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#52 Jun 24 2009 at 8:28 AM Rating: Good
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People do abuse the term, yes, but that doesn't mean princess players don't exist.


Yeah, but the whole point in me originally calling out the OP on his off-handed "princess COR" comment was that he was pulling out the princess card while obviously not understanding what the job even does (though I do respect coming and asking questions about stuff you don't understand to gain knowledge).

If you don't know that it's not very reasonable for a COR at a merit camp to buff, pull, and DD at the same time, and you're complaining about them not adding enough DD... you don't get to talk about "princess COR" when they're not using damaging QDs instead of Light Shot.
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#53 Jun 24 2009 at 9:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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If you don't know that it's not very reasonable for a COR at a merit camp to buff, pull, and DD at the same time, and you're complaining about them not adding enough DD... you don't get to talk about "princess COR" when they're not using damaging QDs instead of Light Shot.


Truly. THe princess COR statement came out pretty early for a COR whose only major error was light shotting from a distance rather than at camp. It's quite possible he was a new COR and had only partied with a few roaming meripos prior to this.

The fact that he was willing to come to a meripo without and BRD and with a WHM healer proves that he wasn't a true princess COR. No real princess COR ever parties with that setup.

One of the problems with the internet is that arguments and rants often only have one side. We don't really know what was in the mind of the bad COR. Was he new to meripos? Was this his first pulling assignment? DId he even have /NIN as a sub to protect himself on the pull back to camp? Calling this COR out seems a bit presumptuous esp since the OP seemed to think a COR can DD (both shooting and QD), pull and buff in a fast-paced meripo.
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#54 Jun 25 2009 at 7:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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"princess COR" and "princess BRD" make you sound like you're dissing a woman because she wouldn't @#%^ you. i know i'm talking to a wall, but i wish people could get it through their heads that people... actually... are... entitled... to... choose... who... they... party... with... regardless of how it makes you feel. read it slow, take it all in.


Yes, and being choosy/demanding to the realm of unreasonableness is what defines you as a princess to the populace. Get THAT through your head.


You need to understand that people who play at peak performance (which is significantly more than 18k an hour) are not unreasonable in refusing gimp setups. That doesn't mean they are saying the gimps shouldn't be exping, but you make it sound like you want to force CORs to party without a Bard. Who in their right mind would actually choose to do that? If a party leader or other member ever told me to pull, buff and shoot I would tell them to change to Bard, as they would be more useful. Everyone but Bard and Corsair are a dime a dozen in merits. Do the math.
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#55 Jun 25 2009 at 7:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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let's make up a word for "people who have MNK DRG SAM BRD at 75". because THERE ARE such people! it's important that we develop a terminology for it.


OK, sure, go for it. But you do realize that now you sound like you're arguing just for the sake of looking silly, right?


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#56 Jun 25 2009 at 7:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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Fynlar wrote:

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Subjective term is subjective.


It's really not hard to know what is reasonable and what is not. Use your head.


Apparently it is for you.

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If you truly don't know, you'd best start learning.


See below.


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The problem with terms like "princess JOB" comes when people abuse it.

"This princess COR left because we're making 15k/hr."
"This princess COR left because we don't have a BRD."
"This princess COR left because we're making 5k/hr..."
"This princess COR left because we're 6/6 and have no healer, not even a /DNC....."
"This princess COR left because we wiped to 4 G.Colibri in a row......."


People do abuse the term, yes, but that doesn't mean princess players don't exist. It's understandable for people to excuse themselves from parties like the bolded ones above, for instance.
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You forgot one -> it is unreasonable for people to call a COR princess because they left due to a lack of a Bard. The rest of the party are greedy for expecting the COR to shell out a signficant increase in gil to their own amount spent, to justify staying on their bandwagon dd job. Get one of them to switch to Brd or boot them, and the COR can now stay. Problem solved.



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#57 Jun 25 2009 at 2:47 PM Rating: Good
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I do think its funny that all DD's want to merit with a BRD but the ssecond a COR wants to merit with a BRD, he/she's a princess.

I've long argued that COR takes the place of a DD in a meripo, not the place of the BRD. But trying to get that through the collective mind of vanadielians is like pulling teeth.

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#58 Jun 25 2009 at 4:17 PM Rating: Decent
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People who call support jobs "princess" are the same people who think they're the main character and need to play teh omg strong melee job with the giant sword, and would never touch a support job anyway. Same people who whine that strangers won't help them for free, same people that whine endgame is too hard, etc.

Of course when there are 20 melee DDs seeking and 1 support job, it's that 1 person's fault for being picky, and not the 20 people's fault for being selfish entitled melee-onry kiddies.
#59 Jun 25 2009 at 7:06 PM Rating: Decent
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People who call support jobs "princess" are the same people who think they're the main character and need to play teh omg strong melee job with the giant sword, and would never touch a support job anyway.

This statement would be slightly more convincing if this discussion weren't taking place in the Corsair forum.

I suppose no one posting in this thread would touch a support job?
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#60 Jun 25 2009 at 8:54 PM Rating: Decent
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This statement would be slightly more convincing if this discussion weren't taking place in the Corsair forum.


Well TBH the person that brought the whole princess COR comment to the forum was not a COR. We've just been responding and debating that issue.

