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#1 Apr 14 2009 at 10:37 AM Rating: Good
I just had a friend make a few stacks of these for me the other day and was curious if any cors had tried this yet. It would appear to be a cross between sushi and meat for ranged only. I'm going to try it out tonight in sea and fooling around, but I'll post any data I come up with.


Anyone else try this food out yet and notice anything? super cheap to make and would appear to be everything we could want in a food.


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From Wiki on what is known so far:

Food Effects: (30 minutes, All Races)

* Strength +3
* Agility +3
* Ranged Attack +??%
* Ranged Accuracy +??%
* Intelligence -3




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Well I'm still in sea atm, however I might be hallucinating, but I can almost swear that my 600 delay gun is shooting slighty faster. I'm probably wrong, but just a thought that I figured I'd jot down here... more testing...

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of course I was wrong with the faster part, obviously (I must have been lagging or something)

but in sea against xomits I went from average 140 damage to 165 average. Just from my testing this evening I would place it somewhere around 15%, but of course this is just observation and without math merit.

Edited, Apr 14th 2009 9:27pm by Spikido
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#2 Apr 14 2009 at 10:46 AM Rating: Good
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To my knowledge no one has posted any findings on it, including discusion here

I havent had a chance to use it myself either though, i'm thinking of using it in Salvage tonight. If so I'll post my thoughts here as well.

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#3 Apr 14 2009 at 10:47 AM Rating: Good
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I've been waiting for some testing to confirm the stats on it...so I'm eager to find out :)
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#4 Apr 14 2009 at 7:16 PM Rating: Good
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So far my findings:
HQ tiers in crafting
  • NQx2
  • NQx4
  • HQx2

my Racc is Salvage is impecable. I've missed only a few Slugshots naked and the Ratk bonus seems to be pretty nice. My reg shots naked went from 63 dmg to 75. More to come.

The +1 verision grants
  • STR +4
  • AGI +4
  • INT -3

Granted this was just during Salvage. So A lot more testing needs done. Seemed to be a great catch all food when you can only TP with /RA

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Edited, Apr 15th 2009 1:00am by Viska
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#5 Apr 14 2009 at 10:31 PM Rating: Good
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I wouldn't call what I did testing.... more like trying to do as much dmg as possible to a few lesser colibris but... here's what I saw.


Started with a pull chaos 11 roll on already 365 crit ranged attack. Meleed myself over 100% tp (COR/WAR btw)... slept it stepped back... berserk/warcry ate a pot au feu... 2787 slug shot. (my previous best before this food and before my super-WS enhanced mirke was 2181).

Berserk wore but chaos was still up so I went for a 2nd bird. This time the food was in my stomach on the pull... normal ranged hit of 406. Got tp, slept it 2200+ slug (no berserk or warcry but had food and chaos).


Managed to dial up another 11 on chaos and wanted to see what my pull would be like with chaos, food, berserk and warcry already up. 485 normal ranged attack. took 15% off the birds life lol. My third and final slug shot... 2707 (pretty sure warcry was gone by the time I had tp).

Again, NOT extensive testing but those numbers do tell an impressive story. Pot au feu seems really strong if you don't need melee acc. (maybe nyzul, a salvage boss.. ACP final fight for sure (thats what I bought it for in the first place). If you wanna melee for tp in a merit bird pt though.... that's gonna be ROUGH with this food. But if u wanna shoot for tp... my GAWD!

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Did a merit on mamools today couldn't parse due to my parser not working properly because of last update but I did about 30 mins with no food and the rest of the party on potaufeu. My slugs were missing quite abit before I ate this sucker and not so much after, damage also seemed to jump about 100-200 or so. Of course this is just eyeballing. I'll try to get my parser working again to get some definite numbers going.
#7 Apr 15 2009 at 4:41 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm interested in what you find out about this - might make a couple of stacks on my cooking mule for a play about with on RNG (finishing that while I wait for either side of a conquest tally for stupid lamian fang key to go get my gun).
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#8 Apr 15 2009 at 6:07 AM Rating: Decent
well I"m learning very quickly that it's very difficult to gauge the % of a food that boosts only ranged, and not regular attack. At this point in time I can merely eyeball the numbers pre and post. I'm going to make another attempt tonight, however it will probably be with different mobs in a more controlled environment. The only sea mobs last night that weren't having dia cast on them (and other spells/songs of the like) were the xomits.

