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#1 Apr 26 2009 at 10:34 AM Rating: Good
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I just dinged 75 last week, and now I need a crapload of merits for my COR (which has now become my favorite job in any situation.)

So the other day I got a merit party invite to replace a BRD who was in a 2 BRD party at Bhaflau Thickets via Nyzul Isle.

The guy tells me that the other BRD is the puller anyway, so I will just be expected to buff the DD's and help kill mobs. (I'm guessing he knew I might be reluctant to join if that were not the case for some reason.)

Well I get there, only to find out that the party is fighting Mamool at the top camp and not birds as I had assumed...

Pretty much immediately the entire party started to fall apart, with every member asking for different rolls... the RDM wanted me to do both Evoker's and Dancer's rolls, and the melees argued over whether they wanted Fighter's Roll, Samurai Roll, and Chaos Roll..

Within 5 minutes we had too many mobs for me to keep slept because I only have 2 quickdraws and the Mamool's had pets also, and the melee were subbing /SAM so they were taking so much damage that the RDM couldn't keep up with cures much less help sleep mobs, and the BRD somehow died and homepointed!

I tried to run away, but I died by the tunnel trying to get out ... the RDM runs right over my corpse and doesn't raise me! I sent him a /tell asking for a raise, he says "(I'm Sorry)(No more MP!)" and he just disbanded from the party.

Well at any rate my head was spinning and I started thinking I should have not considered this party since I am not coming as BRD, so don't expect me to be one.

I know this is not your typical experience, in my 5 merit parties so far, 4 of them were doing chain 100+ and everything was great... but this was just a complete mess and the butt-hurt will stay with me for awhile lol.

Anyways, my question to you all is, what do you do if/when you get a similar invitation to replace a BRD?

Do you take those invites to replace BRD's?

Do you stick to Bird parties only and not do Mamool or other camps? (I'm actually thinking of doing this)

Do you only go to new merit parties instead of replacing someone?
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#2 Apr 26 2009 at 11:05 AM Rating: Decent
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BalthezarAsura wrote:
Anyways, my question to you all is, what do you do if/when you get a similar invitation to replace a BRD?

I take the invite and run with it. I don't mind rolling what the leader wants but some people let it get out of handy with the gimmee gimmees. Usually I sick to Chaos/Corsair's

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Do you take those invites to replace BRD's?

As long as they know i'm not pulling. I prefer to do /DNC to merits. Just my thing.

BalthezarAsura wrote:
Do you stick to Bird parties only and not do Mamool or other camps? (I'm actually thinking of doing this)

I prefer birds onry but I don't mind meriting other places. I will always take birds over the other camps any day of the week.

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Do you only go to new merit parties instead of replacing someone?

I do both. Usually I end up getting good parties, but you do get the occasional...OMGWTF PT and get burned. Remember there are @$$holes in every Server, just /blist and move on.

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#3 Apr 26 2009 at 12:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Well at any rate my head was spinning and I started thinking I should have not considered this party since I am not coming as BRD, so don't expect me to be one.


I'm confused at how you got to this point. It sounds like they invited you to do buffs and DD, maybe sleep the occasional mob. What in the party made you feel like they wanted you to be a BRD? The need for extra heals? The added MP from evokers is more than the extra healing a BRD/WHM can help with. Doesn't sound at all like they were expecting you to heal anyways.

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Anyways, my question to you all is, what do you do if/when you get a similar invitation to replace a BRD?


I won't replace a BRD when hes the only one, only when there's a second. It's not worth my time to go out to pull as a replacement because the parties tend to end sooner than I'd like, so I just don't chance it.

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Do you stick to Bird parties only and not do Mamool or other camps? (I'm actually thinking of doing this)


Mamool can actually be better EXP. I'm not picky, sometimes the bird camps are all full. Birds are my first choice because I like the damage I can do against them.
#4 Apr 26 2009 at 12:10 PM Rating: Decent
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that particular camp is one of my favorite camps in the game, there are two things that get rolled there, chaos/cor and refresh for the mage, the brd should be doing march x2, its a harsh camp, but since the melee can use good food there, acc is not a problem, sure you can't do wtf! damage like on colibri, but you rake in more xp/hour there easily.

