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#1 Apr 22 2009 at 4:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Alright i am lvl 35 cor...and have 37 /rng /war /nin and absolutely love /rng...i mean sh*t if i spam bullets i am stealing hate from every job at this level with ease. (which is fun but i dont wanna gt hit since most mobs can 3-hit me)
But my question is what am i missing from not having /whm or /rdm lvled since i was asked to sub these a few times in the last 8 lvls...am i expected to backup heal as a cor?

EVERY other cor seeking 30-44 on my server is either whm or nin...why?

Last question is what cards do I need to have on me when i hit 40 other than light/dark...like which do the most dmg? or is it independent of what mob I am fighting? like if a mob is weak to ice spam ice cards?
#2 Apr 22 2009 at 5:36 AM Rating: Decent
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/WHM is pointless at those levels since you'll barely have enough MP to do a Cure 1.

After 22 sub RNG (Racc bonus trait) or NIN (DW Racc daggers). You will be a top DDer in your parties until the mid 40's at least with a good DD setup.

People sub WHM and NIN on most servers because 1) they are lazy or 2) they are cheap or 3) they are 75 and using those subs for certain events.

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#3 Apr 22 2009 at 7:17 AM Rating: Good
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Donnertwo wrote:
Alright i am lvl 35 cor...and have 37 /rng /war /nin and absolutely love /rng...i mean sh*t if i spam bullets i am stealing hate from every job at this level with ease. (which is fun but i dont wanna gt hit since most mobs can 3-hit me)
But my question is what am i missing from not having /whm or /rdm lvled since i was asked to sub these a few times in the last 8 lvls...am i expected to backup heal as a cor?

EVERY other cor seeking 30-44 on my server is either whm or nin...why?

Last question is what cards do I need to have on me when i hit 40 other than light/dark...like which do the most dmg? or is it independent of what mob I am fighting? like if a mob is weak to ice spam ice cards?


People sub WHM because they believe the COR is support only. Truth is we are a great 50/50 Hybrid. The Support half comes in the form of JA, which is not Sub Job Dependant. /RNG will give you the most bang for your buck all the way to 75.

People sub NIN because as a top heavy community of 75s use /NIN in meripo. That has trickled down to the lower levels of XP. Don't get me wrong NIN is a great sub, but use it for the right reasons, such as when you are puller on fast moveing mobs.

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#4 Apr 22 2009 at 4:28 PM Rating: Good
/nin can be useful for pulling if the cor does so, and its vital for movement speed enhanced mobs like colibri. /whm isn't that useful except in campaign. /rdm will boost quickdraw damage slightly through job traits.

For cards Ice at the least, to enhance paralyze. Later on if you use a fire staff get fire cards just to take advantage of the staff's damage bonus to them.
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#5 Apr 22 2009 at 7:43 PM Rating: Default
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Here's what "I" think, doesn't mean they'll suit for everyone, just ideas...
Donnertwo wrote:
But my question is what am i missing from not having /whm or /rdm lvled since i was asked to sub these a few times in the last 8 lvls...am i expected to backup heal as a cor?

For those who /whm at 30+ they either wants to use those -na spells or dumb like a rock. Oh wait.. I just insult the rock, they are dumber.
For the /rdm parts, it's more use for boosting QD dmg at end-game. Or cures for the party, but it's as good as your lolrdmsub MP goes.
If your party require assist on curing at 30+, /dnc is way better, unless those -na spells are require where /whm "could" be better. /dnc also gets better as you lv up.
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EVERY other cor seeking 30-44 on my server is either whm or nin...why?

For /whm part, it's the same as above.
For those who /nin is because they don't have ranger as sub or want to duel wear archer's knifes + 3 shadows protection.

Donnertwo wrote:
Last question is what cards do I need to have on me when i hit 40 other than light/dark...like which do the most dmg? or is it independent of what mob I am fighting? like if a mob is weak to ice spam ice cards?