Although after all of last night, if I were to guess, I'd generally place it anywhere from 13-16% (Total guess based on observations) I don't see if being as high as meat alone in the damage change, however it still is fairly significant.
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#9 Apr 15 2009 at 6:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Spikido of the Seven Seas wrote:
well I"m learning very quickly that it's very difficult to gauge the % of a food that boosts only ranged, and not regular attack. At this point in time I can merely eyeball the numbers pre and post. I'm going to make another attempt tonight, however it will probably be with different mobs in a more controlled environment. The only sea mobs last night that weren't having dia cast on them (and other spells/songs of the like) were the xomits.

Although after all of last night, if I were to guess, I'd generally place it anywhere from 13-16% (Total guess based on observations) I don't see if being as high as meat alone in the damage change, however it still is fairly significant.


well, pizza doesn't give as much atk as regular meat either, and it doesn't give as much acc as sushi, but giving both together is the true beauty of it.
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#10 Apr 16 2009 at 5:59 AM Rating: Good
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Based on the popularity of the Pizza, I wouldn't be surprised if they basically mimicked that for Ranged Attacks. I'm a bit surprised it's 30 minute vs. 3 hours, but in all honesty, I prefer the 30 minutes + food duration buff over a 3 hour food :p

I need to get some ingredients together and have some crafted for me to use.
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Professor Jinte wrote:
well, pizza doesn't give as much atk as regular meat either, and it doesn't give as much acc as sushi, but giving both together is the true beauty of it.

Well I love pizza on my THF and situationally I'll be using this food as well though a majority of the time its melee for TP >>> WS. I wish I was smart enough to figure out the actual Racc/Ratk% and the cap.

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#12 Apr 16 2009 at 1:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Admiral Viska wrote:
Professor Jinte wrote:
well, pizza doesn't give as much atk as regular meat either, and it doesn't give as much acc as sushi, but giving both together is the true beauty of it.

Well I love pizza on my THF and situationally I'll be using this food as well though a majority of the time its melee for TP >>> WS. I wish I was smart enough to figure out the actual Racc/Ratk% and the cap.

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well, if it's anything like pizza, I'd guesstimate around ~20% ratk with a cap near 50ish, and ~10% racc.
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#13 Apr 16 2009 at 2:37 PM Rating: Good
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Spikido of the Seven Seas wrote:
would appear to be everything we could want in a food

Food Effects: (30 minutes, All Races)

* Strength +3
* Agility +3
* Ranged Attack +??%
* Ranged Accuracy +??%
* Intelligence -3


Well, it does look like an excellent food for situations where your damage is coming exclusively from ranged attacks/WS, but "everything we could want" seems a bit much.

If you're meleeing with a Joyeuse/M.Kris, Sushi still looks better. NQ Squid sushi gives:

* HP +30
* Dexterity +6
* Agility +5
* Mind -1
* Resist Sleep
* Ranged Accuracy +15%
* Accuracy +15%
* 30 minutes

(Sole sushi is almost the same, except swap the AGI+5 for STR+5)

That means Squid sushi has the advantages of accuracy for melee (gain TP faster) and more AGI than Pot (for more R.Acc and a Slug/Det WS modifier). I'll assume for the sake of the argument that the R.Acc of each is similar. Pot gives more R.Atk and STR. Meaning strong on ranged attacks/WS, but missing out on the melee benefits of sushi (which mean you get to WS more often with sushi).

So yeah, I'm not convinced to drop Sushi if you're meleeing. If you're standing at a distance and ranged attacking, sure.
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Anza wrote:
So yeah, I'm not convinced to drop Sushi if you're meleeing. If you're standing at a distance and ranged attacking, sure.

I think it was ment as if you know your going to be /RA only you would know to use a /RA geared food. Smiley: sly

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For those of you still interested. Update!

In my own personal experience leveling RNG this weekend. My shots went from 102 to 127 damage. which is a 25% increase. Racc was really good too. I only missed a few Slug Shots all night. I full timed my Shikaree Aketon with 0 problems.

In the COR dept, I used this food Vs the final ACP boss. It was perfect. And although we didn't win it is a great fight to show off COR's strengths.

