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New Corsair, Subjob woesFollow

#1 Apr 30 2009 at 8:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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Just recently picked up Corsair and have started levelling it. Let me start by saying it's awesome.

With that being said, let me start by saying I've had my heart set on COR/RNG, and after all I've read it's the cat's meow. My issue comes with the fact that I only have WHM levelled to 12. The plan is WHM until 22, then pick up the gun and go COR/RNG (I have Marksmanship levelled via THF)

Now comes the issue. The past couple groups I've been in (Dunes and Korroloka ftw) have praised me and my /whm, and have gone with disgust even at the thought of my COR/RNG later on. I've been shot with ridicule about how I'm a support class and would be better off benefiting the party via backup healing.

So did I just get an unlucky streak and party with a group of people with Bard Goggles or do I really have to make the painful levelling of WHM to 37 before I can start the job I love without ridicule?

(Note: I do plan on levelling WHM, just not now. I'll be levelling that along with ninja when the time comes, but for now I just want to play the job I've come to love)

Edited, May 1st 2009 12:35am by CelestialEilae
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#2 Apr 30 2009 at 9:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Different servers must have different players. I was never asked to sub WHM from 1-75 and beyond. I subbed WHM when I thought it was more beneficial than any other sub (which was basically in one Dynamis).

I subbed RNG from 22-75. At 75 I've subbed RNG, NIN or DNC depending on the party needs. In events I usually sub NIN or RDM depending on what were fighting and doing.

no one has ever questioned my sub choice.

In fact, I believe there was a quote that went like this: "whenever I've been invited to a party no one cared what sub I came as they just cared that I came"
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#3 Apr 30 2009 at 9:14 PM Rating: Good
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No, you dont need /whm for exp levels at all. But from 1-20 most subs dont offer much, so whm is giving you more than /war does. /rng just gives sharpshot. It hardly matters.

But that quickly changes.
COR is not BRD. You are better off subbing /dnc for healing (at whatever lvl you get a diffrent JAs from it. I forget atm) than /whm anyway at levels over 30 maybe?

As a side note, when you were /whm you were not stabbing the mobs with swords and fastblading them? If not, you failed to show them DD...
Every DD sucks then, even with just a sword, its easy to be top dd vs full DD jobs are people are morons, dont eat food, and make retarded gear choices.

DD COR 1-75 only. Don't listen to anyone that says differently, they are wrong.
Even if they have 75 COR, they are wrong.
Its not like the party can do without you. Everyone is more expendable than a COR.

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#4 May 01 2009 at 5:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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/RNG will be you're absolute best option in 99% of every party to 75. only exceptions:
  • Low-level your better off subbing WHM,BRD or even PUP
  • /NIN for pulling fast moving mobs.

Once your 75, /MAGE is an option with /RDM being your best choice.
/DNC is a much better sub then /WHM in nearly every scenario.

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#5 May 01 2009 at 6:52 AM Rating: Good
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The VAST majority of people you'll run into really don't understand COR. They think they do and might know what certain rolls do and think "hey...we have a WAR in the party, let's do Fighter's Roll for more double attack", and not realize that the DD's are WAR w/ Joyeuse, SAM with Soboro, RNG and COR with Ranged Attacks.

Do your research, learn your job and what the rolls do and what works best for a given situation...and do what you can to stick with those.

Last night I had a perfect time to use Chaos + Corsairs in a 4 SAM, RDM, COR merit party, and they wanted Samurai + Fighters. I ended up just rolling Chaos/Corsair's and we were killing just fast enough where we were pushing repops at the easier Mamool camp.