I suggest you to have ice, wind, earth, light, dark, at minium, our QD at low lv party has it's uses as boosting the enfeeble, ice = paralyze, wind = gravity and silence, earth = slow, light = sleep, dark = dispel. As you lv up, party stops enfeeble the mob, and it's where you start using QD as dmg output.



Donnertwo wrote:
(which is fun but i dont wanna gt hit since most mobs can 3-hit me)

Just a side question... what kind of mob you are fighting that can 3 hits you?
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#6 Apr 22 2009 at 7:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Alright i am lvl 35 cor...and have 37 /rng /war /nin and absolutely love /rng...i mean sh*t if i spam bullets i am stealing hate from every job at this level with ease. (which is fun but i dont wanna gt hit since most mobs can 3-hit me)
But my question is what am i missing from not having /whm or /rdm lvled since i was asked to sub these a few times in the last 8 lvls...am i expected to backup heal as a cor?


Tell them to stfu and gtfo. Then continue looking for party for another 0.0043 seconds before you get another invite. :D

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EVERY other cor seeking 30-44 on my server is either whm or nin...why?


They fail.

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Last question is what cards do I need to have on me when i hit 40 other than light/dark...like which do the most dmg? or is it independent of what mob I am fighting? like if a mob is weak to ice spam ice cards?


Spam the weakness, yes. If not resistant to fire though. I like using a Fire Staff 51+ for the +10 r.atk, and use Fire Shot along with it.
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#7 Apr 22 2009 at 7:56 PM Rating: Decent
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I got 3 hit by an Antican lvl synced at 35 ...tank went afk think one hit was a tp move.

oh another quick question for QD do i shoot then have mage enfeeb...or can i say hit an ice shot after mob is para'ed?

#8 Apr 22 2009 at 8:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Donnertwo wrote:
I got 3 hit by an Antican lvl synced at 35 ...tank went afk think one hit was a tp move.

Why the hack you fight Antican at lv35? lol
Donnertwo wrote:
oh another quick question for QD do i shoot then have mage enfeeb...or can i say hit an ice shot after mob is para'ed?

The enfeeble MUST be landed before you can use QD to enhance it.


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#9 Apr 24 2009 at 10:25 PM Rating: Good
Stealing the thread!

Anyway . . .

So I'm considering leveling cor as my next job just to finish off my variety (75DRK main, 75 thf, soon 75 pld) so cor would give me a support job but I wouldnt really have ot give up my love for tearing **** up (DD), at least not completely.

Anyway what I want to know is it comparable to melee for tp then WS with slug or whatever even without M.KRis/joy toy? (though I might get joy for pld soon and m.kris for drk zergs if I start doing that more) Honestly I just want to try and avoid spending a mill leveling COR . . . I could afford it, but I'd rather not >_>
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#10 Apr 24 2009 at 10:56 PM Rating: Good
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Anyway what I want to know is it comparable to melee for tp then WS with slug or whatever even without M.KRis/joy toy?


short answer: no

long answer: The only thing comperable to a joy or m.kris in merits, is a joy or m.kris. Sure, you can pop off a fighters roll and get closer, but a bottle rocket on a bicycle will not get it across the grand canyon. You need to get yourself a high powered machine, and the best 2 options for merit melee currently, are joy and m.kris. (with non-multi hit weapons a distant third)


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Honestly I just want to try and avoid spending a mill leveling COR . . . I could afford it, but I'd rather not >_>


Joy is free, so long as you can round up the help of 1 other person with a job that works well duoing with a job you have at 75.

Edited, Apr 24th 2009 11:57pm by Spikido
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#11 Apr 24 2009 at 11:30 PM Rating: Good
Sorry I was really unclear in that post . . .

I meant to ask if doing the meelee for tp, then WS with slug was still a good way to go while leveling up before merits.

Mentioned mkris and joy only in that is this style ok if I dont drop 2mill on M.Kris pre70.

Or is this style complete crap pre-merit?

