buy that Couerl Sub or that Sole Sushi +1. I party with people all the time that go afk for 10 minutes. I know Thieves that don't SA every 60 seconds and usually more like every 120 seconds. I see Paladins wearing Chainmail at level 35 and Mithra Healers wearing full RSE at level 65. I see this every day on 75+% of the populous. Melees that are content eating Crab Sushi and TPing in Skill Chains even if they are holding 175% TP when their partner is ready.
#44 Jul 07 2009 at 3:14 PM Rating: Good
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COR/BST has an actual use. It's one of CORs only non-QD based soloing options. /BST works in a different way than other subs, your charm ability is based on your BSTs actual level rather than your sub level.


Ahhhh, I always wondered about that. I'm a BST3 lol my absolute lowest job so I don't know much about it. I always wondered how a /bst was able to charm higher stuff. I guess /bst is only worthwhile if you have the main job leveled though. Again, with our pet buffs, it seems like it'd be a natural fit.

As for /mage vs /dd... in non-colibri situations I tend to prefer /mage and play like a DD anyway. My DMG isn't what it would be on /war or /rng obviously, but it's still pretty solid. All my gear is the same cept one earring and a ring so gear-wise is almost a wash. Especially in salvage where i don't have a subjob cell for half the run anyway lol.

I can't say that /mage always > /dd though. I do prefer the versatility of it. If you can /mage and still pull off a good level of dmg, then made is usually going to win based on the fact you can bring so much more to the table with it. In Einherjar though, I absolutely prefer /war. 1) We had a stretch of about 4-5 weeks where all we did was lose at 1-10% lol. 2) 90% of the time, i'm in a pt with 5 SMNs. They probably aren't taking dmg, can toss themselves a cure if needed, and I always strap on vulcans/axegrip and shoot for my tp there to make sure I don't need much healing. I can buff them up just the same (****, i prefer only needing 2 rolls for 5 people... can use my JAs far more aggressively then run off and buff just myself after)... and maybe give us that little bit of extra dmg to push us over the top.

Bottom line: if the pt/group/ally needs a little more healing, come /mage. If it's light on dmg, come /dd. But whatever you do, being able/willing to do either.
#45 Jul 07 2009 at 4:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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Your idea of fun is to crunch out as much exp in as little time as possible, mine is to log in talk and laugh in shell chat and party chat, get to know some new people and enjoy a leisurely leveling session with my limited play time.


Actually that's not my idea of fun. My idea of fun is to do events with LS mates and have fun doing that. My idea of fun is exploring new areas in Vanadiel that i've never been to before. My idea of fun is soloing an NM I didn't think I could solo. My idea of fun is helping an exp party be better than they thought they could be.

Those are the major reasons I play the game.

I have no problem with leisurely xp. As long as the rest of the party is fine with that. But i don't want to be that guy (and we've all partied with "that guy"), who thinks Vanadiel is his own private sandbox and does everything his way to the detriment of the party.

I dont' consider myself an A+ player. I don't prefer to party with A+ players. i consider myself a B+ player trying to slowly improve his character. I party with similar B+ players and we have a good time getting good xp because everyone does their job as well as they can within the limited abilities of the more casual player. I get satisfaction from doing a good job.

I was very much like you when I started FFXI Mjrna. But as I improved, I also preferred to be with people that were also trying to improve. If you stay satisfied with average to below average players and parties that's fine. There is room in Vanadiel for all types. But I find that if you at least try to improve it opens you to more of this very fascinating world.
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#46 Jul 07 2009 at 4:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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Just because we have a gun doesn't mean we need to push all of our spare time into it. We got a B ranking in the skill, it's not like we are Rangers
Oh crap, my BRD only has a C in Singing, Wind and String skill. Guess I better give up the tunes, and use my B- ranked dagger instead.

In all seriousness though, if you want to do COR cheaply, I have the perfect way for you.

COR/DNC soloing EPs using FoV. I guaruntee you, this is faster exp at least for 1-37 than partying at least 80% of the time.
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#48 Jul 08 2009 at 4:53 PM Rating: Good
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Heh, even though I'm still forced to pull even with a brd in party >.> I can see why some CORs wouldn't want to shoot..pulling/shooting/4 roll rotation can get taxing...

But I can't see why you wouldn't if you aren't pulling..it's kinda hard to just stand there and wait for buffs to wear...I'd go crazy just standing there doing nothing.
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#49Esoa, Posted: Jul 09 2009 at 6:42 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Stop saying this. COR/WHM is better than BRD/WHM if there's already another BRD in the party.
#50Esoa, Posted: Jul 09 2009 at 6:44 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Then you're all doing it wrong because Martial Gun isn't a hexagun.
#51Esoa, Posted: Jul 09 2009 at 6:46 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) The problem with your reasoning is that no one cares if you go /WHM or /RNG or /DNC or ffs even /THF except for other COR who can't mind their own business. The only way they would regret inviting you is if you forgot to do rolls.
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