Carbie Kiting: What am I doing wrong?Follow

Ok, so I got SMN to 53 and decided to try out carbie kiting mobs in Garliage Citadel, mainly Hellmite bombs.

I got the first bomb to blow up no problem... in like 20 sec. But after that one, not a single one has blown up on its own. I've actually killed 2 of them by throwing enough carbuncle's after them. A few others I'd kite for 5-10 min straight before carbie stops being able to get hate. I don't do anything other than summon Carbuncle anywhere near the mobs, and that's only because if I go further out of range and it blows itself up I get 0 xp for it.

So, my question is, what am I doing wrong?

I buff up (Stoneskin (from titan), blink, prot, shell, barfira, then I summon carbie, and send him at a hellmite (in the room with the skeletons). I then run to the entrance of that tunnel, wait for carbie to die, resummon, then start running away toworads the tunnel that has all the weapon type mobs. I resummon, run a bit further into the tunnel, and wait for carbie to die, resummon, and here is usually where I start having problems with Carbie. He refuses to hit the bombs, and they ignore carbie and only focus on me, so I end up running away for a good min from where the pots are all the way to the other side of garliage citadel, and carbie STILL doesn't have hate... so... what am I doing wrong? Constructive critisim is appreciated. :)

One thing I learned during my bomb solos: if the bomb blows up and you are out of exp range, you can run back into range and still get the exp if you do it fast enough.

Several times when soloing at the top of the mountain, I would just see a semi-beaten Carby run back to me, and I'd quickly run towards where he was fighting the bomb to suddenly recieve the exp. And a few times, if I wasn't fast enough, I missed out on it.

Just something to keep in mind.

Regarding 50/50 chance, I'm pretty sure they nerfed it in the old days to be less chance to blow up just to stop people from constantly dying to bomb explosions. Might have just been the damage formula that got changed though. Just remember they adjusted bombs to not have adventurers constantly die to them if they ever tried to kill them.

Sorry, I have to over-turn that. Simple test in most any area can easily prove that there -is- a limit. Just get any monster, and if you run far enough (must be in the region of 200"+) when you summon the avatar, it will be facing you and not move. After a few seconds (longer than normal delay/lag) it will then focus on the monster.

Tested and took a video if you really continue to dispute it on a Marid in Wajaom.



This is a common problem when you get hate of any sort. This can be gained from getting attacked (hit miss blinked 0 damage all count) or by being merely hit from an AoE move (not a problem on the bombs since they kill themselves).

Occasionally the real problem is that you've summoned too close to the monster, but for bombs (which run at +0%) the odds are if you summon too close, you'll get whacked and then it'll be an attacked issue. It's important to trail behind your avatar before hate is re-focuses. If you do it all correctly, it shouldn't matter if Carbuncle misses or hits, the bomb will ALWAYS be focuses on him. You can use that to see when you are doing right, and when you are doing it wrong.

Other than that, you're doing everything else fine, consider looking at Spira's summoning guide on KI.



Edited, Jan 9th 2010 8:19am by kegsay

Yea, carby only defend within a certain range. Which is a shame since else it would have been a fool proof aggro detector. Now you only know if you have aggro close.

I still don't get why some mobs have super tracking skills though. I've had that darn chigoe NM lose track of me plenty of times, which is annoying. I've had aggro chigoes and trees lose track of me, which was great. I've had thunder elementals stalking me to the end of time. Also had Yagudo stalk me the same distance, though that is an older and different zone experience.

it seems the OPs main problem is likely the distance from the mob at which you recast.

The Carby HP bar is a good indicator of distance (it marks around 30') but that is not enough. Usually once you see Carby's HP bar disappear, you can still afford to take another 10 steps directly away from the bomb. You will still be in EXP range. I dont know the exact distance since you can't test it solo, but EXP has a guesstimate range of maybe 40+', so you have to really be pretty far to get out of range.

Another thing to note is that the arcana aggro radius is possibly around 20+', and this is an absolute distance if you draw a straight line between you and the mob, so take this into consideration if your kite path is windy, in such a way that there may be greater travelling distance between you and the mob, but the straight-line distance may still be within aggro range, causing you to get hate from the mob.
That said, this applies less to GC and more to Ifrits Cauldron or Ule