I dont want to level all the way full tping with /ra XD
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#12 Apr 25 2009 at 12:15 AM Rating: Good
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that's fkkn funny as all **** XD
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The SillyXSara of Doom wrote:
Sorry I was really unclear in that post . . .

I meant to ask if doing the meelee for tp, then WS with slug was still a good way to go while leveling up before merits.

Mentioned mkris and joy only in that is this style ok if I dont drop 2mill on M.Kris pre70.

Or is this style complete crap pre-merit?

I dont want to level all the way full tping with /ra XD

Sorry Sara. Getting either an MK or Joyeuse Is priority #1 for every COR. No other piece of gear will add as much oomph in that. If you don't have one /RA for TP is a lot better.

Be fore warned COR is considered hella expensive.

Some do's and dont's:
  • Please don't sub WHM in XP
  • Never use lower level bullets to tp
  • Please don't melee with lolRA daggers

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#14 Apr 25 2009 at 7:56 AM Rating: Decent
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Some do's and dont's:
  • Please don't sub WHM in XP
  • Never use lower level bullets to tp
  • Please don't melee with lolRA daggers



This should be our forums description Smiley: lol
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#15 Apr 25 2009 at 8:23 AM Rating: Good
i used shooting for tp myself, still do, and its not really that expensive until 60 when you get barrage. Even then it may be mixed mostly because when you are asked to pull your bullet consumption can do down.

and tbh i think a lot of people overestimate multi-hit weapons. Its not like in many instances outside of merits you are going to be at leisure to get within range and meelee a mob for tp, and even in merits if you pull a multi-hit wep is useless. People talk about the merc kris, but its kind of ridculous to expect any job to have one, considering it sells for twice as much as a peacock charm, can't be farmed at all unless you were lucky and leveled fishing before the nerf, and is more expensive than any single piece of AH gear that is realistic to obtain.

The joyeuse is more common, but that's 70+ and is really going to restrict usage. At that time we start to shift from a hybrid job to a QD job mostly, unless you can consistently build bard + cor parties, the dd aspect might get sidelined. I've started to merit in parties again, and i think 5/6 so far have been me pulling.

Tbh i think its more important to have a peacemaker than a joyeuse with the way my experience has been. You cna live without multi-hit, you can't without that low-delay pulling gun.
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#16 Apr 25 2009 at 8:29 AM Rating: Good
Well I'm kind of an elitist so I won't play the job unless I can do it right, thanks for the quick reply's ^^
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#17 Apr 25 2009 at 8:40 AM Rating: Decent
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The SillyXSara of Doom wrote:
Well I'm kind of an elitist a good player, so I won't play the job unless I can do it right, thanks for the quick reply's ^^

Really, if you badly wanted COR75, but didn't want to shoot away so many millions during exp.. You could always just turn to full-time Campaign in the 50s. 22 --> 50-something shouldn't kill you too much - if you're not willing to fund that, you won't be able to fund melee TP Steel Bullets at 75 anyway.

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and tbh i think a lot of people overestimate multi-hit weapons. Its not like in many instances outside of merits you are going to be at leisure to get within range and meelee a mob for tp, and even in merits if you pull a multi-hit wep is useless.

Um, COR melee TP is highly influencial throughout the majority of endgame. Nyzul, Einherjar, some of Salvage, Limbus, Dynamis, etc. It's the primary playstyle of the job class at 75.

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Tbh i think its more important to have a peacemaker than a joyeuse with the way my experience has been. You cna live without multi-hit, you can't without that low-delay pulling gun.

I disagree, but that may just be a playstyle difference. It'd seem you enjoy merit pulling, and I don't.. But there is no question, Peacemaker is far more situational than a multi-hit weapon on COR.

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#18 Apr 25 2009 at 10:14 AM Rating: Default
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Um, COR melee TP is highly influencial throughout the majority of endgame. Nyzul, Einherjar, some of Salvage, Limbus, Dynamis, etc. It's the primary, default playstyle of the job class.