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#61 Jun 25 2009 at 10:21 PM Rating: Good
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****, i'm not even a COR (it's one of my few level 1 jobs), and i didn't have BRD75 until 09 if i recall (maybe the end of 08, i'm bad with memory). i've been seeking out BRDs, RDMs, and DDs to party since well before there was such a thing as COR, and i've long thought the "princess" term was simply the product of dumb, entitled idiots getting mad at BRDs for not accepting their blind invites.

i AM that guy who wants to play the DD job b/c he thinks his hot shot DD is going to carry the day. nonetheless, *i'm not a fucking idiot*, so i don't get mad at someone if they don't want to party with me. when i meet a BRD (or a DRK, or a RDM, or a PUP) who thinks they know more than me and that the PT setup i choose won't work, i don't think they're choosy princesses, i think they're ignorant noobs who could be getting 20k+ with me but will instead be waiting in their mog house for the next BG lurking noob to invite them to 4SAM 1RDM 1BRD.

you're a COR who doesn't want to pull? i've met some awesome COR pullers; better than most BRDs i've met, who contributed barely a dent into the DD parse but carried the party to infinite chain and great XP. does this suddenly mean that you're obligated to do that? am i the only sane person around such that i have to *explain* why no, you aren't obligated...? only play COR if you can DD and let someone else pull? fine with me. will you always have a spot in my parties? i don't know. who cares? "but PRINCESS COR/BRDs think they can tell ME what to do!" no they don't, ***. noobs think setups they don't understand won't work, and other people *have every right to simply not want to party with you*.

all that said, it sounded like the COR described in the OP was just a ****** puller. if you get the mobs attention and won't bring it back to camp when it's necessary (though of course it isn't always), you've missed something pretty obvious and easy. eh.

and all that said, for just some straight honesty: when i meet someone who goes off about "princess" [jobs], all i think is "this guy is a fucking idiot". right or wrong, that's my impression. do you really want to be that dummy who parrots what some idiot ******* about on alla? or do you want to learn about the game, have some fun, get some XP, etc etc?
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#62 Jun 26 2009 at 5:42 AM Rating: Good
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he was pulling out the princess card while obviously not understanding what the job even does


Sadly most people COR and NON COR lvl'ers can't even get this part right.

I just recently spent 200-220k on my 12 stack of steel bullet pouches. Now I know that alone isnt gonna entitle me to my leeth4xorz merit pt, but for a casual player like me that doesnt have much time online to do simple things (farming being one of them) then you better be sure im gonna be pretty selective on what 5 other people imma be shooting these bullets for when they're not exactly a daily purchase for me.

At most i give the PT the benefit of the doubt, sometimes I use my "empress/emperor duration" rule and then call it a day for set ups that simply aren't worth the limited playtime I have.

If that makes me a princess then wait right there, i'll go get my opo crown from Mog House to complete the look :)

Edited, Jun 26th 2009 9:43am by KazumeSR
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Call me a princess but I seek with fisherman no thanks in my search comment to deter those invites who feel that they can get you to pull, buff, shoot, oh and can you sub WHM to be our main healer as well so we can cram the party fuller with DRK WAR SAM please? If the party's going ok and the puller leaves, I'll step in and cover it - but just putting that search comment up tends to deter the worst invites who don't have a clue what a COR is other than it's a BRD with a gun so it can just bring the colibri and do pretty dice thingees.
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#64 Jul 11 2009 at 4:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Work is SOOOOOOOOOOOO boring at 7am and I just happened to find this thread again and I thought I might defend some of my comments.

1. From NA launch - 2007 I was RDM onry. I fully understand the plight of those playing in support roles of DD's. Its much less fun than face ******* colibri with two handed weapons and often a thankless job. I only finished leveling DRK within the last year and I will be honest that I love putting up fatty numbers and stroking my epeen MUCH MUCH more than being a heal/dia/erase/haste bot. Still to this day, and as recently as two days ago, I am willing to change from DRK/SAM back to good old RDM/WHM just to make a party happen. In that last party, myself, the cor and the brd were working our butts off and the Windower exp monitor was clocking 22K/hour without rings and everyone was happy. The BRD pulled, slept and only did march, minuet (no ballad for me). The COR was doing, I think, WAR and COR rolls(might have been war and drk or sam not sure) for the DD's and SMN and COR rolls for me and light shooting big pulls with multiple adds but when there was nothing to sleep he would OCCASIONALLY ranged DD or help me out by casting erase on some of the elegies. And I was stuck in haste rotation, making sure to hit the BRD for shadows recast, dia3, erasing the person who got hit with dia3, refreshing the COR and curing the meat bags. So yes, I am not just a 2 hander coming in here to ***** to you all about how not hard your jobs are. I know how hard you're jobs are and I appreciate those of you who are willing to play as hard as you can and not rest on your laurels.

2. My comment in my 2nd post was a little too broad in acusing most of the brd/cor community of being princess' and for that I'm sorry.

3. The COR that sparked the thread was, however, Princess ******* Stuffypants and deserves a swift kick in the vag. He was more than likely slowing down kill speed by sleeping mobs where they were instead up pulling with something cheap and dirty like ice ninjutsu and then light shot at camp...the party still had to roam making his light shot nothing more than a 'marker' for which bird to run to next. So between light shots once every 60 seconds and a roll every 60 seconds he was litteraly standing around waiting for the party to kill doing nothing. Please don't tell me you cant be bothered to shoot atleast once per mob when im watching you do nothing on my buddies screen. Shooting ********* cheapo ammo would have been so much more helpfull than doing nothing for lengths of time ranging between 30-60 seconds.

/rant...work is stupid @_@
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