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#1 Sep 22 2010 at 9:42 AM Rating: Decent
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Trying to come up with some strategies to best utilize smn in abyssea for xp and for hunting HNM. Wondering if anyone is putting earthen armor to use against mobs like glavoid who can dish 6k of damage in a shot talk about man down! How are the BP2 Nukes? How does the smn BP effect lights?

Just got my smn to 83 and working on my smn skill I /bow to those that have capped it cause this is painful as hell lol....

Edited, Sep 22nd 2010 10:43am by kenshynOnShiva
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#2 Sep 22 2010 at 9:50 AM Rating: Decent
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BP's will give pearlescent lights, which everyone should want, and the teir 2 BP's can be pretty awesome. I've been soloing some NM's in abyssea the last few days with garuda, doing about 1900 Wind Blade's.

I just capped my smn skill last night. With the refresh atma's you can get for windy/ASA missions, you should be good. I once said that if you give a SMN enough MP, they could solo anything. Yesterday, I was proven wrong, because some of the NM's hit *really* hard, but, they still do a damn good job.
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#3 Sep 22 2010 at 9:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Toioiz wrote:
BP's will give pearlescent lights, which everyone should want, and the teir 2 BP's can be pretty awesome. I've been soloing some NM's in abyssea the last few days with garuda, doing about 1900 Wind Blade's.

I just capped my smn skill last night. With the refresh atma's you can get for windy/ASA missions, you should be good. I once said that if you give a SMN enough MP, they could solo anything. Yesterday, I was proven wrong, because some of the NM's hit *really* hard, but, they still do a damn good job.


Cool thanks for the insight 1900 wind blades not bad at all is that with 5/5 wb? dang nice which NM where u getting that on and how long is it taking to kill them?

Edited, Sep 22nd 2010 10:54am by kenshynOnShiva
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#4 Sep 22 2010 at 9:56 AM Rating: Decent
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kenshynOnShiva wrote:
Toioiz wrote:
BP's will give pearlescent lights, which everyone should want, and the teir 2 BP's can be pretty awesome. I've been soloing some NM's in abyssea the last few days with garuda, doing about 1900 Wind Blade's.

I just capped my smn skill last night. With the refresh atma's you can get for windy/ASA missions, you should be good. I once said that if you give a SMN enough MP, they could solo anything. Yesterday, I was proven wrong, because some of the NM's hit *really* hard, but, they still do a damn good job.


Cool thanks for the insight 1900 wind blades not bad at all is that with 5/5 wb? dang nice which NM where u getting that on and how long is it taking to kill them?

Edited, Sep 22nd 2010 10:54am by kenshynOnShiva


I was killing the NM Spider in Vunkerl, which took a while, he has a lot of HP. Can't solo him, but party up with 1 or 2 other blm or smn and he's {Easy Prey}

I also managed to solo all of the "free roaming" avatars in the various abyssea zones yesterday, including those that can 2hr, and the NM Marid.
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Pred Claws works great on Abyssea NMs in my experience too. I've been doing 1800-2900 damage with Pred Claws in Abyssea. Garuda is a beast at 85, I honestly think SMN got one of the biggest boosts out of all jobs from the new levels. Most jobs didn't get particularly strong new weaponskills, their damage didn't go up a ton. Ours did. Physical BPs are WAY stronger than they used to be, and the atmas provide a way to boost our merit BPs through the roof as well.
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#6 Sep 22 2010 at 11:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Pergatory wrote:
Pred Claws works great on Abyssea NMs in my experience too. I've been doing 1800-2900 damage with Pred Claws in Abyssea. Garuda is a beast at 85, I honestly think SMN got one of the biggest boosts out of all jobs from the new levels. Most jobs didn't get particularly strong new weaponskills, their damage didn't go up a ton. Ours did. Physical BPs are WAY stronger than they used to be, and the atmas provide a way to boost our merit BPs through the roof as well.


Yeah, it's awesome.

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Seems I am going to have to go znm hunting for a certain head band.....
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#8 Sep 22 2010 at 4:57 PM Rating: Good
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Pred Claws works great on Abyssea NMs in my experience too. I've been doing 1800-2900 damage with Pred Claws in Abyssea. Garuda is a beast at 85, I honestly think SMN got one of the biggest boosts out of all jobs from the new levels. Most jobs didn't get particularly strong new weaponskills, their damage didn't go up a ton. Ours did. Physical BPs are WAY stronger than they used to be, and the atmas provide a way to boost our merit BPs through the roof as well.


Just curious what you're using on summoner. Are you using a big +STR atma? or critical hit? Or something else? I thought for physical bps these looked pretty good:

Atma from eccentric eve:
Atma of the Voracious Violet STR+:Superior (+50), "Double Attack"+:Minor (10%), "Regain":Minor (2/tic)

Atma from Briareus
Atma of the Stout Arm STR+:Major (40) Attack+:Superior (50) Ranged Attack+:Major

Atma from bastok missions:
Atma of the Hero STR+:Minor (+10), Critical Hit Damage:Minor Regen:Minor (5/tick)

The critical hit ones might be pretty nice, since those nice bp numbers are usually from critical hits. But at the same time, I imagine boosting an avatar's low (compared to a DD with WS gear) STR by 50 might have a big effect, especially if you do STR+50+40 + Attack+50 (+45 for a total of +95 from that added STR?) by stacking the two atmas.