I think if anything, ranged tp overall is safer and benefits the cor better, especially if he needs to sleep adds or keep distance from aoes. I guess it depends on how your shell uses you. My experience is that COR tend to overrate their DD capabilities, and others tend to want them for other uses than that.

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I disagree, but that may just be a playstyle difference. It'd seem you enjoy merit pulling, and I don't.. But there is no question, Peacemaker is far more situational than a multi-hit weapon on COR.


doesnt matter whether or not you enjoy it, it matters what the experience is on the ground. You guys don't recommend maxing out quick draw recast because all you do in merits is /rng and dd while the bard pulls, you max them out because you need them to stage mobs when you do pull, which is most of the non-static parties you probably get invited to.

I'm not a fan of pulling myself, i originally didn't party because of it. But if you do merits, that's what you do. Bards seeking are rare, most really campaign or merit in-house.

Just saying you'll feel the lack of a peacemaker far more than that of a multi-hit weapon in merits, and merits are also where you'd get the most use out of a multi-hit.
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The Neispace of Doom wrote:
I think if anything, ranged tp overall is safer and benefits the cor better, especially if he needs to sleep adds or keep distance from aoes. I guess it depends on how your shell uses you. My experience is that COR tend to overrate their DD capabilities, and others tend to want them for other uses than that.

Safer? The sweet spot for guns is a hair or two outside of melee distance. And you can sleep adds fine while meleeing... AoE is rarely a deciding factor, but if it is, sure, ranged TP is a great asset to turn to. Surely not the norm, though.

I don't get what melee TP vs. ranged TP has to do with a random COR overrating either damage contributions, either way.

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doesnt matter whether or not you enjoy it, it matters what the experience is on the ground. You guys don't recommend maxing out quick draw recast because all you do in merits is /rng and dd while the bard pulls, you max them out because you need them to stage mobs when you do pull, which is most of the non-static parties you probably get invited to.

I'm not a fan of pulling myself, i originally didn't party because of it. But if you do merits, that's what you do. Bards seeking are rare, most really campaign or merit in-house.

Just saying you'll feel the lack of a peacemaker far more than that of a multi-hit weapon in merits, and merits are also where you'd get the most use out of a multi-hit.

Uh, there is more to the game than merits, lol (speaking of the QD merits you mentioned). I sure as **** didn't put 5 merits into that with COR merit pulling on my mind.. It has a trillion more applications, all I value more than something I dislike and don't do.

If you take a neutral stance on COR merit pulling, assuming the COR will at times be asked to pull, and at times DD.. I'll take darts + Joyeuse over Peacemaker + single-hit weapon.

It's really not worth debating though - Peacemaker is relatively cheap. If you're gonna merit pull, the thing is high on your priority list. Obtaining Peacemaker should not interfere much with obtaining Joy or MK.

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#20 Apr 25 2009 at 11:19 AM Rating: Default
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Uh, there is more to the game than merits, lol (speaking of the QD merits you mentioned). I sure as **** didn't put 5 merits into that with COR merit pulling on my mind.. It has a trillion more applications, all I value more than something I dislike and don't do.

If you take a neutral stance on COR merit pulling, assuming the COR will at times be asked to pull, and at times DD.. I'll take darts + Joyeuse over Peacemaker + single-hit weapon.


at 75 its merits and endgame. That's it. Cor quickdraw is to sleep, dispel, and do damage. Considering that endgame tends to be limited in time duration compared to merits (i mean per battle as opposed to prep time) you'll probably spend more active time meriting.

Can't really take a neutral stance though. If you pull, either with darts or not, joyeuse is useless. Its just too fast. If you don't pull, peacemaker is useless, not enough damage. It's just in merits how often really do you not pull?

I mentioned it only because of the idea that getting a multi-hit is the number one priority for a cor. Depending on what you do other things should be,from this forum you'd think all the cor do are use /rng and slug shot.
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The Neispace of Doom wrote:
at 75 its merits and endgame. That's it. Cor quickdraw is to sleep, dispel, and do damage. Considering that endgame tends to be limited in time duration compared to merits (i mean per battle as opposed to prep time) you'll probably spend more active time meriting.

