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So after 8 months...Canvas Toile and my first AF+1Follow

#1 Apr 30 2009 at 8:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah. 8 months.

Nevertheless, AF+1 Hat or Feet first?

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#2 Apr 30 2009 at 9:16 PM Rating: Default
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I did hat first.

But I don't merit a lot, and mostly use COR for events where TH doesn't matter. Generally as COR/RDM. So the added agl on the hat upped QD acc.
If you have relic feet already, they are mroe or less the same upgrade.
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#3 May 01 2009 at 4:34 AM Rating: Good
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If you have relic feet already, they are mroe or less the same upgrade.


Uh, what?

Commodore
DEF: 16 HP +12 DEX +3 INT +3
Accuracy +5 Enmity -3

VS.

AF+1
DEF: 12 HP +15 STR +5 AGI +5
Ranged Accuracy +4 Accuracy +4

That's not even close. Doing the hat first would be:

AF
DEF 22 HP +8 STR +2
Ranged Accuracy +8
Enchances "Quick Draw" effect

VS.

AF+1
DEF: 23 HP +13 STR +4 AGI +4
Ranged Accuracy +9
Enhances "Quick Draw" effect

So it's +5 HP, +2 STR, +4 AGI, +1 Racc VS. +3 HP, +5 STR, +5 AGI, +4 Racc, -1 Acc. Upgrading feet will give you the most improvement, so I did that first and many people I know who upgraded hat first wished they had gone with feet too. Feet, then hat imo.

Edited, May 1st 2009 5:38am by Filian
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#4 May 01 2009 at 4:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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I upgraded feet first and couldn't be happier. I'll go hat next then body. Congrats.

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#5 May 01 2009 at 7:26 AM Rating: Decent
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grats man, finally got canvas after about 5 months myself, I did feet first.

merit wise, my slugs have shown an improvement.
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#6 May 01 2009 at 7:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for the suggestions fellow pirates.

I think I'll go feet first, then hat, then body, then legs.

I never got AF hands so I'm not even going to worry about them.

It was so weird - been waiting so long for this AF+1 ingredient from Apollyon, and TWO dropped at the same time off the Kerkopses NE Apollyon floor item chest. Fortunately our other COR who's been offline for a few months was there that night and was able to get one too.
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#7 May 01 2009 at 8:54 AM Rating: Good
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TheBarrister wrote:
Thanks for the suggestions fellow pirates.

I think I'll go feet first, then hat, then body, then legs.

I never got AF hands so I'm not even going to worry about them.

It was so weird - been waiting so long for this AF+1 ingredient from Apollyon, and TWO dropped at the same time off the Kerkopses NE Apollyon floor item chest. Fortunately our other COR who's been offline for a few months was there that night and was able to get one too.

Personally I wouldn't even bother upgrading the legs unless your going for completion. War brais are almost as good AGI, and there are a few beter options such as:
  • Commodore Culottes
  • Oily Trousers
  • Denali Kecks
  • Nimue's Tights
Just my Smiley: twocents

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#8 May 01 2009 at 10:31 AM Rating: Decent
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Admiral Viska wrote:
TheBarrister wrote:
Thanks for the suggestions fellow pirates.

I think I'll go feet first, then hat, then body, then legs.

I never got AF hands so I'm not even going to worry about them.

It was so weird - been waiting so long for this AF+1 ingredient from Apollyon, and TWO dropped at the same time off the Kerkopses NE Apollyon floor item chest. Fortunately our other COR who's been offline for a few months was there that night and was able to get one too.

Personally I wouldn't even bother upgrading the legs unless your going for completion. War brais are almost as good AGI, and there are a few beter options such as:
  • Commodore Culottes
  • Oily Trousers
  • Denali Kecks
  • Nimue's Tights
Just my Smiley: twocents

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Ah yes...Denali.

Well if I am still sitting on the 2 AF+1 items and my stockpile of 150+ ancient beastcoins by the time it rolls around...AND I don't have Denali, I'll rethink it.

Obviously not going to go for more AGI if Denali droppeth.
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Congrats.. I went with the Tricorne first, but only because I have Skadi's Jambeaux.. If I didn't, I'd have gone with Bottes +1 first. The order hardly matters though, as you'll want both asap.

Don't wait another 8 months for your 2nd set of items though lol, camp Temenos and Apollyon.

Edited, May 1st 2009 6:18pm by Carrilei
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#10 May 01 2009 at 5:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Uh, what?

