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I'm not going to point out everything, but you don't need to set traits you're already getting from your support job.

They don't stack, setting MAB when /RDM is doing nothing for you.

CA, Eff
WoR
actinic burst
sleep
enervation
memento
BA
CW


i wouldnt rely on temps too much. if you dont get a temp chest in your group then you wont have it for your next try and if youre relying on that, it could be a problem. if you do memento before enervation, ive seen memento wear off before you get the spell off.





id add plasma charge, head butt, blitzstrahl, battle dance, goblin rush, regurgitation, cocoon, dream flower. im not online right now so cant tell what spells i usually use. your goal is to pull and kill a group of mobs with 1 WoR and 1 CW. really well geared blu's can do it in 1CW. most blu's can do it in 1WoR 1 CW. you seem to be worrying about what if CW doesnt kill them and planning for that which is lessening how well your first plan does. you WILL kill them first try and plan for that. if it doesnt work, repeat the process you just did.

I'll likely be going on a Blinding Horn Atma run in the next week or so (for an upcoming BLU in my LS), if you want to tag along, Peimei. BH makes a pretty big difference over Beyond in my experience.

It depends. If I've got a keywhore mule with me, then I'll usually use Ascetic's, but if I'm by myself and the target won't require Ascetic's, then I'll usually pop MM just so I don't have to go back for more keys as often.



This I can get behind.



Wouldn't it be faster/safer to just do BA+CA+Efflux+WoR > CW? That way, you're not using your "stun time" to use BA+CW, you're just casting CW immediately.

Personally, I tend to do it like this:

>Occultation/Cocoon/Phalanx/Aquaveil/Stoneskin
>Pull
>Dream Flower
>Memento Mori/Ascetic's*
>CA+Efflux+BA+Charged Whisker (all but 1-2 mobs are dead at this point)
>Whirl of Rage (to kill stragglers)
>If anything somehow survives: Battle Dance, Frypan, whatever.
>Spam key macro
>Repeat

*If it's something easy like Chigoes I don't bother with buffs.

I do this (meaning the sleep) because it's lazier and requires me to pay less attention (important when I'm going to spend 3+ hours cleaving for Sobek sets in Misareaux), and thus is probably a better method for those starting out with CWing. Even if it takes 10 seconds longer per pull, I don't get burned out from doing it since it requires so little attention, so I can last much longer and build more pop sets in an evening (which is the ultimate goal of most of my cleaving). YMMV, but it's served me well.

Edit: I guess the main difference is, I'm not looking at how fast I can do a pull, I'm looking at how many I can do before I burn out for the evening. If I keep from getting burned out and stay 12 minutes longer (assuming 3 minutes per pull baseline, a 3 hour base session, and a 10 second increase in kill time per pull from the lazy mthod), then I've gotten 1 more pull done than I would if I pushed myself and stopped exactly at the 3 hour mark due to burnout.

TL;DR

Edited, Dec 7th 2011 5:03pm by Aliekber

Aliekber send me a tell when you're setting up that run I'd love to get that atma and can probably get another blu or two that needs it as well.

Neither will Cocoon, nor Phalanx, nor Stoneskin, nor Aquaveil. It is the confluence of all these buffs that save you.



Using no MP gear (besides incidentals on idle/casting gear) with no MP merits, I always have more than enough MP to cast the aforementioned spells and have plenty left over. If you're pulling 20+ mobs at once, there is absolutely no reason to ever start out without full MP between temp MP meds, ISLs, and gold box temps.



Given that there is a set time on mob respawns and you can still open boxes while casting, there is precisely zero cost in time to casting Occultation.

In case you hadn't figured it out, Occultation is used to deflect the few stray hits you may take while pulling to preserve your Stoneskin for when it matters. Casting a free spell between repops in no way compares to wasting time during a pull casting Actinic Burst, which is doing precisely nothing for you when you open with Whirl of Rage as you should.

Edited, Dec 7th 2011 11:23pm by LyltiaofLakshmi

Will do.

Tried CW farming out in Vunk last night used the following

Aug Firmament for Whirl of Rage
Aug Firmament for Dream Flower
Jupiter Staff for CW

Head AF3+1
Body AF3+1
Hands AF3+2
Legs AF3+1
Feet Af3+1
Mavi Ammo
Rings/ER nothing special - Etheral, Brutal, Spiral, Addler

Atmas used Minikin, Baying Moon and Ultimate

Durings Lightnings Day used Twlight Cape and Obi, Was able to hit max CW at this time of ~4300

This was mostly a can we do this, I was on Ninja and partner was on Blu/Rdm. I needed 200 demons killed and she still needed a few shoes from Vunkerl and Mortal Ray. So we did Tarus

I did the pulling on Nin, So she just buffed and this ended up being the best order for us.
Pull to camp,
I was running a dagger and Sea Daughter on Nin, So I would Aeolian Edge, while the Blu did this:

Chainafinity & Efflux right before pull gets to camp
Whirl of Rage
Dream Flower
Memento Mori
Burst Affinity
Charged Whisker
Usually killed 7 of 8 mobs
last mob would have a sliver left.
Results were about 6-800 on Whirl and 33-3500 on Charged Whisker.

During Lightings day with the Cape and Obi, my Ninjas Aeolian Edge was not needed to kill most mobs.
PLus we can improve her gear a lot more, but this worked for us.

