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#1 Jun 30 2009 at 7:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Keeping buffs on melee and mage means that, at any given time, you're lucky to have one beneficial damage buff.

Considering the cheapest ammo for any actual damage starts at nearly 10k/stack beginning when there isn't enough ra acc gear to actually hit IT consistantly, it quickly becomes acceptable to just buff/melee/pull.

Price combined with only having acc buff about 2 mins every roll cycle means that lots of effort/gil are wasted.
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#2 Jun 30 2009 at 8:15 PM Rating: Default
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shouldnt be DD shooting till 22 anyways...

but its not that hard. ill admit when i built pts as COR i always looked for a THF RNG or some other job that could pull, and pulling adn buffing is not why i play COR, but sometimes there isnt much you can do about it.
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No DRG for party, camp spot site with 30 dmg, but is it for 20 like 30 dmg when you no hit be it for dd, for 30 dmg instead? or half is 10 for 20 dmg?

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Cor should just be using dice rolls and helping with cures anyway

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#3 Jul 01 2009 at 5:46 AM Rating: Good
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From 22 to 40 you are in a 3 roll rotation with Chaos/Hunters/Healers. So you have an acc buff at least 2/3 of the time. If you are subbing /RNG you have an Acc bonus from 20 on. Once you get Noct gear at 30 and start using sushi, hitting with bullets is not that hard.

Many COR's don't shoot because 1) they are cheap, 2) levelling the job for a wanted merit job rather than for the sheer joy of corsairness. That's really the only reasons.

It's like the bandwagon BRD syndrome a few years ago where everyone levelled BRD's with **** gear just to get to 75 quickly and get an endgame LS with easy invites to meripo. Many people view COR as a BRD with cooler AF and level it as such. These are not true Corsairs and outside of merits, you will never see them on COR.
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#4 Jul 01 2009 at 8:47 AM Rating: Good
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Dartagnann wrote:
Many people view COR as a BRD with cooler AF and level it as such.


thats funny, most people i know dont know what COR even does. they are like whats dark shot do, or whats light shot. or can i have a haste roll

/sigh so misunderstood
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Armant wrote:
No DRG for party, camp spot site with 30 dmg, but is it for 20 like 30 dmg when you no hit be it for dd, for 30 dmg instead? or half is 10 for 20 dmg?

Omegag wrote:
Cor should just be using dice rolls and helping with cures anyway

Dynamis Member while prepping for Dynamis Qufim wrote:
Is this where treasure hunter feet drop?

#5 Jul 01 2009 at 12:56 PM Rating: Default
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It's hard to justify shooting when it just makes you a gimp ranger with twice the cost(at least) and the added annoying responsibility of rolls on two groups of pt members (mage and dd). Plus your still expected to pull, making a constant 2 buffs on all members nearly impossible.
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#6 Jul 01 2009 at 1:12 PM Rating: Decent
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It's hard to justify shooting when it just makes you a gimp ranger with twice the cost(at least) and the added annoying responsibility of rolls on two groups of pt members (mage and dd). Plus your still expected to pull, making a constant 2 buffs on all members nearly impossible.



I'm trying to lvl COR now. If I go to a pt as /nin or /rng it feels like I'm just grinding rng again - but more expensive, less dmg and I have to worry about buffs.
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#7 Jul 01 2009 at 1:44 PM Rating: Default
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Dryr wrote:
I'm trying to lvl COR now. If I go to a pt as /nin or /rng it feels like I'm just grinding rng again - but more expensive, less dmg and I have to worry about buffs.


ITT: BAWWWWWW :'(
#8 Jul 01 2009 at 1:56 PM Rating: Good
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Siralin wrote:
Dryr wrote:
I'm trying to lvl COR now. If I go to a pt as /nin or /rng it feels like I'm just grinding rng again - but more expensive, less dmg and I have to worry about buffs.


ITT: BAWWWWWW :'(


Idiot.
#9 Jul 01 2009 at 2:03 PM Rating: Decent
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NovaLevossida wrote:
Siralin wrote:
Dryr wrote:
I'm trying to lvl COR now. If I go to a pt as /nin or /rng it feels like I'm just grinding rng again - but more expensive, less dmg and I have to worry about buffs.