Commodore
DEF: 16 HP +12 DEX +3 INT +3
Accuracy +5 Enmity -3

VS.

AF+1
DEF: 12 HP +15 STR +5 AGI +5
Ranged Accuracy +4 Accuracy +4

That's not even close. Doing the hat first would be:

AF
DEF 22 HP +8 STR +2
Ranged Accuracy +8
Enchances "Quick Draw" effect

VS.

AF+1
DEF: 23 HP +13 STR +4 AGI +4
Ranged Accuracy +9
Enhances "Quick Draw" effect

So it's +5 HP, +2 STR, +4 AGI, +1 Racc VS. +3 HP, +5 STR, +5 AGI, +4 Racc, -1 Acc. Upgrading feet will give you the most improvement, so I did that first and many people I know who upgraded hat first wished they had gone with feet too. Feet, then hat imo.


I use relic feet for melee, its +1 acc and + like 4 dex. So all I care about on af+1 feet is the Ranged fumctions. As af feet and head have about the same effect on ranged damage, but the hat boosted my QD agl set more (by 1 agl) I chose it.

Were you thinking using relic feet for ranged or something? I dont really get your comparison's order.

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#11 May 02 2009 at 8:38 PM Rating: Default
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Carrilei wrote:
Congrats.. I went with the Tricorne first, but only because I have Skadi's Jambeaux.. If I didn't, I'd have gone with Bottes +1 first. The order hardly matters though, as you'll want both asap.

Don't wait another 8 months for your 2nd set of items though lol, camp Temenos and Apollyon.

Edited, May 1st 2009 6:18pm by Carrilei


Here's to hoping it doesn't take another 8 months for one zone's item to drop...

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#12 May 03 2009 at 7:38 AM Rating: Decent
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8 months eh? It took me 4 months to go 5/5 on corsair relic in dynamis (that **** belt eludes me though, they don't do CoP areas very much), and our LS just recently started limbus and I've already gotten 2 AF+1 items....Guess I'm just lucky (and no competition, I'm the only Corsair in our LS). Or maybe it's karma for the 2.5 years I spent waiting for BLM hat in dynamis.

I guess I shouldn't complain, having both AF items and not having enough coins is a rather convenient problem to have....Just so far PUP and COR has dropped 4x as many as any other item in limbus -_-; *feels guilty*

Anyways, grats =) I went with Feet first, just now upgraded hat. Body will be last (not bothering with hands or legs).
#13 May 03 2009 at 8:30 AM Rating: Good
The more I read the luckier I feel. I managed to get the items to upgrade 3 of my items to +1 within 2 months.

The order I went was Feet > Hat > Body

The body was a nice holdover until I managed to get the Denali body. Then I haven't looked back at it really. I still carry it around though.

The boots are an amazing upgrade. Many DD sh*t their pants once these first came out. Good luck to obtaining the rest!

Edited, May 3rd 2009 9:30am by Spikido
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#14 May 03 2009 at 9:04 AM Rating: Default
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Thanks.

So is AF+1 Body unnecessary if I already have Denali?
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TheBarrister wrote:
Thanks.

So is AF+1 Body unnecessary if I already have Denali?


I was under the impression that denali was best detonator body and AF+1 body was best slugshot body. Am I off in this thinking?
#16 May 03 2009 at 7:50 PM Rating: Good
Denali Body - agi+10 (r.acc+5) R.atk+9

AF+1 Body - agi+5 (r.acc+2.5) R.acc+10 R.atk+5


Your thinking is accurate as the common thought (I'm assuming) on slug shot is r.acc --> Mods; while Detonator is mods --> r.acc.

However the reduction in r.acc difference compared to the boost in mods is up for personal interpretation for everyone.

At the risk of over simplifying: (7.5 r.acc) or (5 agi and 4 r.atk)
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#17 May 04 2009 at 3:13 AM Rating: Good
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arynel wrote:
TheBarrister wrote:
Thanks.

So is AF+1 Body unnecessary if I already have Denali?


I was under the impression that denali was best detonator body and AF+1 body was best slugshot body. Am I off in this thinking?

This is my personal opinion, take if for what it's worth..

/Rng + meat = Skadi's Cuirie > AF+1
/War + sushi = Skadi's Cuirie > AF+1
/Rng + sushi = Denali Jacket or B.Cotehardie+1/Enkidu's (depends on fSTR2 status)

In that short gathering, the basic idea is that the 22 Raac in traits from /Rng is enough to get a 'pure damage' piece or two in, where you otherwise wouldn't be able to while maintaining a similarly strong hit-rate. Skadi to Denali is losing 9 Raac, so with that you can also, for example, ditch w.hands for Skadi or Alky's.. Or an 11/12 Raac Ring -> 4/5 STR ring, opposit Rajas.