I don't think that's the case; it's especially not for me. I finished my COR merits ages ago, have done a lot more 'endgame' than meriting, and that ratio difference will only get more skewed. Certainly for people with many 75's who don't do much endgame, that ratio may be reversed.. But I think for most they spend more time doing endgame events at 75 then they do meriting.

Also, do note that damage QD's can be used in merits (and other merit-like situations, which comprises a lot of 'endgame'), even with regularity.

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It's just in merits how often really do you not pull?

I mentioned it only because of the idea that getting a multi-hit is the number one priority for a cor. Depending on what you do other things should be,from this forum you'd think all the cor do are use /rng and slug shot.

I've pulled in merits like, 1% of the time. Usually there's a Bard, but I found roaming with 3 or 4 DD's that I know to be good (when a BRD couldn't be gotten) > COR merit pulling for a bunch of mediocre-at-best, probably crappy pick-up DD's. Roaming in merits is underrated I think - it's especially good on Nyzul Mamools.

I couldn't stand merit pulling for a bunch of dolts that I knew I could outparse if I were DDing - and the better DD's would never ask me to merit pull.

A multi-hit weapon is the number one priority for a 75 COR. That and Martial Gun.

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#22 Apr 25 2009 at 11:59 AM Rating: Decent
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I've pulled in merits like, 1% of the time. Usually there's a Bard, but I found roaming with 3 or 4 DD's that I know to be good (when a BRD couldn't be gotten) > COR merit pulling for a bunch of mediocre-at-best, probably crappy pick-up DD's. Roaming in merits is underrated I think - it's especially good on Nyzul Mamools.

A multi-hit weapon is the number one priority for a 75 COR. That and Martial Gun.


yes because no one else ever does pickups or anything. Or is asked to pull. I swear, its like people in this forum never do anything outside of linkshells or statics, and they think everyone in the game does the same exact things. I'm going to have to call this the kerberoz effect or something.
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The Neispace of Doom wrote:
yes because no one else ever does pickups or anything. Or is asked to pull. I swear, its like people in this forum never do anything outside of linkshells or statics, and they think everyone in the game does the same exact things. I'm going to have to call this the kerberoz effect or something.

The only way for Peacemaker's effect to even be comparable to Joy/MK, would be if you hardly ever did endgame in relation to merits, and in those merits you almost always pulled. I'm sorry, but that's rare. If you're going to blanketly declare values to COR weapons, Joy and MK crush Peacemaker overall (not just looking at one unusual playstyle, but all-encompassing).

Also, just because you're asked to do something doesn't mean it's the best or right thing to do.

Again, there's no reason you can't have both a Peacemaker and a multi-hit weapon. It's not like Peacemaker is expensive... I don't even like comparing a gun's value to a sword or dagger to begin with, but whatever lol.

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Carrilei wrote:
I've pulled in merits like, 1% of the time.


This. Yes, even in pick up parties. I think I've used my Peacemaker once since getting COR to 75 like 8 months ago. I use my Joyeuse everyday.
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#25 Apr 25 2009 at 3:19 PM Rating: Decent
The Neispace of Doom wrote:
tbh i think a lot of people overestimate multi-hit weapons.


I think it is you who underestimate multi-hit weaponry, as well as endgame from other things you've said.

While I'll agree with you that a peacemaker is nice, I have to disagree in saying that it's more important to get a peacemaker before you consider a joy. A decent damage multihit weapon that we have skill with that provides 'free' TP outweighs that of a peacemaker any day.

Parties that have the cor pull are already somewhat bad news, unless you're not in it for the fastest possible merits, then by all means, pull.

Do you have a joyeuse or an M.Kris? From what you've said so far it sounds like you either don't, or haven't been allowed to use it to it's full potential paired with a martial gun, it's pretty secksy.
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#26 Apr 25 2009 at 4:44 PM Rating: Decent
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I am pretty sure that 100% of my merit parties in the last 2ish years have had at least 1 brd in addition to my cor.