ITT: BAWWWWWW :'(


Idiot.


If they don't enjoy leveling it, why bother? They don't have to level the job. Just like they don't have to come here and whine about the costs.
#10 Jul 01 2009 at 2:10 PM Rating: Good
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If they don't enjoy leveling it, why bother? They don't have to level the job. Just like they don't have to come here and whine about the costs.



b/c it can be fun. But, it seems like the job has an identity crisis. With every pt inv your expected to play either support, support that can dps or full dps and almost always puller. This goes on the the point that, leaders don't even make sure you have the sub they want/need for the pt. They inv /anything and have it set in their mind what they want from you regardless.
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#11 Jul 01 2009 at 2:19 PM Rating: Good
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Dryr wrote:
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If they don't enjoy leveling it, why bother? They don't have to level the job. Just like they don't have to come here and whine about the costs.



b/c it can be fun. But, it seems like the job has an identity crisis. With every pt inv your expected to play either support, support that can dps or full dps and almost always puller. This goes on the the point that, leaders don't even make sure you have the sub they want/need for the pt. They inv /anything and have it set in their mind what they want from you regardless.


I don't know about you, but I enjoy being able to do multiple things in different settings/parties.
#12 Jul 01 2009 at 2:32 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't know about you, but I enjoy being able to do multiple things in different settings/parties.


Showing up to a pt after an inv /rng and then being told you have to pull birds... yup I just don't enjoy being versatile, that's it...
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#13 Jul 01 2009 at 2:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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Dryr wrote:
almost always puller.


Pre-merits, that's just kinda dumb. Many, many COR make the trek from 1-75 without pulling.

Most party leaders are just clueless, so feel free to tell them to make the SAM WAR THF RNG DNC pull. COR pre-merits is generally far more useful by keeping 4 buffs up (buffs will sometimes drop if you're out looking for mobs or leaving early, due to Phantom Roll timer) and DDing.

Perhaps it's really that party leaders want YOU to pull because you're clueless as to what to do other than standing around and rolling.

Spend gil on bullets, or be a sucky COR. That's pretty much what it boils down to. If you don't like it, BRD is {Over there}.

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This goes on the the point that, leaders don't even make sure you have the sub they want/need for the pt. They inv /anything and have it set in their mind what they want from you regardless.


Try... ASKING THEM BEFORE YOU ACCEPT THE PARTY OR COME TO CAMP what you're expected to do. Don't head to camp until you get an answer. It's not hard.

Step 1. If you're not in a pulling mood, put {fisherman} {No thanks} or something to that effect in /seacom.

Step 2. When you get a party invite, ask if they expect you to pull. If you had a "no pulling" comment and they want you to pull, leave. If you don't mind pulling, no problem. Just don't settle for no answer, tell them which subjob you use depends on the answer.

Step 3. Change subjob as appropriate. /RNG, /WAR, /DNC, /NIN... all a possibility. I tend to default to /DNC these days, but I'll /NIN for pulling and /RNG for pure DD+buffs if the party won't benefit as much from /DNC (maybe they have plenty of support already).
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#14 Jul 01 2009 at 6:48 PM Rating: Decent
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ASKING THEM BEFORE YOU ACCEPT THE PARTY OR COME TO CAMP


A solution, next to that say NA ONRY as well, because JP/FR/GER won't understand. The autotranslate still lacks key terms for the game, fisherman - along with most other slang descirptions don't work and discourage inv.
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#15 Jul 01 2009 at 8:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm trying to lvl COR now. If I go to a pt as /nin or /rng it feels like I'm just grinding rng again - but more expensive, less dmg and I have to worry about buffs.


That's the job. Why are you levelling COR if not to be a ranged attacker with buffs? That's how the job is described, its how the job is geared, it's how it should be played.

I wish people would look at the **** AF before signing on to the job. We're loaded with AGI and RACC. What do you think we're supposed to do with that gear. Toss it aside for some All Job MP gear?
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#16 Jul 01 2009 at 10:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Siralin wrote:
NovaLevossida wrote:
Siralin wrote:
Dryr wrote:
I'm trying to lvl COR now. If I go to a pt as /nin or /rng it feels like I'm just grinding rng again - but more expensive, less dmg and I have to worry about buffs.