Romanus should be better as long as the addle isn't having any impact.

First, Get atma of the lion. I was a bit confused a few weeks ago when my numbers were not going up. Drop Minikin. Its a great atma, but you really don't need it. its holding you back if you are trying to CW burn. Razed Ruins would be better damage than minikin. Otherwise, beyond, or baying moon will give you better damage than minikin also.
That swap will make a considerable difference.

Everyone, check me if I'm wrong here, but I'm pretty sure the MAB and lightning attack+ are multiplying at different places. That is the main reason the jupiters will outdo the mab swords, and why the lightning damage + will outdo things like baying moon or atma of the beyond. The value of +30 is the same, but one is being added to existing mab and the other is a 3rd factor in the damage multiplication.

Priority of stats is this:
DEX (under Burst Affinity) > MAB > INT

I think dex and mab switch places in priority if you are not under burst affinity.

Here's my gear set:
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/208290 (finally went and brewed rani for an earring to complete my set)

jupiter's and a dex grip (don't remember what it's called) will get you a bit more damage, as well as better rings... but its worth the space to me to use the rings I have.

are you using /rdm? thats 24 mab right there. /blm will get if for you also, but /rdm gives you mdb, fast cast, haste, refresh, and cure 4 as well.

You can get the 20 mab bonus from traits anyway, because you will set both memento mori and dream flower, but /rdm is better.

Spells:

You can boost your dex alot w/ spells. Frankly, I've been dropping more and more of my defensive spells lately. I don't take occultation (too expensive). I might take cocoon and metallic body (because the stoneskin will be better than my enhancing skill on /rdm) (though w/ gear and skilling up I might beat it, haven't checked).

Spells I'll actually cast (in order):

Whirl of Rage (2 dex, AoE damage + Stun)
Dream Flower (AoE sleep + MAB)
Sound Blast (Int down on mobs make better damage)
Enervation (mdb down)
Memento Mori (short mab boost +20)
(Burst Affinity)
Charged Whisker

If I'm doing plenty of damage, I'll omit sound blast and enervation for speed.

Spells for other uses (mostly dex):
plasma charge (Dex +3, auto-refresh; maybe Winds of Promyvion instead if need erase)
Actinic burst (auto-refresht, nice oops spell if pull gets funny)
Quadratic Continuum (dex +3 ; I use mab swords so I want dual wield)
Barbed Crescent (DEX 4 and dual wield, nice damage too)
Head butt (dex 2 & stun)
Goblin rush (dex 2)
Blitzstrahl (dex 4 + magical + stun)
Frypan (dex 2 + AoE + Stun)
battle dance (dex 2 & extra AoE damage)
Sudden lunge (dex 1 & stun)


I dont' remember which other spells... not logged in atm... that might be it.


That should do it. 7k build. I know someone else posted this stuff in an earlier thread, specifically to get 7k damage.

Only thing, Now Gates of Hades out damages CW. On average I break over 6k and thats with no temps.

if gates of hades is doing more damage, great!, but that doesn't really obsolete a CW build.

Just a quick question on my CW build. Basically in the nect slot would 8MAB beat 5Dex?

the Stoicheion neck is 8MAB as opposed to the shifting necklace. Which would be better the 5 Dex or 8 MAB?

ALSo for the body slot, would 15INT of Praeco Doublet beat the 6INT/4MAB of Teal Saio?


Thanks for your advice, I get confused when it comes to Dex > INT > MAB etc..

This is strictly under the effects of BA by the way.


Cheers


Edited, Jan 10th 2012 6:39pm by runelore

Higher skill in blue magic reduces the chance of being intrupted.

A sleep spell ike sheep song or our "sea flash spell" can help if needed.

yes, blue skill.
also, /rdm aquaveil, mab, & fast cast.
Also, actinic burst is great to give you time to cast.
Mavi Mintan +2

Aquaveil I swear feels like 100% Interrupt Down. I've -never- been interrupted when casting anything.
Run->Grab 20 mobs -> CAEfflux WoR -> Dreamflower(If I feel like it) Enervation (on tough mobs, not Raptors or Snowflakes) -> BA CW. All dead. If something lives, WoR or GoH.
So fun! Even with my mediocre gear I drop 5500-6500 with BH/Lion/Beyond.

oh, that's awesome

I'm guessing that this doesn't take effect until SS and blink are used up as I've never seen it fail until those other buffs are gone.

As jlejeune said, if the physical attack wouldn't normally have a chance of interrupting the spell, then Aquaveil won't be factored in. Since a spell can't be interrupted by a melee attack if it does 0 damage (barring it having an additional effect like Stun, etc), having Stoneskin up will keep Aquaveil from being factored in for spell interruption rate until Stoneskin's effect wears.

Physical spells are affected by the skill of the weapon in your mainhand as well as your accuracy through gear, food, job traits, etc. So since I assume you're probably using a staff for Charged Whisker, you'd need to change to a sword for Whirl of Rage since Blu has no native staff skill, meaning that your accuracy would be extremely low and therefore your WoR would probably miss most everything of value.

Cool thanks for the reply, so it looks like I am on the right track. Blinding horn may be a bit hard for me to get since I don't have an aby shell, just usually duo/trio. I kill taurus in inlet since they don't hit too high and I can pull them all. And there is a bit of revenge killing in there too lol. Thanks for the input :D