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#16 Apr 24 2009 at 6:25 AM Rating: Good
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This is looking phenominal for ranged TP. Just wish there was something like this that would effect both melee and ranged =/
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Hmmm, I'm still not sure. I haven't parsed this but I don't think there is as much racc on these as people tend to think. My racc took a noticeable dive using it on birds and even just messing around in sky. The rattack boost is obvious but the racc not so much. Maybe I just got unlucky but my racc seemed a lot better with sushi tbh.
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Hmmm, I'm still not sure. I haven't parsed this but I don't think there is as much racc on these as people tend to think. My racc took a noticeable dive using it on birds and even just messing around in sky. The rattack boost is obvious but the racc not so much. Maybe I just got unlucky but my racc seemed a lot better with sushi tbh.
I think the Ratt bonus was the suprise. I would expect Sushi to give a higher % boost to Racc to be honest.

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#19 Apr 25 2009 at 7:54 PM Rating: Decent
Interesting indeed!

The wife is at work half of tomorrow, I'm going to get myself in a meripo and do some serious parse work for the r.acc. I do think it's a bit odd that it'd be placed around 25% though. capped at 100 makes a little more sense, but I'll do more testing tomorrow.

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Just tried it out at bird camp, since we had a brd giving acc songs, I went for it. While melee accuracy suffered slightly (parsed 76%), ranged attack was extremely noticed. I fought for a short period of time without food, averaging my typical 1,000 - 1,500 spike slug shots. As soon as I popped the soup, my slugs shot up to 1,500 - 2,000 spike damage. I didn't notice much in the way of ranged accuracy drop off. However it definitely was not on par with sushi. Better than meat, not as good as sushi.

In my feeble attempts at math, I'm seeing something very close to that 25% that's been reported. A very good ranged attack solamente food!



Edited, Apr 26th 2009 1:08pm by Spikido
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#20 Apr 27 2009 at 1:18 PM Rating: Good
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In my feeble attempts at math, I'm seeing something very close to that 25% that's been reported. A very good ranged attack solamente food!


If only we could convince cookes to make it!!
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#21 Apr 27 2009 at 4:22 PM Rating: Good
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If only we could convince cookes to make it!!

When I read this I suddenly became hungry for Smiley: cookie

Hopefully they start putting this up readily on the AH. I really like this food!

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#22 May 06 2009 at 8:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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Posted this in the RNG thread about it, figured I'd share with the Pirates too:

Figured I'd post some numbers from tests I ran on Pot-au-feu/Coeurl Subs today. I was strictly testing damage numbers, used scorpion arrows, same gear for all normal ranged attacks and same gear for all Sidewinders, no Velocity Shot, stood 1.5' away from each Aht Urgan Attercop (easy prey high evasion and defense):

74 normal damage shots per test (ignored all crit hits)
12 Sidewinders per test

No Food
Normal ranged attacks - 154 (low) 175 (high) 164 avg
Sidewinder - 1021 (low) 1132 (high) 1075 avg

Pot-au-feu
Normal ranged attacks - 188 (low) 211 (high) 199 avg
Sidewinder - 1252 (low) 1351 (high) 1288 avg

Coeurl Subs
Normal ranged attacks - 198 (low) 221 (high) 208 avg
Sidewinder - 1290 (low) 1411 (high) 1359 avg

If there is some ranged accuracy on top of that, looks like a viable food option. I'll let those of you with degrees in subjects I will never understand figure out if there is and how much.
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Thanks for the info. Appreciated^^

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This food is never on the AH on midgard. Frankly its kind of a pain to make and people do not want to pay for it. I made several stacks for myself, (Cooking 99+3) plus guild support and it seems pretty difficult to hq. Anyway on midgard the femurs alone run about 6k. With 2 per nq synth I decided to put some up at 15k for a stack. Even though I know several people were interested in it, it didnt sell at 15k after being up a longtime.

Honestly I would not make this to sell for less than 20k per stack if I was going to make it on a regular basis. Its just not worth the trouble. So unless some rmt start synthing this or the demand reaches an equilibrium where its worthwhile to make, I dont see the availability of this food becoming widespread.
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6k for femurs? What the fucking fuck? They're like 500 gil in windurst.
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6k for femurs? What the ******* ****? They're like 500 gil in windurst.


exactly what I was thinking. They're NPC'd on Ifrit mostly because no one buys them even at 500 gil. Now there is a use for them they might spike to 1k. If we sold femurs for 6k on Ifrit i'd rape dhalmels every day.

