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#27 Sep 18 2010 at 5:30 PM Rating: Decent
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this Mavi seal: Head quest is crap.
I'm going on 45+ runs of it in about ... 2+hrs of non stop repeating/zoning, I haven't gotten a single mavi seal.
as a matter of fact, thats just the introduction to the pain in the **** comming ahead because check this.
in 45+ runs I got ONE!! seal, and it wasn't the mavi seal, ONE seal in 45 runs.
So lets break this one down.
without exact math
2% chance to obtain a seal doing this quest
then you only have a 25% chance of getting the seal you want.
so 0.5% chance of getting a mavi seal. Thats 200 quests for one seal.
You need 8.
Start sending SE those emails now.
#28 Sep 18 2010 at 11:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Laernu wrote:
this Mavi seal: Head quest is crap.
I'm going on 45+ runs of it in about ... 2+hrs of non stop repeating/zoning, I haven't gotten a single mavi seal.
as a matter of fact, thats just the introduction to the pain in the **** comming ahead because check this.
in 45+ runs I got ONE!! seal, and it wasn't the mavi seal, ONE seal in 45 runs.
So lets break this one down.
without exact math
2% chance to obtain a seal doing this quest
then you only have a 25% chance of getting the seal you want.
so 0.5% chance of getting a mavi seal. Thats 200 quests for one seal.
You need 8.
Start sending SE those emails now.


I suspect your luck is bad. Had a friend get all 8 in 75 runs.

Edited, Sep 19th 2010 12:18am by doctorugh
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#29 Sep 19 2010 at 2:40 AM Rating: Decent
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doctorugh wrote:
Laernu wrote:
this Mavi seal: Head quest is crap.
I'm going on 45+ runs of it in about ... 2+hrs of non stop repeating/zoning, I haven't gotten a single mavi seal.
as a matter of fact, thats just the introduction to the pain in the **** comming ahead because check this.
in 45+ runs I got ONE!! seal, and it wasn't the mavi seal, ONE seal in 45 runs.
So lets break this one down.
without exact math
2% chance to obtain a seal doing this quest
then you only have a 25% chance of getting the seal you want.
so 0.5% chance of getting a mavi seal. Thats 200 quests for one seal.
You need 8.
Start sending SE those emails now.


I suspect your luck is bad. Had a friend get all 8 in 75 runs.


I've done it about 25 times, and gotten two seals. One is a Mavi.

It takes me about 5 mins a run with Atma of Ambition, but I haven't been going /THF. So if I change nothing, I can do 12 runs an hour.

I have around ten hours banked in stones, so I'm not even sure if I should blow them all in a daylong frenzy of Flown the Coop quests with this drop rate. I could easily see doing it 120 times and still not having the eight I need (it is eight, right?).

As for the leg seals, I've almost given up on it. The bat NM is constantly camped on my server since everyone seems to be going BLU now, and Tuskertrap is a pain to fight with it's super-Soporific, a pain to farm pops for with these flytrap's Soporific and paralyze TP moves, and no one wants to do it since we don't even know what it drops other than SMN and BLU. The quest for leg seals is a joke as well, with spicules running for 100K on my server right now with a terrible reported seal drop rate so it should be well into the next update before I have a chance at the +1 legs.

Sigh. Let's not even talk about having to get an XP party together in a wildly bad zone for XPing to get base feet.
#30 Sep 19 2010 at 2:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Mmm, looks like wiki is reporting Mavi leg seals from the Orobon NM. Maybe I can stop hating SE?

Edited, Sep 19th 2010 5:03am by DemonOfHunger
#31 Sep 19 2010 at 11:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Did Flown the Coop 75 times today in 8 hours of nonstop questing. Got 3 Aiod., 2 Creed, 4 mavi, and 7 Tantra.

Should take the average person between 75 and 300 times (or 8-32ish hours of questing) to get any particular head done.

Happy hunting.
#32 Sep 20 2010 at 12:03 AM Rating: Decent
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I did the choco quest about 50X so far. I managed to get 3 BLU seals so far and 1 PLD, and 1 BRD. I'm not too pleased with the drop rate either.
#33 Sep 20 2010 at 12:31 AM Rating: Decent
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ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:
I did the choco quest about 50X so far. I managed to get 3 BLU seals so far and 1 PLD, and 1 BRD. I'm not too pleased with the drop rate either.


Weird, it looks like I got three times the number of seals you did. It can't be because I was /THF, can it?
#34 Sep 20 2010 at 10:45 AM Rating: Decent
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DemonOfHunger wrote:
Mmm, looks like wiki is reporting Mavi leg seals from the Orobon NM. Maybe I can stop hating SE?