A COR can always gets another party. If the first invite (tho i would never lfg on COR) doesn't have a brd, just say NO. Pretend its the 80s and remember the worst anti-drug slogan of all time.

Be a princess, why waste bullet gil on half-*** pickups.

Oh, I merited QD recast to enhance debuffs more often. Has nothing to do with DD or Sleeping, and i have just about never need to use dispel. (although i would have if we would have had dispel when i leveled COR)

I even have a peacemaker, I just about never use it.


EDIT: fixed typo on 100% reading 0%.

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#27 Apr 26 2009 at 5:23 AM Rating: Good
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I've pulled in merits like, 1% of the time. Usually there's a Bard, but I found roaming with 3 or 4 DD's that I know to be good (when a BRD couldn't be gotten) > COR merit pulling for a bunch of mediocre-at-best, probably crappy pick-up DD's. Roaming in merits is underrated I think - it's especially good on Nyzul Mamools.

A multi-hit weapon is the number one priority for a 75 COR. That and Martial Gun.



yes because no one else ever does pickups or anything. Or is asked to pull. I swear, its like people in this forum never do anything outside of linkshells or statics, and they think everyone in the game does the same exact things. I'm going to have to call this the kerberoz effect or something.

Nei, I'm on the same server as you. I don't do merits /RNG hardly ever. I prefer /DNC. I pull maybe 5% and I always do pick up party merits.

I Do endgame probably 4:1 compared to merits. My statement still stands. Joyeuse(or MK) is priority #1. Martial Gun is #2. PeaceMaker is faaaar down my list. Infact I sold it a long time ago.

I melee in every single Endgame event I do except for Dynamis. I prefer to back line it /RDM. PeaceMaker is the situational piece, not Joyeuse.

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Gotta agree with the majority here. Joyeuse is absolutely a gamebreaker for COR provided you have the accuracy and some haste to really make use of it. There's nothing wrong with shooting for tp. That's the beauty of COR. You can do either and be very effective. T10 assaults, einherjar, salvage bosses and chariots are all things I like to step back and just shoot at to avoid AOE and becoming an MP sink. Heck, my salvage group requests /whm so usually I am part of the MP lol. In merits though (well birds), i'll melee with joyeuse every time. I like the option to switch to vulcan's staff and ranged attack too though, especially on things that are too evasive for our native 240 sword skill (I have 8/8 marksmanship). I think if it was strictly a mamool pt, shooting for TP would win out (well assuming you did your merits that way). An unmerited COR only has 10 more marks skill than sword skill and with sword merits, could actually be better with a sword. I have suppa for sword 245 but my marks merits push me to 266. Plus you can pile on racc gear without any concern for losing haste because haste is worthless when shooting.

But my typical salvage run on COR will see me using both playstyles. I'll start usually doing nothing for a while or popping chests after BRD pulls in SSR cuz CORs never get the first weapons lol. And BRDs often take the first ranged. I sometimes get lucky and get the second opacus and can contribute with rolls right away. If I get ranged first, i'll just stand back n shoot. If I get weapon first, i'll melee with joyeuse, whatever I can do to contribute something. On most mobs i'll pop sushi and melee. On chariots, bosses I'll shoot for TP and make sure QD is enhancing the enfeebs etc.

I've never had to pull in salvage. The BRD always does that and if he dies, the THF takes over. However, if I ever needed to (think Powderkeg's room), Peacemaker would be awesome there (unless you just chose to pull with QD).

I used to pull quite often in merit pts and if the pt kills fast, peacemaker and move speed + will help you keep up. Lately I've been fortunate and have had like 5 pts in a row that I've gone full DD /war to.

But if you told me I had to either give up my peacemaker or my joyeuse... the peacemaker is gone lol. It's really nice for pulling fast and i guess if you're ONLY using QD for landing sleep (AGI+5 ftw there).
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