No perpetuation cost when the avatar is doing nothing?Follow

Is there a reason for avatars still having a perpetuation cost even when they're doing nothing?

Will it be game-breaking if the perpetuation cost is removed and the Summoner is allowed to rest when the avatar is not attacking?

Yea, all sane people think it should be removed. Just a shame there are no sane people working at SE.

It is EXACTLY as game breaking as allowing a BLM to rest while they have slept a mob. EXACTLY. And still people insist on posting about how game breaking it.

These forums would be much better if people learned the correct way of comparing apples and oranges.

Edit: Btw, while on the EXACTLY topic, resting with an idle avatar serves only one purpose, and that is to store TP. That means it is also EXACTLY as overpowered as having signet on to rest and keep TP. Well, less overpowered since you don't get defense bonus etc.

Edited, Dec 21st 2009 5:41pm by Mellowy

You mean like BST, PUP etc?

The problem with balance is that you can always find a way to break it.

Rotate 2 soul voiced BRDs for a zerg? Well, if killing mobs with 10 000 HP in 30 seconds isn't unbalanced, I don't know what is.

Aegis PLDs hardly taking damage from VT mobs? Sounds a bit unbalanced, even if not everyone can have an Aegis.

BLMs solo puddings for like 8k an hour sounds pretty overpowered to me, since I can't kill them like that on SMN.

A single SMN astral flowing 3 times to kill a promyvion boss sounds a bit overpowered also. Better nerf the job instead of improve it, right?



At the end of the day I think what matters most is what you can do in most situations. If I can't 18 SMN every single event I run to, why should it decide what I can and can't do? The balancing point should be how good your job is in an average party setup of 6 different jobs. Today I think a few jobs are really lacking at that.

"BLMs solo puddings for like 8k an hour sounds pretty overpowered to me, since I can't kill them like that on SMN. "

You clearly never tried imps on smn.

I think you are missing the point (as usual around these parts of the forums). It is not about if you can get 8k exp IN SOME WAY, it is that you can't do it THE SAME WAY as someone else. Overpowered is of course usually used to describe that someone does something someone else can't, even if the overall situation may not be better.

Imps however is an excellent example for the thread. While it is one of our best solo exp incomes, it is entirely uneffected by the ability to rest with an avatar out (and not engaged).

As for my personal experience. I don't find the risks worth the reward with imp solo. I'm always stalked by bad luck and usually get a near death situation within 5 imps. Besides solo is probably the thing I'm least interested in FFXI.

I don't see how resting with an avatar out is the same as a BLM resting with a slept mob. The way I always saw it was the avatar didn't want to be there and was resisting. And the SMN was using it's MP and "concentration" to keep the avatar in check.

Secondly, say they get rid of perpetuation cost; what happens to all that -perp gear? It'd become completely useless unless they changed it. And I'm scared of the idea of that much auto-refresh gear for SMN. You'd be main healing for the rest of your life.

Exactly. Speaking about how something is overpowered in a limited situation is nothing but silly. People insist on bringing up extreme cases like it were something that were happening constantly. As we all know DRKs with 2 hours and krakens are not exactly weak, but only fools bring it up as an argument against changing the DRK job in any way.

As I see it the only time a job possibly could be called overpowered, is when it is the main choice for the majority of the game. Which actually means the list of overpowered jobs are RDM, WHM, BRD, WAR, PLD, SAM, BLM more or less.

But again, it is a moot point arguing about what is overpowering and what isn't. Much better to discuss what makes the none-overpowered sessions of the game more fair. In this case not losing MP and able to rest with an idle avatar.



That would be from a story perspective. Do also note that from a story perspective summoning Fenrir kills you, as well as he can fend off 5+ King Behemoths on its own.

The comparison to BLM btw is about result and effect. In reality a BLM sleeping a mob and then resting is MORE unbalanced than a SMN resting with their avatar NOT engaged.



That is quite off topic since there is no discussion about removing perpetuation during battle, only when not fighting.