My gear is pretty good for summoner, and I don't have physical attack merits (though I doubt +15 attack will make a boost to those numbers of your pclaws anyways...)

So... what are you using? I have 5/5 wind blade and 5/5 heavenly strike, 5/5 magic attack, windurst atma (among almost all other mission ones), and +13 mab currently in gear (soon to be +20)... But there are some things (ie low manning bakka who absorbs ice, and I don't want to use wind blade on...) that I use my physical pacts on instead, and I'm curious to know your setup
#9 Sep 23 2010 at 8:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Atma that can enhance elemental magic accuracy and attack seems a win and any of the ones that has refresh seems good and if you can have your avatar out with REGAIN that's just icing on the cake....
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#10 Sep 23 2010 at 9:55 AM Rating: Good
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Annalise wrote:
Just curious what you're using on summoner.

I don't have any atma except Shantotto & Sandoria. I was using Shantotto at the time (only one Lunar Abyssite, none of my LS since Abyssea was released have been big enough to pursue the zone bosses).

I do pick up the STR/DEX enhancement from Cruor Prospector, with one abyssite of furtherance to enhance the effect. It's mostly just raw Garuda ownage. She got a huge boost to her physical attacks in the last 5-10 levels, I'm not sure whether it was increase to base stats or what. I'd love to get my hands on some of those atma you listed, though.

In terms of non-Abyssea related stuff, I have 5/5 physical acc & 5/5 physical atk merits, 8 summoning skill merits. Pred Claws gear is as follows:
Bahamut's Staff
Staff Strap
White Tathlum
Karura Hachigane
Sacrifice Torque
Spinel Earring (pet:acc+1 from ACP7)
Loquacious Earring
Royal Redingote (pet:atk+15, pet:mab+7/macc+7)
Summoner's Bracers +1
Tamas Ring
Evoker's Ring
Astute Cape
Summoning Belt
Evoker's Spats +1
Summoner's Pigaches +1

Edited, Sep 23rd 2010 8:58am by Pergatory
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One thing I'd like to test is if the Caller's Pendant Regain effect stacks with the Regain effect from Atma.
Did anyone check this? I don't think I have a Regain Atma yet ><
#12 Sep 23 2010 at 4:17 PM Rating: Good
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Eeri wrote:
One thing I'd like to test is if the Caller's Pendant Regain effect stacks with the Regain effect from Atma.
Did anyone check this? I don't think I have a Regain Atma yet ><


It does, and both regain atma's stack as well.

The Atma of the Baying moon - "Increases both Attack and Magic Attack Bonus by 30." Seems like a good one to get, for all around purpose.

Edited, Sep 23rd 2010 5:18pm by Toioiz
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I don't have any atma except Shantotto & Sandoria. I was using Shantotto at the time (only one Lunar Abyssite, none of my LS since Abyssea was released have been big enough to pursue the zone bosses).

I do pick up the STR/DEX enhancement from Cruor Prospector, with one abyssite of furtherance to enhance the effect. It's mostly just raw Garuda ownage. She got a huge boost to her physical attacks in the last 5-10 levels, I'm not sure whether it was increase to base stats or what. I'd love to get my hands on some of those atma you listed, though.

In terms of non-Abyssea related stuff, I have 5/5 physical acc & 5/5 physical atk merits, 8 summoning skill merits. Pred Claws gear is as follows:
Bahamut's Staff
Staff Strap
White Tathlum
Karura Hachigane
Sacrifice Torque
Spinel Earring (pet:acc+1 from ACP7)
Loquacious Earring
Royal Redingote (pet:atk+15, pet:mab+7/macc+7)
Summoner's Bracers +1
Tamas Ring
Evoker's Ring
Astute Cape
Summoning Belt
Evoker's Spats +1
Summoner's Pigaches +1


I use the stat boosts as well, but I do not have the abyssite for the bigger stat boosts yet; I definitely need to get those, for my other jobs as well. I also have max skill and use for pclaws (listing only my relevant gear):

Bahamut's staff
Karura Hachigane or Elite beret +1 (had 3/3 marduk forever but haven't gotten around to upgrading it, but it's cheaper now)
Sacrifice torque
Summoner's Doublet (<3 the critical hit +3 for phys pacts, I want the HQ)
Summoner's Bracers +1
Evoker's Ring
Astute Cape
Caller's Sash (irrelevant for phys pacts but I haven't picked up summoning belt yet...)
Evoker's Spats +1
Nashira feet (have relic but I always just tack on the skill since it looked like they didn't add too much by keg's testing)

So... you will have more than 30 attack on me using predator claws (15 merits, 15 body, str difference from your key item, relic feet) and I guess it probably depends on what's being used by others too (ie Dia 3). I usually use summoner low man with a few other summoners, bst, rdm, blm... So there is usually bio thrown on the mob for the DoT. So that's probably why my numbers are lower than yours. I think garuda was averaging like 1200 predator claws on Bakka last night, non critical.

