"I can't be bothered to pull, buff and shoot"Follow

Bad corsair is Bad.

Anyways, I would have booted him on the spot soon as he said that. You honestly would have been xping faster without him and another melee instead. Light shotting a mob where it pops and standing next to it is just a waste, as the party could just kill what they are fighting and voke pull while running to the next. If you're corsair pulling, should r.attk at max range and pull to camp, stand there till melee pull it off (FIRST PULL ONLY), then go out and start r.attk pull and light shot at camp. I usually don't end up having time to shoot between pulls and buffs, but I tend to have enough tp to slug every 10-12 pulls, even using Peacemaker and its low tp return.

I like your whm.

I might be a bad COR then. I'd be willing to join a party like that if the DDs weren't complete fail.

OP: COR pulling isn't like BRD pulling. We can't hand out sleeps every 25 seconds. It's not exactly hard though, and you sure as hell don't sleep a mob and expect the pt to run over to it. You might as well just be roaming.

A party like that shouldn't even be worrying about sleeping links after the first few minutes. There should be nothing to link to when pulling.

Generally, yes it's hard for a COR to pull, DD, and buff a 3 roll rotation. Not really any harder than RDM at merit pties with a 3 roll, but it can get pretty out of hand with a 4 roll.

1: Most CORs will pull with a peacemaker since a 600 delay gun isn't great for pulling. This makes shooting steel bullets almost worthless as the weapon has pretty low damage.

2: Your COR wasn't pulling, so he has no excuse. If he had been doinitrite I could understand, but he wasn't.

Just curious, did the SMN pull and do melee buffs? (hastega, acc?)

If so, I may have to try this out.

That's kinda what I meant. In a proper merit pty a COR generally won't have time to do all 3. They can, but the better the pty the harder it gets.



We did this in an altepa pty the other day. PUP DRK SAM PLD WHM SMN, the SMN pulled and held a mob while the pty took down the one that was previously pulled. We got about 9k/hr without a band which is pretty nice.

Main difference between me and that COR is that I never would have joined your party to begin with. I don't like pulling as COR, and I don't need merits that bad. I might, if there was something I really wanted to merit, offer to go bard instead (which isn't an option for a lot of people), but otherwise I'd be quite content to just hang out in Whitegate until I got a party that met my established standard.

It may sound slightly snobbish, but I have close to 600 merits now and I really don't enjoy meriting at all anymore unless it's fast paced and going well. I don't see a reason why I should bother when I could be doing something I enjoy more, like reading a book, watching a movie, or just talking to friends.

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Using light shot only is fine (expected, actually), rolls were solid, and there shouldn't be any time to DD with 4x DDs killing mobs. The only dumb thing the OP's COR was doing is light shot on the mobs where they spawn - don't light shot mobs where they spawn, pull them back to the party THEN sleep them. You'll gain a little TP as you pull, for an OCCASIONAL ranged WS. But that's infrequent, and frankly not that impressive of a contribution anyway if you're using a low delay/low damage Peacemaker.

Pulling is best done with a Peacemaker for low delay. If this COR didn't have a Peacemaker, you can still deal with a larger delay gun (and more risk of stolen pulls) or a throwing weapon (good ol' darts), or even ninjutsu if /NIN.

NOW... one important thing the OP never mentioned. COR is a much worse puller if not /NIN, to the point where I won't pull on anything else. I will always ask party leaders who is pulling before I leave for camp, and I will never pull on anything but /NIN. I don't even mind pulling for most random pick up groups, but you damn well better tell me you want me to pull BEFORE we're at camp. I know that many times parties won't tell you in advance, then once everyone's at camp they expect the COR to pull. BAD BAD BAD.

If this COR was on something besides /NIN, maybe /RNG or /WAR, that could explain why they were reluctant to shoot and bring a mob to the party and were instead doing that goofy light shot where the mob spawned. If it was me, I'd have said {Good Bye!} party if they wanted me to pull on non-/NIN and didn't forewarn me. In that case though, you're better off with a roaming party instead of designating someone poorly equipped to pull as a "puller" and then have everyone run to that person anyway. Then your COR can melee/WS and buff with the party.



PROTIP: The reason you're sub-defaulted on this reply is "princess COR". Especially when you openly admit you don't even really understand COR by coming on to this forum and asking.