Edited, Sep 19th 2010 5:03am by DemonOfHunger


Also drops from flytrap NM, spamming the fish is the safer sure way however.
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#35 Sep 20 2010 at 1:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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As my buddy noted, fish is a lot easier with a gravity kite method over the flytrap. However Jar from Caitsith found that using a difference in elevation seemed to resolve the mages getting slept. Example: Melee fight at the bottom of one of the small ledges near the coast, near the pop area, and the mages stay up top to cure. Seems most people here are educated any how but figured this information could be useful. Less gimp blus the better!
#36 Sep 20 2010 at 3:52 PM Rating: Default
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ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:
I did the choco quest about 50X so far. I managed to get 3 BLU seals so far and 1 PLD, and 1 BRD. I'm not too pleased with the drop rate either.



Lol, try doing it 80+ times (now I have , up from 50 before..)
And still not having even a single mavi seal.
80 runs, total seals obtained = 2
I'm gonna come thf/dnc for th2 , its odd cause its a quest but... if anything itll change my 0 and 80 streak faster... shooting for 0 and 120! :/

I dont understand how some of you guys did the quest 80 tiems and have like 20 seals across the board.
My luck couldnt possibly be this bad. Someone is full of it.
#37 Sep 20 2010 at 7:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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Laernu wrote:
ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:
I did the choco quest about 50X so far. I managed to get 3 BLU seals so far and 1 PLD, and 1 BRD. I'm not too pleased with the drop rate either.



Lol, try doing it 80+ times (now I have , up from 50 before..)
And still not having even a single mavi seal.
80 runs, total seals obtained = 2
I'm gonna come thf/dnc for th2 , its odd cause its a quest but... if anything itll change my 0 and 80 streak faster... shooting for 0 and 120! :/

I dont understand how some of you guys did the quest 80 tiems and have like 20 seals across the board.
My luck couldnt possibly be this bad. Someone is full of it.


Luck is a funny thing. I did nearly 50 ISMs before getting my first Khroma Ore when usually 2/6 would get them.
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#38 Sep 20 2010 at 10:05 PM Rating: Good
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Final Totals for Flown the Coop are:

121 runs.
~11 hours at 5-7 mins a run and food/bathroom/sanity breaks.

4 Aoid.
2 Creed
8 Mavi
12 Tantra

Wearing the AF3 base item didn't seem to increase Mavi rate on the last 25, and /THF and Atma of Dread's TH didn't seem to add to overall seal drop rate. If I'd been going for Creed, I might have had to do this quest 500 or more times.

And for the record, my MNK is a level 1 so those tantra seals are so wasted on me.

Edited, Sep 21st 2010 12:14am by DemonOfHunger
#39 Sep 25 2010 at 10:20 PM Rating: Good
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Luck is a funny thing.


If this is true, I am thinking that 7 years in this game has caused me to lose my sense of humor. :X
I've been spending all my stones on farming murex mobs for spicules to turn in. I have so far obtained a single seal, and it was creed. Not a fan. I've got my double celerity going, but 2 stones a day just isn't enough. :(

I haven't even touched the flown the coop quest, or the bridges one...
Anyone have some tips on making that one faster? I've heard it's down to farming up spittle from those spiders..... oi. How bad are the spiders, or the drop rate from them?

Anyway, mostly was wondering if any of you have started working on the +2s and see any conceivable way for more casual players to get the items necessary, or if it's something that's going to end up being for endgame linkshells only?

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Since I have spent a lot of time on the murex farming (I have been helping a blm do the medical supplies quest at the same time - man did they get ripped off on their seal quest.... makes ours seem easy), I thought I would throw in just a couple small tips.
If you haven't noticed or don't know, Murex mobs aggro JAs and WSs at night time. Specifically, that would be 18:00-6:00, or 6-6. So half the day they will aggro to those, be very aware of that... they go down so much faster when you do use JAs on them, I wish they wouldn't aggro, but what can you do.

Secondly, if you have spent any time in bastion at all (I did, early on), you will likely have amassed a fair amount of resistance credits. Those things are seriously easy to come by. Even after getting my mavi legs and buying tons and tons of temp items, I had like 10k left.
The good thing is, the prefect sells temporary items that are extremely potent. Lucid potion/ether IIIs, Lucid elixir IIs, AOE TP wings, mana/healing mists, fanatic's and fool's drinks, monarch's drinks, etc.
There are 2 good murex camps. One is near the start of the zone, and the other is at conflux 3, right outside the tunnel area. Both are within a stone's throw of that prefect npc. So, to speed things up, I like to load up on temp items, and blitz the **** out of the murex camp I am in, using temp items and MP drainkiss to refill mp in lieu of resting at all. When I am out of temp items, I just warp/run back to the prefect and load up again. Honestly, it's much faster than healing, in my experience, and really doesn't take much away from your credits if you have a fair amount.