That camp needs good melee, or things will go bad quickly.
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Consider the possibility that the reason the other bard left is because the party sucked.
#6 Apr 26 2009 at 2:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Honestly, if any merit party is asking for any roll that isn't first corsair's roll, something is wrong. Merit parties should be able to keep up chain without a 2nd buff roll and for the best xp/hr corsair's is a must. So ya, if they are asking for fighter's with sam or chaos, they are either stupid or looking for epeen buffs.

Chaos roll is awesome, especially when you have AF2 hat or a drk. Without a drk, but if you had a sam or war, then maybe sam/fighter's could win out. Sam's roll is only beneficial if it is helping everyone drop a hit, which means if you have one handers in the party chaos would do better.

As for why the rdm was asking for dancer's roll...do they know what it does? The only rolls that really help rdm in merits is evoker's and scholar's. Healer's shouldn't be needed in merit parties, especially if you can only have 1 roll besides corsair's.

And that party probably failed in general if you had a RDM, BRD, and COR yet couldn't keep up sleeping mobs, that is like 10 sleeps per minute which 4 of those should be at least a minute duration.

I've seen some great cor's that /rng and DD, but I've also seen some great cor/whm's. Cor/dnc also looks like a great combo. Corsair's can replace a bard, but they are also a different job that can accomplish similar benefits in their own style.

But ya, if the melees are arguing over drk/war/sam roll's and your rdm is asking for dnc roll, I suggest disbanding or accidentally unplugging your modem and killing a half hour.
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#7 Apr 26 2009 at 4:15 PM Rating: Good
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I'll takes birds over that camp most of the time. If I'm expected to pull, definitely don't want that camp. imo, its the worst camp for a COR puller in the entire game. MJSP you can space out the mamools with puks and there's only a BST and a DRG or two. Nyzul mamools you got 2 DRG 2 BST and a boatload of other linkable mamools. A COR can only sleep 2x per 1:40 (1:30 with QD mirke)... and if you're bringing pet mobs, you run out way too fast. There is no margin for error and those first pulls when the camp is still full of mobs are BRUTAL. It can be done but it's a pain.

Sounds like you weren't pulling though so it shouldnt be too bad.
#8 Apr 26 2009 at 5:24 PM Rating: Good
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People are morons.

I get rude jerks telling me i'm a bard all the time. Just today i accepted an invite to colibri merit and UP FRONT i say i'm not pulling to the leader. As soon as i join i get a hello from everyone with the exception of the E.Body + Ridil WAR/NIN who says 2 things to me.

"{Job Change} {/NIN}"

"{Fisherman} {Pull Back}"

He wasn't JP either because i got called all kinds of names by him in /tell
I just said {Thanks for the offer...} and dropped party straight away, didn't even move from MH.

It's funny but as COR and as a player i don't need merits badly enough to tolerate morons who think they are 'l33t'.
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#9 Apr 26 2009 at 5:46 PM Rating: Good
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I almost always get invited to serve the same purpose a bard would in a merit party. Instead of being anal pr princess-y about it, I just roll with it and have had many great parties as a result. Would I love to party with more BRDs and let them pull while I DD? Heck yeah, but if I waited around for BRD-only parties all the time I would never get all the merits I need. It takes some practice and a slightly different style than a BRD, but don't let anyone tell you that you can't pull extremely well in merit parties.
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#10 Apr 26 2009 at 6:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Consider the possibility that the reason the other bard left is because the party sucked.


LOL... Yeah that was the first thing that crossed my mind as the sh*t started to hit the fan, "no wonder this BRD is leaving" lol.

I really don't mind pulling, I've done it a gazillion times before, I just prefer not to do it on COR.

I think I might just start doing Bird camps and just with newly forming parties.

Not trying to be a "princess" or anything, I just have fun playing COR because I like being up on the mob with the DD's (and most of the time out-damaging them on WS's lol) while at the same time doing buffs and support as well.


