How do you manage it all, 4 Buffs, DD, and pulling?Follow

I am starting to feel a little overwhelmed. Lately, I have been asked to pull for my parties. I also need to maintain 4 buffs, 2 on Melee, 2 on Mages. Plus I need to contribute my damage so I feel like I am doing more than just pulling and buffing.

Seems that I am always allowing my buffs to drop on someone, and if I stay behind long enough to buff, my pulls aren't fast enough.


Veterans, how do you folks manage all this workload?

Hmm, what level COR are we talking about? Pulling at 75 is vastly different than low lvls or even 50+. If we're talking merits, doing all of the above is nearly impossible. If your pt is a lil slow at killing, you can outpull them and take a few shots at the bird they are killing after you've slept your own.

If your pt is not at a level where consistently getting higher than chain 7 is legit, then it's not so bad. You buff when you need to buff. That should take precedence over anything. You can disengage a lil early and either go for the next pull or go buff the mages real quick (you can obviously buff the melee at any point if you're joining them).

The biggest part is just repetition. The more you do it, the more you get that clock in your head that says "you haven't rolled in a while, it's probably time. Pre-75 you're pretty much rolling as soon as phantom roll is up to maintain rolls anyway. If you dont ave windower, just build a /recast macro. I used to put 4-6 JAs/spells in the macro. So "/recast "Phantom Roll" hit that and it will ell u how many seconds till your roll is up. When it's ready, go roll. That's the easiest, non-windower way to do it.

A hint, if you plan to put several JAs or whatever in one recast macro (I used to do this on SAM for med, third eye, seigan, etc etc), put the MOST IMPORTANT one in the list LAST. Battle txt spam flies by prety fast. If you have a list of 6 recasts, the one you're mostly likely to see is the last one.

Anyway, at 75 you'll either be full-time pulling/buffing or full-time DD/buffing. Makes it a bit easier. That recast macro should help you a lot, at least on keeping rolls up. And if you don't need to roll right away, disengage a lil early for the next pull or even position yourself during the fight so you can see the pull area and perhaps see where the next mob is even before you leave. But I'd say if the mob is near death and you need to both pull and do a roll, do the roll first. If you're under chain 5, you won't lose the chain anyway. If you're over chain 5, chances are you're not getting much higher than that if you're not 70+.

Hope that helps.

Well when you have to pull and have a 4 roll rotation, I found that you don't really have the luxury of rerolling RIGHT at the 1:00 recast so you can leave 2 melee buffs on you for 2 minutes...instead you take advantage of your recast being up between pulls and make sure you keep rolls up.

As said before...just try to leave a hair early for the next pull unless you need a minute for MP or to heal HP after a nasty fight, and interrupt your DDing to apply buffs. All you'll miss out on is a shot or two to reapply instead of having the party wait 10-15 seconds for Roll + doubleups after the fight that could break the chain.

As I like to say with COR...it just takes experience to get a "feel" of the timers and how to manage everything. You'll get it down...but I agree, it's infinitely easier to keep a good roll rotation up without having to pull. You can still do it, just makes timers tougher to manage.

Evokers Roll level, so I'm imagining you're rolling that at the very least. Melee rolls are probably Hunters/Chaos. Maybe Samurai roll if there's a SAM in the pt. Is your fourth roll Healer's? (not in that order)

When I was around that level and asked to pull, I tried keeping a 4 roll rotation going, but sometimes healer's roll just wasn't necessary. So I just kept evokers up on the mages/pld tank. Just because people can benefit from two rolls, doesn't mean they have to. If your party's support really was taxed on MP, then I'd suggest either asking if someone else can pull, or try to keep up with your rotation. Majority of the playerbase IMO don't freak out when they are missing a roll for a few moments.

kk, so lvl 40 you probably aren't getting chain 6 and it's amazingly easy to get chain 5. I guess if it's an east ron (S) colibri burn you could get a lil higher but I haven't lvled a job that level in ages so I've never done one.

I will say that COR rolls take a bit of getting used to. I was a career DD before COR (heh, i still am). Never leveled BRD in a pt (it's lvl 9), took RDM to 37 but that was mostly solo so I had zero experience buffing people or trying to keep a cycle up before COR.

But yeah, make a recast macro and use it so you know when rolls are ready (again, if you use windower, this is a non-issue, it does that for you). Disengage from the mob a little early to either start the next pull or go buff a mage if they need it. Buffs before pulls. Like I said, you're not infinite chaining and below chain 5, you have an eternity to get that next mob for the chain.