Just a couple thoughts. Good luck.


Edited, Sep 25th 2010 9:28pm by AmanoJ
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#40 Sep 26 2010 at 12:49 AM Rating: Decent
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As of today flown the coop totals are:
16 Creed seals.... thats 2 whole creed +1 helms
7 tantra
9 bard
5 mavi

Getting real tired of this effing quest.
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#41 Sep 26 2010 at 3:29 AM Rating: Default
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I got the head+1 yesterday wich was a ***** took me 3 days to get it and over 150x tries to get the 8. Now that I'm working on legs i thought i try my luck with Murex trading. I traded 30 Murex's got 5 tantra 11 brd 0 blu 0 pld. This is f'n bullshyt. Murex's arent exactly cheap and easy to come across.
#42 Sep 26 2010 at 4:06 AM Rating: Decent
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vstylz wrote:
I got the head+1 yesterday wich was a ***** took me 3 days to get it and over 150x tries to get the 8. Now that I'm working on legs i thought i try my luck with Murex trading. I traded 30 Murex's got 5 tantra 11 brd 0 blu 0 pld. This is f'n bullshyt. Murex's arent exactly cheap and easy to come across.


Murex's are selling fast for 50K each on my server, so to hear that you traded 1.5 mil gil for not even one seal just made me die inside a little. Sorry, man.

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Considering the difficulty of getting any of the mob drops, I think +2s are going to be outside the range of anything other than hardcore endgame LSs.
#43 Sep 26 2010 at 6:57 PM Rating: Default
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Murex's went down to 25k last night. then got up to 30k. I also bought 1 stack for 300k. But they are balooning back up now up to 40k+. It was nice while it lasted but even 25k each gets pricey when you don't get 1 blue leg seal to show for.
#44 Sep 27 2010 at 5:17 AM Rating: Default
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Just bought 3 stacks @ 300k each just now.... felt like at least i can get 2~3 seals outta 36 attempts. I ended with 1/36. But i had some gils on me still and decided 30k per murex **** on ah why not its worth it... picked up 10 of those and said thats my limit. 0/10. I just dropped over a mil and ended with 1/46. my total from all the **** is 1/75+. 1 blue leg seal outta 75+ trades. I think i'm going to quit the game. Outta the 75+ trades i recieved 10+mnk legs.. 15+ brd legs and 1 blu.

I sold my Culchalain back piece for 2mil thinking i would make progress in the quest to end up with 1 ****'n seal.

I play games for fun and the rewarding experience i get when putting in the time. To end up with a bullshyt quest that has me spending time stones/gill. Thats not cool and evil.

Ppl say fight the nm but there is a prob in itself. For starters you need ppl for that. I don't hav a crew or a ls that helps for **** like that. Also my cast lots are so **** poor that i can pretty much gauruntee i will lose to a cast lot battle. I know cause i hav 2wice. I'm not just trying to vent and /rant.. I want to make it clear that this is the kinda stuff that turns ppl away. I hav to do the war bst thf heads too and those 3x amoeba trades for a chance at a seal don't look like something i'm looking foward too. Goodluck to you all on this quest. Some of you will get lucky... and others will have a hard time and then theres the group i'm in that will hate the investment into getting the legs and just leave to save sanity.
#45 Sep 27 2010 at 9:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sounds like you made a bad decision trying the quest and selling your cape to do it, I wouldn't quit the game over it. I have been having horrible luck with the quests and NMs just keep at it and you will eventually get it.

Imo NMs are the best way to do it, especially going by you saying "I play games for fun" maybe you find the quest more fun, but I personally find the NMs to be more fun.

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The good thing about the NMs is that they drop more than just blu seals, so finding people to team up with is actually pretty easy. You could probably solo Whiro and Asanbasam, and if not, there are three other seals from each NM that drop. About casting lots, since these NMs are easy enough to low man you could easily set one person on each seal so you only lot against yourself.

For legs my best suggestion is to set up a little group for Cep-Kamuy. I made a group for the fish on saturday and we went for about two hours, We got (rough estimate) 2 Blu, 5 Drk, 5 Whm, 7 Sam, 4 Kemas Earrings. Not as many Blu as I would have liked but it was fun and I also got a nice earring and some nice seals for friends, so not a bad run. If you can't find help in your linkshell do some shouts saying that Drk, Whm, Sam and earring are up for lots and just bring people that have jobs for a kited fight (Rng, Thf(TH), Blm, Sch, Smn, Rdm, Blu, etc). You will get plenty of pop items if you bring a Thf with you and then just grav the NM and kite/nuke him around the flytraps. Just be careful because a vnm likes to spawn around there.