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#11 Apr 26 2009 at 7:45 PM Rating: Decent
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BalthezarAsura wrote:
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Consider the possibility that the reason the other bard left is because the party sucked.


LOL... Yeah that was the first thing that crossed my mind as the sh*t started to hit the fan, "no wonder this BRD is leaving" lol.

I really don't mind pulling, I've done it a gazillion times before, I just prefer not to do it on COR.

I think I might just start doing Bird camps and just with newly forming parties.

Not trying to be a "princess" or anything, I just have fun playing COR because I like being up on the mob with the DD's (and most of the time out-damaging them on WS's lol) while at the same time doing buffs and support as well.




Remember, it's not princess at all to refuse to party in an inferior manner. You have the right to exp in the way you wish just as they do. If they choose inferior (high delay gun puller), no need to continue.
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BalthezarAsura wrote:
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Consider the possibility that the reason the other bard left is because the party sucked.


LOL... Yeah that was the first thing that crossed my mind as the sh*t started to hit the fan, "no wonder this BRD is leaving" lol.

I really don't mind pulling, I've done it a gazillion times before, I just prefer not to do it on COR.

I think I might just start doing Bird camps and just with newly forming parties.

Not trying to be a "princess" or anything, I just have fun playing COR because I like being up on the mob with the DD's (and most of the time out-damaging them on WS's lol) while at the same time doing buffs and support as well.




I'll dare you to take it a step further, do just go with newly formed parties, make your own, its harder as you have to find a brd seeking on know one willing to pull, but you can have " your" idead setup, I don't expext my cors to pull as I don't pull on cor, but I have the advantage of cor and brd.
I look out for one handers, someone has to.

the poster above said that that camp is a nightmare to pull at as cor, and it is, doable, I don't know, I'd never do it, but I'd never make a cor pull there either, that camp is not a simple brd cor sam x3 camp, you have to have a good setup and good melee, a war for voke (hope he's good) and a drk if you don't have AF2 hat, and for the last melee, its a toss up, a good thf here is priceless, 2 minute feint is sick, and mnks just rock this place.

it all depends in your setup, but with no thf, the brd does have to be smart enough to drop a madrigal for the thf and nin mobs or you will lose chain.

and again, as for pulling there, any pt that asks you to pull there as cor, walk away as soon as they ask, its not worth it. I look out for my cor and one hander brothers, but not many people do, so be smart in how you pt, make your own and you'll be disappointed less.
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#13 Apr 26 2009 at 10:29 PM Rating: Good
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I get rude jerks telling me i'm a bard all the time. Just today i accepted an invite to colibri merit and UP FRONT i say i'm not pulling to the leader. As soon as i join i get a hello from everyone with the exception of the E.Body + Ridil WAR/NIN who says 2 things to me.

Looks like you got a kid who thinks he's cool for wearing botted 2004 gear. Ridill war fucking sucks in merits. And /NIN too? Should have asked him if he'd prefer to kill weapons in sky.
#14 Apr 27 2009 at 6:59 AM Rating: Decent
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A bad party in upper nyzul mamool camp is a recipe for disaster. Done right its probably the best xp camp in the game. Done poorly, its certain death. I've seen both.

I agree with the poster that said," I they don't ask for Corsairs roll, somethings wrong."

A good meripo with a BRD there already should only need COR/Chaos/Evokers to function at a high level. If not, then the melee are gimped. At that camp they can eat pizza and go to town. If they can't chain with Chaos/March x 2, and food buffs, there gear/skills are a problem.

And why were they relying on the COR to sleep? You have a RDM with Sleep and sleep II, a BRD with foe and horde lullaby and a COR with light shot x 2 (and more if you use RD and WC).

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Looks like you got a kid who thinks he's cool for wearing botted 2004 gear. Ridill war @#%^ing sucks in merits. And /NIN too? Should have asked him if he'd prefer to kill weapons in sky.


I'd have just asked him when he dropped, " Are you afraid I'll outparse you?"

