I figured out why most cor don't shoot..Follow

shouldnt be DD shooting till 22 anyways...

but its not that hard. ill admit when i built pts as COR i always looked for a THF RNG or some other job that could pull, and pulling adn buffing is not why i play COR, but sometimes there isnt much you can do about it.

thats funny, most people i know dont know what COR even does. they are like whats dark shot do, or whats light shot. or can i have a haste roll

/sigh so misunderstood

I'm trying to lvl COR now. If I go to a pt as /nin or /rng it feels like I'm just grinding rng again - but more expensive, less dmg and I have to worry about buffs.

Idiot.

b/c it can be fun. But, it seems like the job has an identity crisis. With every pt inv your expected to play either support, support that can dps or full dps and almost always puller. This goes on the the point that, leaders don't even make sure you have the sub they want/need for the pt. They inv /anything and have it set in their mind what they want from you regardless.

Showing up to a pt after an inv /rng and then being told you have to pull birds... yup I just don't enjoy being versatile, that's it...

A solution, next to that say NA ONRY as well, because JP/FR/GER won't understand. The autotranslate still lacks key terms for the game, fisherman - along with most other slang descirptions don't work and discourage inv.

No arguments there. I just dislike the BAWWW sh*t people do.

if you complain about the grind or shooting being too expensive.

GO PLAY BRD

I think in this instance, {Sub} refers to the shield equipment slot. It probably translates as such.

This is the correct answer.

shoot or GTFO!

Except that support job is the actual official term for your sub, and there is an autotranslate for {Support role job} which covers what you are discussing.

The way I see it, COR is a buffer first and foremost. If I wanted to be DD and shoot all the time, I would have just leveled RNG.

COR and BRD are two buffing jobs, its called options. Maybe I didn't want to level BRD.

If I said you had to choose a Tanking job it's not as if your only option is PLD. And most certainly if you wanted to just play a DD job, it's not as if the only option is SAM. It's not as if SMNs enjoy healing and being asked to come as /WHM to heal instead of use their Avatars, they should have just rolled a RDM at that point so they could buff a bit and throw out heals. Options are why this game has 20 jobs to choose from, otherwise we would have just the first 6 jobs only, and hope that anyone who wants to tank enjoys playing WARs and anyone who like to DD big numbers likes to play BLM.

BRDs have other tools available to them so that they aren't just solely buffing all the time themselves. Just because we have a gun doesn't mean we need to push all of our spare time into it. We got a B ranking in the skill, it's not like we are Rangers (which by the way, if I wanted to shoot all the time, I woulda just been a RNG... see what I did there?).

I can't see why you people fail so hard at understanding that it is a game that people play to enjoy, not a job that people go to work at. The people who post on these forums are most definitely elitists (for the most part, a few regular joe gamers amongst ya), and like to rate people down who disagree with their opinions. There is no right or wrong way to play a job you like, it's all about whether you are having fun and most everyone you party with enjoys your company.

I guess that's why when I do a /sea COR all, I come up with 100ish names and 70ish are COR/WHM, another 20ish are COR/NIN or COR/RNG, and the final bit are COR/???. If everyone was doing it right, I think it would be more lopsided in the other direction.

Support Jobbing is what makes a COR a hybrid, /WHM now makes us a hybrid healer for example. But hell, the same thing is said for all jobs. SAM/DNC is now not just a pure DD, but now a hybrid DD/healer.

The only question you should be asking yourself is, are you enjoying the game? If so, good, you are doing it right.

Fail analogy is fail.
SAM no sub is a DD, no one argues that.
COR no sub is a hybrid DD/buffer.
DNC no sub is a hybrid DD/healer.
BRD no sub is a buffer.

Just because a job CAN sub something and become a "hybrid" doesn't make it a hybrid. The basics of the COR job is buffing and shooting. You have the option to play it another way being COR/mage, but in a EXP party, which is the frame of reference in this thread, /DNC will do just as well as /mage and retain the basics of the job.

/mage has its uses, but there are some situations where there is a much better alternative.


You see that because people are lazy and don't want to spend the money on bullets, not because its right.

If you wanted to be COR/WHM in exp you'd be better off on BRD, because that's essentially what you're trying to be.

Yes, that is a lot of lazy people, I have no need for a cor that does not shoot in my parties, and will kick them.

for endgame they can do what they want.

but yeah, you hit the nail on the head Mjrna, lots of fail cors out there.

you really should just level brd, you get horde lullaby and can be more useful to a party, but wait, thats right, they don't get the cool AF and a gun you just equip to look pretty with.

I think the one thing a lot of people miss in this whole discussion of whether it's better to /DD cor or /mage COR or /stand around n do nothing COR is that there is no right answer (except that doing nothing is wrong :P).