Of course, this is just a basic comparison; if you were to be ranged TPing on Ixion or something, this changes, and you'd want Cuirie/AF+1 even with /Rng and sushi.

*For the most part, "/War" equates to a SJ that isn't granting a notable amount of Raac, so don't take it as only /War.
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#18 May 04 2009 at 9:39 AM Rating: Decent
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Its been 8months?

I still have not seen apolly drop one yet either. I really wish it would, those feet are such a **** pair to be able to wear.

I've done Dynamis once in last 8months and got commodore bottes (lucky)
but they'll will perform better than Dusk shoes in any situation your melee ACC is @ ~80%.

With melee ACC as high as 91%, commodore bottes still perform better than Dusk shoes until your around 40-45% Haste.

Edited, May 4th 2009 1:41pm by Sandmasterr
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So last night we're doing Omega and another Canvas Toile drops. I had to double take and checked the item on wiki just to make sure it was really Cor again.

Oh and two Omega Eyes dropped. That was all. =(
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arynel wrote:
TheBarrister wrote:
Thanks.

So is AF+1 Body unnecessary if I already have Denali?


I was under the impression that denali was best detonator body and AF+1 body was best slugshot body. Am I off in this thinking?

This is my personal opinion, take if for what it's worth..

/Rng + meat = Skadi's Cuirie > AF+1
/War + sushi = Skadi's Cuirie > AF+1
/Rng + sushi = Denali Jacket or B.Cotehardie+1/Enkidu's (depends on fSTR2 status)

In that short gathering, the basic idea is that the 22 Raac in traits from /Rng is enough to get a 'pure damage' piece or two in, where you otherwise wouldn't be able to while maintaining a similarly strong hit-rate. Skadi to Denali is losing 9 Raac, so with that you can also, for example, ditch w.hands for Skadi or Alky's.. Or an 11/12 Raac Ring -> 4/5 STR ring, opposit Rajas.

Of course, this is just a basic comparison; if you were to be ranged TPing on Ixion or something, this changes, and you'd want Cuirie/AF+1 even with /Rng and sushi.

*For the most part, "/War" equates to a SJ that isn't granting a notable amount of Raac, so don't take it as only /War.


Ahem *cough* Mirke wardecors *cough*

MW with RACC 10 & RATT 10 augments is the winner for body pieces for slug or detonator.
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#21 May 05 2009 at 12:21 PM Rating: Good
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TheBarrister wrote:
So last night we're doing Omega and another Canvas Toile drops. I had to double take and checked the item on wiki just to make sure it was really Cor again.

Oh and two Omega Eyes dropped. That was all. =(

lol, grats. I actually just got an eye, as I was helping a friend and it auto-dropped to me after. <_<..


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Ahem *cough* Mirke wardecors *cough*

MW with RACC 10 & RATT 10 augments is the winner for body pieces for slug or detonator.

Er, yeah, though a lot are going -QD/MaB. I did say it was just my personal opinion, so I was going from just my mindset, but I guess I could've noted it ><
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Carrilei wrote:
TheBarrister wrote:
So last night we're doing Omega and another Canvas Toile drops. I had to double take and checked the item on wiki just to make sure it was really Cor again.

Oh and two Omega Eyes dropped. That was all. =(

lol, grats. I actually just got an eye, as I was helping a friend and it auto-dropped to me after. <_<..


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Ahem *cough* Mirke wardecors *cough*

MW with RACC 10 & RATT 10 augments is the winner for body pieces for slug or detonator.

Er, yeah, though a lot are going -QD/MaB. I did say it was just my personal opinion, so I was going from just my mindset, but I guess I could've noted it ><

Thankfully COR has been blessed with a ton of great options for body pieces. I personally have 2 left to acquire for my needs: Corsair's Frac +1 and Skadi Cuirie, and the Frac is just a place holder. Stupid Temenos has been very not nice to me!

With myself already having Denali I chose to go QD-5 MAB+4. I'm trying to be as well rounded of a COR as I can with out sacrificing too much in each dept. Is Auggy better then Denali for WS? Yes, but Denali is marginally close and nothing else competes agains Auggy when it comes to QD.

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