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Very little has changed for blu except that it is more powerful and self-sufficient. It still has the same situational subs, and /nin is still the primary subjob. Now that we have a full-strength haste, and MP and MAB are plentiful in abyssea, rdm whm and blm have actually lost utility.

If you're soloing at low levels, by all means try /dnc. Personally I always found /nin to be the sub with the best damage output while soloing, as you can go all-out without having to spend TP or MP on cures.

The one alternate sub that I use regularly on blu is /sch, and I only use that for charged whisker farming, and only for aquaveil and reraise.

ok thanks,i guess i will lvl nin .

Well, an alternative argument would be that with /dnc, if you cure with tp, you save mp to do more damage that way. So it's a tradeoff, really.

Is /THF still considered one of BLU's primary subjobs?

I never see it anymore, and I figure atma has simply pushed aside the spike damage aspect of it.

I myself am more interested in practical application of a sub rather than theory. Using /THF as an example everyone knows it gives good spike damage, but how applicable is that in Abyssea? I've only come back recently but from what I've seen (and what the poster above said), /THF would only be useful in a situation where you have an actual tank with Provoke. Most things (outside of exp) now seem to be evasion/utsusemi tanked where /THF could end up pulling the mob onto you.

So is there anything left in the end-game that you could safely use /THF on?

I've never quite understood this "giving up potential spell damage" bit with /thf.
It's always had it's place in HNM's. You can stay back, pump out great damage and what not.

But in an XP situation? Shadows/DWIII > spike damage once a minute IF the mob's facing the right way or someone stays still long enough.

I can rip through mobs on blu with very little fear of death, including the joys of SSCing, far more than anything I've ever put out on /thf.

Practical applications of sub-jobs:

/thf -> Same as pre-90. Great spike damage (Typhoon and Vanity dive do great from what I hear). Great for planting hate and worrying about procs inside abyssea (toss some spells out, find the proc, SA/TA something, run away, reset spells, up for the next SATA cycle).

/RDM -> Gorgeous for things like CW-cleave parties. Native MAB, Fast Cast, Phalanx, Dispel, etc - also makes for an awesome support job inside abyssea (Spam Cure IV and Magic Fruit/Embrace).

/DNC -> Solo/eva tank. High evasion trait, high acc trait, drain/haste/Aspir samba's, MP-less cures and Dual Wield II. It brings a lot of tools to the party if you want to focus on surviving VS DD.

/NIN -> Everything else. In an XP party and want to win for damage (unless there's someone walking around with an empy)? Want to pull off 5-6k SSC's? Don't want to be the MP sponge of the PT (lets face it, even now, people see "Mage" in a jobs name and forget to cure you - especially if they see you do it yourself, even once... >< )- /nin's what you want. Lets face it, you can cover 2 grellow procs, 3 Red procs and actually live to tell the tale.

Ninja sub is your go-to sub for 90% of what you're doing. It gives you the ability to DD with little fear, tank in a pinch (or tank when you've pulled too much hate after that SSC), and have the fastest TP build out of all sub jobs while maintaining the optimal spell set.

Everything else is situational. Going to CW a bunch of crap? /RDM it is! Going to fight Isgenbind for hearts? /thf and stay the hell away! Want to go play by yourself and be anti-social? /dnc is for you! Want a small mechanical friend to pass away the lonely hours and keep yourself amused? /PUP and /dance until your heart's content!

For some situations, there's another sub
For everything else, there's Ninja.

Edited, Jul 3rd 2011 4:09am by AshokaPrime

I'm just gonna say, /dnc doesn't seem useful when you're solo.

The reason for this is that I can think of literally no situations where Curing Waltz beats Sanguine Blade in terms of tp:hp ratios, as well as the fact that it actually deals damage.

Well, actually, against undead or something with high dark resistance. But you get the idea.

/dnc pretty much only offers status removal, as you can spend MP to heal others and TP to heal yourself, even without /dnc.

Now, outside of Abyssea, TP for cures -does- seem cheaper than MP for cures (inside, whatever). This is still only relevant when healing others, though, as Sanguine Blade is still superior to Curing Waltz for self-healing.

This is what I was referring to in my above posts. I thought I'd bring /THF to limbus, but mobs die way too fast to be useful. I don't /THF in abyssea primarily because I'm either main tanking it or just there for procs. I just find that my damage potential has gone way down when I'm /thf, so I tend to avoid it now.

That's the thing with CdC.
You might spike some damage from SA/TA - but loosing the off hand (and all the spiffy stuff that comes with it - either an OAX, DA or Mod sword) isn't going to make up for it.

I mean, it'll be fun, don't get me wrong, but if you want to go for max damage output, saddly /thf isn't the way to go.

Beyond that, it doesn't matter how much hate you dump on the tank, when everyone hits the enmity cap (which is REALLY easy to do now) - that SSC goes off - You're tanking....


The best part about blue is that you can mix and match for the situation.
Any of these subjobs (rdm, nin, thf, dnc) - are acceptable and if you have fun with one over the other go for it!

We're just trying to help give you the best set ups for max damage potential.
As long as you're not meleeing in teal or AF3+1/2 hands/feet, casting physical spells with hecates or mouldy, Macc/MAB Swords, TPing in an XP party with -PDT gear or running around in a party at 90 with full AF1 and AF weapon, then you don't have too much to worry about.

Point, point...

I keep forgetting we can give ourselves dual wield.

Still... you know what I mean....

damn kids with their 90's not needing dual wield from a sub job with their hipping and hopping and pants around their knees and....Get off mah damn lawn!!!!going to go have some prune juice and watch Matlock.....

To be fair, we did a good job burning all the grass before we started caring about it....

I haven't tried it yet, but read another blu post about /mnk for tanking stuff where shadow's don't help.
Counterstance is very nice. I plan on trying it out, but my mnk is only level 36 right now.