Point being, you know /RNG is the way to go. Trust yourself :)
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#6 May 01 2009 at 8:55 AM Rating: Default
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Go whatever you want. WHM, DNC, RNG, WAR...the benefits each bring are minor relative to the buffs you provide imo. I've been DNC the whole way and while a couple people have asked if I had a different sub (they didn't ask me to switch, they were just curious I guess) not one single party has complained and not one single party has gotten bad xp and I feel I contributed a lot, despite my gimp damage. I'll also say that no party should need you to backup heal. If they do, the problem isn't you it's someone else.
#7 May 01 2009 at 9:35 AM Rating: Good
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Esoa wrote:
Go whatever you want. WHM, DNC, RNG, WAR...the benefits each bring are minor relative to the buffs you provide imo. I've been DNC the whole way and while a couple people have asked if I had a different sub (they didn't ask me to switch, they were just curious I guess) not one single party has complained and not one single party has gotten bad xp and I feel I contributed a lot, despite my gimp damage.

Sorry not to be a bish but....
Esoa wrote:
I'll also say that no party should need you to backup heal. If they do, the problem isn't you it's someone else.

Esoa wrote:
I've been DNC the whole way

Those two thoughts are counter intuitive, are they not?

Esoa wrote:
I feel I contributed a lot, despite my gimp damage.

I feel my gimp damage contributed a lot.

Not a sentence to be proud of mate.
/RNG is your best option to 75 unless you are pulling fast moving mobs.

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#8 May 01 2009 at 4:21 PM Rating: Good
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Thanks for the replies everyone.

It was just disheartening to be attacked so early on regarding subjob. My plan was /RNG, and I'm gonna stick to it. Cheers =D
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#9 May 01 2009 at 4:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Admiral Viska wrote:

Sorry not to be a bish but....
Esoa wrote:
I'll also say that no party should need you to backup heal. If they do, the problem isn't you it's someone else.

Esoa wrote:
I've been DNC the whole way

Those two thoughts are counter intuitive, are they not?

Esoa wrote:
I feel I contributed a lot, despite my gimp damage.

I feel my gimp damage contributed a lot.

Not a sentence to be proud of mate.
/RNG is your best option to 75 unless you are pulling fast moving mobs.

~Ath


So you're narrowing COR down to bringing nothing to a party but pure DPS, and /DNC as bringing nothing but pure healing. Gotcha, I can see why you would be confused. Heck, who needs powerful group buffs or to reduce the mob's evasion or sleeping or dispelling. I guess the job I do pulling mobs to the party (which I do in nearly every PT I'm in) so they can kill more mobs in a given timeframe, that's worthless as well. All that matters is the OMGCORDD.

/RNG isn't vastly superior like you seem to believe if your party isn't actually earning more xp/hour.

Edited, May 1st 2009 8:46pm by Esoa
#10 May 01 2009 at 4:52 PM Rating: Good
CelestialEilae wrote:
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I lol'd


Sounds like most everyone else is on course. You will more often than not run into people who either

#1 don't play the job
#2 play the job that other people want them to play.
"cor is support, and ppl say support is /whm amidoinitrite???"

Stick to you gut instincts for sure!
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#11 May 04 2009 at 9:08 AM Rating: Good
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CelestialEilae wrote:
Thanks for the replies everyone.

It was just disheartening to be attacked so early on regarding subjob. My plan was /RNG, and I'm gonna stick to it. Cheers =D


^^ Fight the good fight. It seems you're trying to pay attention to do this right, so I'm sure your COR/RNG will open a few people's eyes on your way.

COR/RNG - yes.

COR/NIN - for pulling only, good to have as an option but not your ideal choice (and you're not an ideal puller at low level anyway). Dual wielding R.Acc daggers can help offset some of the loss of /RNG's accuracy bonus job trait.

COR/DNC - If you absolutely need to be more focused on support, it's usually a better option than /mage.

COR/WHM - nope. Not during leveling, maybe (MAYBE) for certain endgame uses. Like a lot of people said, some of those who don't understand COR just see it as another BRD. Those people are wrong.

COR/WAR - some people like it for power. Me, I tend to prefer /RNG when I'm focusing on my DD side.

/RDM, /BLM - situational endgame subs mainly for Quick Draw use
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