Hopefully this will help out and give some hope, good luck!

Edited, Sep 27th 2010 11:18am by ggrozny
#46 Sep 27 2010 at 10:34 AM Rating: Decent
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You could probably solo Whiro and Asanbasam

Whiro yes, takes about 15 minutes with Atma of Ambition and basic cruor meds. Might take up to 30 if you're not using meds for whatever reason. The method I use is to kite it around a rock (there's several good ones nearby so it doesn't matter which side of the eft area he's on), popping Actinic Burst when it's up and spamming DD spells until it wears off. Magnetite Cloud is helpful but not required if you're using Atma of Ambition.

Asanbosam is also soloable, but it's very slow going since he doesn't deaggro easily and you don't want to let him inside melee range for longer than you have to. Duo with another mage is safer and very fast.

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Easy solo, only reason I don't do it is how long it can take to farm a pop item. Leeching Current is dangerous (~2k damage) but other than that he's not a threat.

Point being, Grozny's right and you really only need 3 people at most for any given T1 NM. Could be wrong but I really can't imagine having that much trouble getting 3 people together for such popular items :x

Edited, Sep 27th 2010 12:34pm by Beleren
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#47 Sep 27 2010 at 11:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Hmm....maybe there is some mechanic in effect that inhibits the drops for the seal corresponding to the job you are. Has anyone tried trading the spicules as a MNK or such maybe you wont get any MNK seals but a bunch of BLU ones?

Something to think about....



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remoob wrote:
Hmm....maybe there is some mechanic in effect that inhibits the drops for the seal corresponding to the job you are. Has anyone tried trading the spicules as a MNK or such maybe you wont get any MNK seals but a bunch of BLU ones?

Something to think about....

I have not done this quest but I have done the chocobo quest and I got 0 blu seals when I was doing it on Dnc. I figured it was worth a shot to try it out on blu wearing the head with trial active on it, and I got 3 seals after changing to Blu.

I am going to go with completely random / luck.

+ That would be very mean of SE to incorporate something like what you suggested, and I know alot of people think SE are mean, IMO there is no way they would ever do that.
#49 Sep 27 2010 at 12:48 PM Rating: Decent
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ggrozny wrote:
remoob wrote:
Hmm....maybe there is some mechanic in effect that inhibits the drops for the seal corresponding to the job you are. Has anyone tried trading the spicules as a MNK or such maybe you wont get any MNK seals but a bunch of BLU ones?

Something to think about....

I have not done this quest but I have done the chocobo quest and I got 0 blu seals when I was doing it on Dnc. I figured it was worth a shot to try it out on blu wearing the head with trial active on it, and I got 3 seals after changing to Blu.

I am going to go with completely random / luck.

+ That would be very mean of SE to incorporate something like what you suggested, and I know alot of people think SE are mean, IMO there is no way they would ever do that.



I know, but with everyone posting how many MNk..etc drops they were getting it just made me think, and no I don't think SE would intentionaly do something like that but I could see it happening accidentialy. If someone were testing something for a specific seal drop and put code in to enhance that drop or to limit others and then forgot to remove it...that I could see happening at SE.
#50 Sep 27 2010 at 1:08 PM Rating: Decent
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remoob wrote:
ggrozny wrote:
remoob wrote:
Hmm....maybe there is some mechanic in effect that inhibits the drops for the seal corresponding to the job you are. Has anyone tried trading the spicules as a MNK or such maybe you wont get any MNK seals but a bunch of BLU ones?

Something to think about....

I have not done this quest but I have done the chocobo quest and I got 0 blu seals when I was doing it on Dnc. I figured it was worth a shot to try it out on blu wearing the head with trial active on it, and I got 3 seals after changing to Blu.

I am going to go with completely random / luck.

+ That would be very mean of SE to incorporate something like what you suggested, and I know alot of people think SE are mean, IMO there is no way they would ever do that.



I know, but with everyone posting how many MNk..etc drops they were getting it just made me think, and no I don't think SE would intentionaly do something like that but I could see it happening accidentialy. If someone were testing something for a specific seal drop and put code in to enhance that drop or to limit others and then forgot to remove it...that I could see happening at SE.

That's a combination of sampling and memory bias. Those who got more evenly distributed seals are less likely to discuss it (80% rule), hence sampling bias. Those who do post more normal results usually make brief posts that you're less likely to remember, hence memory and perhaps (when moving forward) a bit of confirmation bias.

It's random.

Edited, Sep 27th 2010 3:10pm by Beleren
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#51 Sep 27 2010 at 1:31 PM Rating: Decent
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I'll give the NM thing a try.
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