Realistically, even without HQ's this should go for 6-10k a stack due to the inexpense of the ingredients. Way cheaper to make than meat mithkas, just harder to HQ.
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Femurs should go for more like 1k apiece on Jeuno AH.

I don't think the market has picked up for this food yet, but I bet it will. When someone quantifies the r. acc. on these I'll probably start using them regularly. There are some places where r. acc is not an issue for me, like assaults, so subs will still have a place. TBH, I just never remember about this food when I'm at the AH, which is the only reason I haven't tried it yet.
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just like to say, for those of you doing ACP 11 boss fights, this food rules.

I've done the fight twice and pot au feu allows me to hit 85-90% from max range for good damage.

Was using detonators because of the distance, but never missed one in 2 battles.

So better than sushi but I don't know how I'd do with subs.
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I broke down and bought a stack to test at colibri tonight.

COR/RNG

Merits:
8 marks, 4 sword, 1 str

Gear (ws):

Tricorne
Joyeuse
Martial Gun
Steel Bullets
Barbrossa hands
Behemoth Ring
Coral Ring (other behemoth is lost somewhere)
Drone earrings
ACP Body: Ratt+10 QD-5
Amem+1
Warwolf Belt
Denali Pants
AF Boots

Normally with sushi my slugs where anywhere from high 800s to mid high 900s with Chaos roll at 5.5 distance. With the food activated I was looking at mid 900s to 1.2k with chaos active and 5.5.

As far as my accuracy was concerned its not sushi, as I was missing a little more then normal but I think I could fix that with Dusk Pants, Behemoths +1 in both slots, and racc earrings.

Detonator was showing similar numbers as Slug with the food activated, which was nice, so I switched to it. I think with some STR rings and such I can boost Detonator a lot higher then slug with this food.

Its interesting to say the least.
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"As far as my accuracy was concerned its not sushi, as I was missing a little more then normal but I think I could fix that with Dusk Pants, Behemoths +1 in both slots, and racc earrings."


Yeah this is what I noticed too. If it does have some racc on it, it's not all that much. I have 2 Racc builds tho, one that subs out racc for STR when I don't need racc, the other is max racc for when I do need it.
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Detonator was showing similar numbers as Slug with the food activated, which was nice, so I switched to it. I think with some STR rings and such I can boost Detonator a lot higher then slug with this food.


It shouldn't. Racc and Rattk are 2 stats Det doesn't need. Eating this food in a det build is the same as putting on a garrilous ring...about +2 base damage.

I'd argue Sole Sushi is the best Detonator food. Hard to beat +5 STR and the boost to MELEE acc will up your DoT due to more WSs.

I do like this food for Slug with a full RACC build however.
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6k for femurs? What the @#%^ing @#%^?


This post won the thread. I LOLed when I read it >_>

(And it is 6-700 gil on Cerberus Windurst AH :P)

Edited, May 11th 2009 1:58pm by scchan
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Id like to max out Mele acc and use red curry or some big meat for a det build but alas maxing acc would take a lot of gil.
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Id like to max out Mele acc and use red curry or some big meat for a det build but alas maxing acc would take a lot of gil.


What are you doing with COR that you'd use a million gil food for?

Surely not Colibri. Salvage and Nyzul maybe but that's kind of a waste of a 3 hour food.

if you had the gil to spend on red curry willy-nilly, surely you have the gil to max melee acc.
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Id like to max out Mele acc and use red curry or some big meat for a det build but alas maxing acc would take a lot of gil.


What are you doing with COR that you'd use a million gil food for?

Surely not Colibri. Salvage and Nyzul maybe but that's kind of a waste of a 3 hour food.

if you had the gil to spend on red curry willy-nilly, surely you have the gil to max melee acc.


I never said I was doing it, said id like to do it, for kicks and giggles.
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I never said I was doing it, said id like to do it, for kicks and giggles.

I guess I misread. Just couldn't think offhand where someone would use red curry as a COR. Most of the time subs are best because they are cheaper and only last 30 min so in a BCNM or fight with multiple deaths, its a better way to go.

But sure if someone gave me red curry i'd love to use it :).
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