I completely respect admitting ignorance and asking questions to people who do know about the job. I do it myself quite a bit. But throwing around stupid talk like "princess COR" = yeah...

Edited, Jun 21st 2009 2:47pm by Anza

It's pretty much a certainty that you'll get better EXP/hour with a BRD than without one. Why would you even bother posting this?

Nobody's saying that you NEED a BRD to get EXP. It's that it's better with one than without one, and someone like a COR, who generally spends money to EXP and is highly popular, is probably going to want to join the best party possible, not any party that comes across them.

I need a brd to experience. Not because I cannot pull, but just because I dont want to. I say why not be picky on COR merit parties, all the really good players want a COR.

Now in pickup exp, being a princess is hard, but many of us just don't do much or any pickup exp/merit parties anymore. I simply don't have the time for it. If a party isn't forming with people I know, I generally don't even change to COR.

IMO, there is nothing wrong with being a princess COR.

Yeah the SMN was doing hastega and predator claws.

Why does this sound dirty?

Okay mind out of the gutter. >_<"

That is just one lazy COR, and extremely frugal at that.

I spam bullets in party. >_>"

Everyone has their own playing style but I prefer to be more DD and actually have some fun than stand around and do nothing in between.

"For as many people who say COR are crap if they can't pull, buff, and dps in a party, I often wonder why there are very few people who wonder where all the ranged attack weapons on the above jobs have disappeared to."

well, the main thing is (in MOST cases), you're losing less dmg by having a COR pull then say a RNG or a SAM. In most cases, a COR should be 4th on the dmg list in a pt (though somehow I usually end up 2nd or 3rd). The COR can still keep all his rolls up without too much trouble and can also SLEEP the pull, which is something many of those other jobs simply cannot do. A RNG could using sleep bolts, sure. THF maybe but their crappy marksmanship skill makes that a bit of a risky proposition.

If you're talking a non-merit type situation though, I'd go the other way and say the THF or RNG or whoever should be pulling. If you're not chaining infinitely, you're not losing any dmg on the pull at all. Maybe the puller leaves a bit early to get the next mob but it's not like he's prevented from DDing at all like a merit COR would be.

All this talk of pulling reminds me of the good old days when a random DD would pull lol. A lot of them were scared sh*tless it seemed, that or just faked it to get out of pulling. Back when worrying about links was actually an issue lol. I remember in places like the nest (crawlers) or bibiki (goblins), one bad [pull could result in a full wipe lol. God this game is so much easier now :).

This always makes me lol.

There's a difference between "need" and "want".

It wouldn't be overly difficult to play one-handed, but why bother? Just to prove to some random dime-a-dozen allanoob that you can? There's no incentive.

Just because you refuse setups that you judge to be sh*t doesn't mean you couldn't survive and scrape by with 18k/hr or whatever in them. It just means that you don't want to bother working like a whore for table scraps.

Fully agree with Kerb; anytime "infinite chains" are mentioned as a testimony to good merit results, it's an eye-roller.

Really? In a meripo where all i'm doing is pulling, I'll usually go through a stack of light cards (3500-4800/stack), 2-3 squid sushi's (12k/stack), about a third stack of shihei (2k/stack) and a stack of bullets (4-8k/stack) and 10-20 steel bullets for the odd slug shot (20k /stack). So I can easily come out 15k down in a 3 hour meripo.

A SAM uses one marinara pizza which are 6k I believe. Some melee will come /NIN and burn through a half stack of shihei to add 1k gil. A RDM uses a marron glace for 4k. Other than RNG, I'm not seeing a lot of consumable use amongst most party members. In a colibri camp its even worse where the melee typically eat nothing or maybe some meat mithkabobs (4k a stack). They might get unlucky and burn through a couple stacks of those.

Most COR's will spend twice as much per meripo as any other DD save RNG. So I think that gives COR's a bit of a right to determine who we party with. I'm not one of those COR"s as I'll pretty much go out with anyone. But I'll geenrally leave a crap party if I'm spending too much for too little reward.

I'd argue that COR is one of the few jobs that actually does need a BRD to perform well. We are a support/DD hybrid job. To do that you have to have some other job pulling. BRD is the only job in meripo that is superior to COR as puller.