A COR CAN sub rng or war and be a pretty good DD if that's what you need.

A COR CAN sub whm sch rdm w/e, tack on some max MP and be a pretty good back-up healer. A COR can also sub those things, have 2-3 perma-equip MP gears in well-chosen slots and still DD their ass off while contributed cures, paralynas and other mage-type ish.

A COR probably can sub bst and use pet rolls on itself and do ok lol. Doesn't mean we should, but I bet in certain cases it's doable. It's too bad Carby isn't a parrot >.>

It's not fail to be a /mage. It's not fail to be a /dd. If anything is fail, its lacking the "big picture foresight" to realize that both builds are absolutely viable and the situation should dictate which way you play it. The COR that truly wins is the one who can play every aspect of our job, every role we can fill.

I'm personally at 5 roles right now, I guess. All of which obviously including buffing other people.

1) DD COR -- Buffs and contributes dmg while trying not to be a massive MP sink. /war preferred imo, /rng also acceptable.

2) COR healer -- buffs, still contributes some dmg cuz why the hell not, but also can toss out cures, paralynas, erases, w/e else is needed.

3) COR puller -- subs nin, equips peacemaker if needed, uses light shot and utsusemi to manage pulls... occasionally busts a weak peacemaker-style slug in a colibri's ass.

4) COR QDer -- A COR strictly geared for quick draws. /rdm ideal for a pt/ally situation where you want to focus on QD dmg (Armed Gears for example). Has all staves (preferably HQ), has a bunch of obis, a strong AGI/MAB QD set. It's for situations where melee is absolutely out of the question (usually due to massive AOE concerns) and the mob is tough enough that shooting from 20 distance out is just a waste of time.

5) COR TP healer -- subs dnc and uses TP to land steps, heal people, erase, etc.

You could add more.. COR stunner for the rare time you absolutely NEED a stunner but have no DRK or BLM available. I can do this too and beat the Alexander fight this way. Having me be the stunner allowed everyone else to not gimp themselves up with /drk. I could still perform my top function (buffs) at full strength and still contribute some dmg, if not as much as /rng.

I used COR/THF once lol. We needed to pull Faust and had no THF or /thf. I was on BLM. I went to switch to THF, remembered that TH is useless on Faust and came COR/THF instead and gave everyone buffs and pulled him np.

I have a friend whos a BST75 and I always seem him subbing bst on THF when farming. I guess its easier that way? lol plus you still get TH. With pet rolls, COR/BST could work too. I don't know if there's really any uses for it but a COR can sub damn near anything and still perform well.

Personally, I want to get the most out of any job I'm on, not just COR. SAM, BLM, WAR, THF whatever. I think the reason many of us react badly when we see someone "doingitwrong" is we just can't understand why someone would put in so many hours into this game and not go all out. Again, like someone in a diff thread mentioned, this is an MMORPG. You aren't soloing if you're in a pt of 6 or an ally of 18. So if you're half-assing it or just outright sucking, you're jeopardizing (or flat-out wasting) the time and effort of others.

Anyway, urr this post getting a bit long so i'mma end it here :P

Corsair can only buff every 1 minute, bard can buff and debuff unlimted amount of times in a row. If you aren't shooting, or pulling, wtf are you doing with your time?

Actually that's not my idea of fun. My idea of fun is to do events with LS mates and have fun doing that. My idea of fun is exploring new areas in Vanadiel that i've never been to before. My idea of fun is soloing an NM I didn't think I could solo. My idea of fun is helping an exp party be better than they thought they could be.

Those are the major reasons I play the game.

I have no problem with leisurely xp. As long as the rest of the party is fine with that. But i don't want to be that guy (and we've all partied with "that guy"), who thinks Vanadiel is his own private sandbox and does everything his way to the detriment of the party.

I dont' consider myself an A+ player. I don't prefer to party with A+ players. i consider myself a B+ player trying to slowly improve his character. I party with similar B+ players and we have a good time getting good xp because everyone does their job as well as they can within the limited abilities of the more casual player. I get satisfaction from doing a good job.

I was very much like you when I started FFXI Mjrna. But as I improved, I also preferred to be with people that were also trying to improve. If you stay satisfied with average to below average players and parties that's fine. There is room in Vanadiel for all types. But I find that if you at least try to improve it opens you to more of this very fascinating world.

Heh, even though I'm still forced to pull even with a brd in party >.> I can see why some CORs wouldn't want to shoot..pulling/shooting/4 roll rotation can get taxing...

But I can't see why you wouldn't if you aren't pulling..it's kinda hard to just stand there and wait for buffs to wear...I'd go crazy just standing there doing nothing.