I think the coolest thing though, is that once I get my second lunar abyssite, I will be planning ahead for what I will be fighting and changing my atma accordingly (since you can port around easily). I only have most of the mission atmas right now... But if for instance fighting bakka (where I don't wanna use ice or thunder, pclaws spam) I can throw on the aht urgan or bastok atmas with shantotto or windurst. Or if I am going to spam pclaws, windurst atma and hopefully something else good for magic pacts I have acquired (I really want the wind mab +40 macc+ one from Alkonost!). I love how atma works for summoner... well actually how it works great for many jobs. But it will be really cool to customize summoner with it.
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Annalise wrote:
I use the stat boosts as well, but I do not have the abyssite for the bigger stat boosts yet; I definitely need to get those, for my other jobs as well. I also have max skill and use for pclaws (listing only my relevant gear):

Now that you mention it, I should also say my skill is not capped. I think I'm about 20 points under.

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Karura Hachigane or Elite beret +1 (had 3/3 marduk forever but haven't gotten around to upgrading it, but it's cheaper now)

I'd suggest sticking with Karura even after finishing Marduk. I have Marduk and use it for the other avatars physical BPs, but for Garuda I'd rather have the attack bonus.

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Nashira feet (have relic but I always just tack on the skill since it looked like they didn't add too much by keg's testing)

Similar here, I went with the attack bonus because it's harder to get attack than accuracy. I'm up to something ridiculous like +80 skill, on top of the accuracy bonus from relic gloves, artifact pants, and merits. Generally my numbers are pretty consistent so I decided to start stacking on attack. I know keg's testing showed that attack does very little, but so does everything in this game. "Very little" adds up over time.

Also I haven't done a lot of NMs since hitting 85 on SMN. I've mostly been stuck on WHM lately. The 2000+ numbers are really more from exp-level mobs than real NMs, so I guess I was exaggerating a little. It's uncommon to see over 2k on NMs, but I was seeing 1800's pretty regularly. Mainly this was on Tonberry Lieje. Come to think of it, I think he's a BLM so I wouldn't be surprised if that's a little on the high end as well. I'm just glad it's no longer a godsend when you see 1000+ on an NM, because that's a painfully mediocre number relative to other DD output.
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#15 Sep 24 2010 at 2:30 PM Rating: Good
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Tonberry Lieje would be fun to whack with predator claws, but I tend to stick with levi just because he can eat like 5+ high level fire spells.
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Yeah that's probably generally good advice on Lieje, except in this case it was NIN/SMN/RDM so I didn't really have to worry about the avatar's survivability :)
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#17 Sep 25 2010 at 3:00 PM Rating: Decent
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I did it SMN+RDM so survivability made RDM happier.

Edit: Also did anyone figure out if STR helps BPs, or if we should focus on MAB for damage increase atmas?

Edited, Sep 25th 2010 11:01pm by Mellowy
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I did it SMN+RDM so survivability made RDM happier.

Edit: Also did anyone figure out if STR helps BPs, or if we should focus on MAB for damage increase atmas?


I would imagine that it does even if just by raising your avatar's base damage with raw str, and by increasing their attack. The one from Briareus giving your pet ~70 attack alone will probably make a difference, because as you and I know, high defense mobs yield kinda sad spinning dive and predator claws numbers...since 70 attack is just... huge. Full merits and all +pet attack gear don't even compare to that amount of attack bonus for your pet.

But I really think it all just depends on the target you're going after. For example, Imps generally being weak to fire, and bakka even being Ice, I don't think I'd want to use ifrit's T2 pact on it even if I was 5/5. I think that physical bloodpacts would outdo it, especially with the appropriate atmas, because imps just resist magical damage a bit too much.

I want to get more +STR atmas though and test them, but unfortunately at this time I have only have Aht urgan and bastok atmas. Aht urgan being +20 may show a noticeable difference? But bastok maybe a little less so... I want to get more atma and play with it.
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The critical hit ones might be pretty nice, since those nice bp numbers are usually from critical hits. But at the same time, I imagine boosting an avatar's low (compared to a DD with WS gear) STR by 50 might have a big effect, especially if you do STR+50+40 + Attack+50 (+45 for a total of +95 from that added STR?) by stacking the two atmas.


Right on, avatar's don't have particularly high STR at all, and most of the damage from Physical BPs come from a high multiplier rather than attack or base damage. Altering base damage therefore should have a major impact on damage, which can only be increased by levelling up or getting STR+ on your avatar.

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Also did anyone figure out if STR helps BPs, or if we should focus on MAB for damage increase atmas?

STR will help tremendously. As for the correlated attack bonus, there's been no testing to suggest 2STR=1 Attack, and any testing to that effect will be extremely difficult considering the minor effect attack plays for avatars.
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#20 Oct 01 2010 at 7:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Pets get cruor buffs too?

I knew about atmas, but not the others.
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