A COR without a BRD is a meripo puller/buffer. Reasonable work if you can get it but it hardly puts all those hard-earned merits and gear to good use. I could pull a meripo on COR naked with a light staff, peacemaker and light cards. I wouldn't consider that peak performance.

A COR with a BRD is a buffer, damage dealer or even support healer (/DNC). We can definitely put out good damage with QD every 50 sec, TP gain with Joyeuse and a pretty strong WS in SLugshot. That's what I call truly performing the job as intended (wtf would SE load us with gear heavy on RACC, RATT, STR and AGI if we weren't meant to DD).

Just my point of view.

let's make up a word for "people who have MNK DRG SAM BRD at 75". because THERE ARE such people! it's important that we develop a terminology for it. i mean, sure, the offensive and stupid term 'princess BRD' came about through enough people feeling saaaaad that they met a BRD one time who force DC'd from their party and that seems silly, but it's totally valid. i mean, that BRD you met was UNREASONABLE! that BRD exists, so we needed a term to cover other plainly unreasonable people. we also need terms for people with MNK DRG SAM BRD at 75. and of course people with WAR RDM WHM DRG RNG at 75. that has to be another term.

Subjective term is subjective.

The problem with terms like "princess JOB" comes when people abuse it.

"This princess COR left because we're making 15k/hr."
"This princess COR left because we don't have a BRD."
"This princess COR left because we're making 5k/hr..."
"This princess COR left because we're 6/6 and have no healer, not even a /DNC....."
"This princess COR left because we wiped to 4 G.Colibri in a row......."

It gets watered down and meaningless. If anything, people hear someone complain about a princess, and the logical assumption is "The so-called princess left because your party sucks..." But "sucks" is subjective too.

In the end, everyone wants fast, easy, fun exp. People will have differing opinions about what's fast enough to be worth their time. Healers and pullers especially will have a specific tolerance for how stressful of a party they'll tolerate. And everyone has their own definition of fun. You can bash on people for being rude or condescending or force d/cing. But making judging remarks on someone, just because your standards are lower than theirs, is silly and futile. Just ignore them and find someone else to play with.

OK, sure, go for it. But you do realize that now you sound like you're arguing just for the sake of looking silly, right?




It's really not hard to know what is reasonable and what is not. Use your head.

Not knowing these kinds of things can get you in trouble with the law in real life. If you truly don't know, you'd best start learning.




People do abuse the term, yes, but that doesn't mean princess players don't exist. It's understandable for people to excuse themselves from parties like the bolded ones above, for instance.

But just because some high school kids abuse the term "gay" and apply it to things that it should not be applied to does not mean that there's no such thing as homosexuals.




Right, and the extreme opinions will still get you labeled as a princess, nonetheless. As stated, it's really not hard to know what is reasonable. Insisting that a certain job is in your party, or that a certain job is never in your party, is just one of the many ways for me to brand you as one.

Don't like it? Try being less of a nazi.




If you're being a cockbite, I will certainly call you out as such. I already know it isn't going to change your behavior, but that doesn't stop you from being what you are.




Anyone can be a princess player. It just applies more to jobs like BRD and COR because "everyone wants them" and therefore more of them feel they are more entitled to be choosy than anyone else.

In my opinion, COR does have the right to not want to pull, and have a BRD do it, but also, if you're gonna pass on pulling duties, you better be ready to do something else to help the party. Myself personally, won't join a merit party if there is no BRD pulling, but I also spent a lot of gil getting my gear to the point where I can essentially be the 4th DD. Sure I'm not putting up SAM or DRG like numbers, but I hold my own pretty well, and have no problems spamming Slug Shot with Steel Bullets and keeping up 2-3 rolls always (COR and Chaos always, and using Evoker's if the mage is getting a bit low).

I have left parties with the other people pretty impressed with my output, and always have requests to go party with them again. I put in my seacom that I do not wish to pull, and always ask before accepting an invite, as to not cause drama once we reach camp. I feel that is my right as someone who sunk a lot of money into not being the prototypical sit back, buff, and in some cases, forced to /WHM and backup heal COR. Too often people consider COR to just be a support job, when it has been stated many times it's a Support/DD hybrid job, and I plan on playing both parts of that equation so that I can enjoy my time meriting, and that is what it's about anyway, right? If we aren't having fun, what are we doing?

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