Slug shot > rampage on birds.
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#16 Apr 27 2009 at 9:34 AM Rating: Good
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Since when do parties get to pick the roll they get? I'd be happy to listen to input, but when it comes down to it... 9/10ths of the population has no clue what a COR is capable of and the only CORs they've partied with are bad ones. I like to /war, and drop down dmg with the other DDs. I do evoker's for the mage always, and tailor DD rolls off of the situation/setup. For birds, I normally like Chaos + Samurai until the party proves they can kill faster than repops. Once we get to that point, I flip out a DD roll for Corsair Roll for everyone. Faster kills will get your more xp than higher xp/kill. Hence the reason we xp on Colibri in the first place instead of the 2004 IT++ camps.

Personally, I don't pull, I don't xp w/out a brd, and I don't xp with a sub other than /war or the occasional /rng. That's one of the benefits to playing a Corsair. You're in high demand and can look for (or make your own, as someone else suggested) an optimal party.
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Ulathe wrote:
Since when do parties get to pick the roll they get? I'd be happy to listen to input, but when it comes down to it... 9/10ths of the population has no clue what a COR is capable of and the only CORs they've partied with are bad ones.


That's one of my pet peeves. It's not like Support jobs demand that the DD's use particular WS. I generally take their input but seriously I'm the one playing COR and not them, and genuinely great COR are few and far between on Siren. I can name 2-3 at most.

Slight derail but seriously what ticks me off when leveling RNG is the fact that 90% of PLDs NEVER USE COVER OR SHIELD BASH!!!

oh well live and learn.

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#18 Apr 27 2009 at 10:24 AM Rating: Default
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I'll never understand using SAM roll... are you saying that:

- it gets everyone to 100 tp faster
- no one ever holds tp past 100
- fighter's wouldn't get you 100 tp faster anyway
- it'll still work without getting a perfect roll every time?
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I'll never understand using SAM roll... are you saying that:

- it gets everyone to 100 tp faster
- no one ever holds tp past 100
- fighter's wouldn't get you 100 tp faster anyway
- it'll still work without getting a perfect roll every time?


This is the issue I have with SAM roll. It can be a great roll with a SAM in the party but would require melee knowing what each roll would do and how much equip they could swap out for STR/ATT instead of Store TP and keep their 5 hit build. Never going to happen.

I personally only use SAM roll when I'm COR/DNC and soloing or campaigning. In that case, extra TP gets used for cures, debuffs, sambas.

For merits, I still think COR/Chaos/Evokers works best. I'll give a second melee roll only if a) I'm working with a party of MNKs or other one handers and b) I'm sole support. Then its either Hunters or Fighters + Chaos.
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#20 Apr 29 2009 at 10:56 PM Rating: Good
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NEVER USE COVER OR SHIELD BASH!!!


I got covered once. When I did at high detonator. I was like Holy crap 3 years of playing and I've never seen a pld do that.

So from that point when I got ready to unleash, i stood behind the pld. She never did it again.

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#21 Apr 30 2009 at 6:14 AM Rating: Good
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I can tell you one distinct situation where you can and should use SAM roll over WAR roll: When you have one or more RNGs in your party. Double attack does jack for RNGs, and I know for a fact they cream themselves for SAM roll.
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#22 Apr 30 2009 at 7:39 AM Rating: Good
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EarthSage wrote:
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NEVER USE COVER OR SHIELD BASH!!!


I got covered once. When I did at high detonator. I was like Holy crap 3 years of playing and I've never seen a pld do that.

So from that point when I got ready to unleash, i stood behind the pld. She never did it again.

Morale- Must have hit the wrong button.
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#23 May 01 2009 at 5:58 PM Rating: Default
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don't turn down mamool brd+cor parties, brd+brd with decent melees can do 25k+ with sanction, and neither of those bards can dd, and cor is more powerful buffer than a second brd so it wouldn't really matter what you do as long as you buff. You'll still be breaking what brdx2 is capable of doing.
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and genuinely great COR are few and far between on Siren. I can name 2-3 at most.


Yeah, sorry I left but was just getting tired of Siren.

There was a Cor in Validus - forgot what his name was. Hume male. He was pretty good.
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