As for your question in another thread, yeah racc is like that. You typically need more racc than you would need acc in a similar situation. I have a ton of racc gear. If i went crazy, I could get something like racc +115 on gear alone. Obviously I don't do that, but I have that much gear. If you feel your racc is lacking, try add some until you feel it's good enough. Vice versa, if you're never missing, maybe pull a little racc off for some rattack or STR instead. Having a parser is good for this cuz lord knows if you're pulling, DDing, buffing, you may not have time to count your hits and misses lol.

But yeah, at 40, chains won't be higher than 5 typically. I'm guessing you're in the nest and crawlers in the basement and they are so spread out. Maybe that's another thing that you need to think about. I've pulled on every job I have (I even pulled on BLM sporadically lol). Really get to know your camp, where the pops are and try to pull in a way that you can cycle through that too. For example, if you're at secret room in the nest, pull the crawlers at the mouth of the entrance first, then get the south ones, then head north. At some point at first ones will repop and you can't miss them. At that point, just go through the cycle again. If you know where the mobs will typically be and remember what you've already pulled, you spend less time hunting. But, if there's another pt at that camp too.. not a whole lot you can do. You can't watch them too.

But yeah, buffs > pulls.

I just found myself missing that one line message from time to time. While MP/Refresh is pretty easy to eyeball, when you have a RDM + BRD + COR, it's really tough to know if the MP they're getting back is due to Refresh, Ballads, Evokers, or Sanction. I found this way, I have a little room for error with the only dropped roll being Healer's, and Melee's are still on time.

"Good advice but I'd be wary about trying it before you can equip a light staff. Your healer would have to be ready with a backup sleep if light shot fails, and even then, people start freaking out when they see 2 mobs and do silly things like burn their 2-hours, or try and solo the add, and end up tanking the rest of the fight."


Hmmm, I've actually never been resisted by a colibri on light shot since I merited QD to the max. But then again I havent tried it since enfeebs got all messed up soooo who knows.

I don't find rolls to be as much of a hassle as some people are making it out to be. They last 5 minutes as opposed to BRD's 2 to 2.5 minute songs and they are applied much more quickly than songs are. At merit level, you can even make them longer if you choose to. The only real difference is that you have to space them out due to the Phantom Roll recast, but the bottom line is, you are doing 4 buffs every 5 minutes as opposed to 4 buffs in half the time on a job like BRD.

There might be fights where you won't contribute quite as much as others, such as rolling constant 1s on Evoker's Roll or something and needing to reroll often, but overall I don't see a big problem.

The backline support/healing only bards you've been seeing are not what people are talking about when they say the job is busy. That is an easy role to play, and perfectly fine for early levels in my opinion, but once you get to ToaU areas and especially merit camps, you'll most likely see a lot more bards who are active 100% of the time.

For one, I like to alternate my buffs between mages and melee. If you miss one, atleast both groups will have atleast one buff on till next rotation. For example: If you're rolling drk, sam, smn, whm then i would order it sam > smn > drk > whm

#2 as far as pulling goes, usually if your light shot timer is up, it is safe to pull. So pull. If you're at G.colibri and your party isn't killing fast enough for you to pull once every 60-75 seconds then something's wrong. D:

#3 When pulling, I like to come RNG or SAM sub. Both have abilities to get TP instantly. Both help your damage but RNG isn't as safe for pulling.
RNG: Use barrage on one bird, use the WS on the next(or when you think a bird is taking too long to die). Has no dmg mitigation, but has enough firepower to let you help contribute to damage with barrage and the subsequent TP gain from it.
SAM: Use meditate to gain extra TP, hasso for STR for WS, and seigan+ third eye for added safety when pulling. Use light staff or fire staff for hasso/seigan to work properly o/


Only sub nin when you absolutely have to. ;O

How is that any different from what (most) people expect from COR?

Ranger-esque DD? Lol. I wouldn't say that can't be done as I'm sure it has been, but I've yet to meet ANYONE that would expect it out of anyone else. Most people don't give a **** about how much damage the COR is doing as long as:

1) they are getting their buffs
2) they don't have to pull

The reason? They KNOW that the COR has other stuff to do. It's the same reason why you wouldn't bother parsing a BRD's damage if he tried to melee: you know it's going to be gimped because you're making him buff and pull too.

That's not to say you shouldn't try to do what damage you can, or that you should even make the COR pull in the first place, but most people view BRD and COR as mostly interchangeable jobs (whether you like it or not is really of no consequence). In my eyes, COR is a BRD that gives up a bit of its buff dependency (the roll system) in return for being able to do some damage. Oh, and people shout for you to reset their 2hrs in Whitegate all the time. Sorry about that.

COR doesn't pull!

^^

If i was doing all that and got complaints about missing a few rolls then i'd just pick up on the fact that

A) The mage is clearly not overworked, since they have so much time to comment on everything else.

B) The melee should pull; at level 40 80% of jobs are better at it than COR is.