ITT: BAWWWWWW :'(


Idiot.


If they don't enjoy leveling it, why bother? They don't have to level the job. Just like they don't have to come here and whine about the costs.


No arguments there. I just dislike the BAWWW **** people do.
#17 Jul 02 2009 at 3:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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Dryr wrote:
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ASKING THEM BEFORE YOU ACCEPT THE PARTY OR COME TO CAMP


A solution, next to that say NA ONRY as well, because JP/FR/GER won't understand. The autotranslate still lacks key terms for the game, fisherman - along with most other slang descirptions don't work and discourage inv.


"{Sub} {Job} {Ninja}? {Ranger}?"

Fisherman has never failed for me in the last two years either.
#18 Jul 02 2009 at 6:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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if you complain about the grind or shooting being too expensive.

GO PLAY BRD
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Armant wrote:
No DRG for party, camp spot site with 30 dmg, but is it for 20 like 30 dmg when you no hit be it for dd, for 30 dmg instead? or half is 10 for 20 dmg?

Omegag wrote:
Cor should just be using dice rolls and helping with cures anyway

Dynamis Member while prepping for Dynamis Qufim wrote:
Is this where treasure hunter feet drop?

#19 Jul 02 2009 at 7:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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Eiden wrote:
"{Sub} {Job} {Ninja}? {Ranger}?"


I think using {Support job} would be better. I don't know for sure how {sub} gets translated into JP or other languages, but it could be referring to the sandwich (since we do have those in ffxi), or it could translate into "under" which is sort of what subjob means anyway, but it might not have the same connotation in other languages. It could also translate into "substitute."

Edited, Jul 2nd 2009 11:11am by KaishenRamuh
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#20 Jul 02 2009 at 7:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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I think in this instance, {Sub} refers to the shield equipment slot. It probably translates as such.
#21 Jul 02 2009 at 9:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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. I don't know for sure how {sub} gets translated into JP or other languages


You can say the same thing about (support job). I might mean your sub or it could mean the same as (back line job) which has debatable meaning as well...



Edited, Jul 2nd 2009 12:59pm by Dryr
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#22 Jul 02 2009 at 10:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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Tarqs wrote:
if you complain about the grind or shooting being too expensive.

GO PLAY BRD


This is the correct answer.

shoot or GTFO!
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Eiden wrote:
Dryr wrote:
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ASKING THEM BEFORE YOU ACCEPT THE PARTY OR COME TO CAMP


A solution, next to that say NA ONRY as well, because JP/FR/GER won't understand. The autotranslate still lacks key terms for the game, fisherman - along with most other slang descirptions don't work and discourage inv.


"{Sub} {Job} {Ninja}? {Ranger}?"

Fisherman has never failed for me in the last two years either.


Fisherman has been the accepted term for puller used by both NA and JP for as long as I can remember(started in december '04) and I'm fairly sure the FR and GR communities know that as well. The only people who don't know what fisherman in party context implies are in the dunes, or are the idiots who've gotten to 75 without ever reading a search comment.
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Dryr wrote:
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. I don't know for sure how {sub} gets translated into JP or other languages


You can say the same thing about (support job). I might mean your sub or it could mean the same as (back line job) which has debatable meaning as well...


Except that support job is the actual official term for your sub, and there is an autotranslate for {Support role job} which covers what you are discussing.
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#25 Jul 02 2009 at 1:45 PM Rating: Decent
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KaishenRamuh wrote:
Eiden wrote:
"{Sub} {Job} {Ninja}? {Ranger}?"


I think using {Support job} would be better. I don't know for sure how {sub} gets translated into JP or other languages, but it could be referring to the sandwich (since we do have those in ffxi), or it could translate into "under" which is sort of what subjob means anyway, but it might not have the same connotation in other languages. It could also translate into "substitute."

Edited, Jul 2nd 2009 11:11am by KaishenRamuh


/RNG, /NIN

If the JPs can't understand that and heaven forbid if the NAs can't figure it out, I wouldn't worry about hitting Tab and taking up that much space on a line for <Support job>.
#26 Jul 06 2009 at 9:44 AM Rating: Default
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The way I see it, COR is a buffer first and foremost. If I wanted to be DD and shoot all the time, I would have just leveled RNG.
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