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#1 Nov 09 2009 at 2:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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So, I got into game and tested new avatar favor system, and here are my findings.

Avatar's Favor is a Pet command, meaning that an avatar needs to be out for it to be used.

Naked, or near naked, Perpetuation cost is about -2 with Avatar's favor up. This makes all avatars near free with the right equipment and without other people's help.

When avatar's favor is up, it is permanent on Summoner, but can be clicked off.

However, the effect is only available if the avatar in question is up. While this does allow avatars to be switched out, there can only be one effect up at any given time.

It takes 30 seconds from summoning for full effect to be in play.

Each avatar has an icon when favor is up that will hit all party members in range.

No idea on how/if avatars are weakened yet. I haven't tested that.

This is awesome!

#2 Nov 09 2009 at 2:49 PM Rating: Good
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Any indication that the avatars themselves receive the favor?
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#3 Nov 09 2009 at 2:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Tested Diabolos, and it appears to cap out at +3 Refresh, meaning Lucky Summoner's Roll without job bonus. Again, this caps out at about 30 seconds. It appears to ramp up on three levels with each level about 10 seconds apart.
#4 Nov 09 2009 at 2:51 PM Rating: Decent
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No idea yet. I'll test it with Ifrit to see if he gets double attack.
#5 Nov 09 2009 at 2:52 PM Rating: Good
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I haven't started the actual testing on the damage or HP / def etc... i'm sure someone will have a pc to use a program on it.

I'm getting the same -2. And when I switch avatars I get a new favor that replaces the old one.

You're right, this means that with great endgame collected gear we can have free avatars...on their rightful day. So..I guess people were right haha this really isn't going to do much of anything for us.
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#6 Nov 09 2009 at 2:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Actually, without Summoner's Doublet, the perp cost is at -2. If you have help, such as a SCH, COR, BRD, or RDM, or even Sublimation in a clinch, can do very well to keep MP up. Add in Elemental Siphon, and you can even use BPs regularly.
#7 Nov 09 2009 at 2:57 PM Rating: Decent
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One note to make is that each avatar has an unique icon that appears when favor is in place, and it affects all party members in range. If party members do not get the icon, it means that they're too far from the avatar.
#8 Nov 09 2009 at 3:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Did some tests with Ifrit, and it appears that favors do NOT affect avatars. In my fighting with enemies outside Windurst [S], Ifrit did not do any Double attacking.
#9 Nov 09 2009 at 3:11 PM Rating: Good
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So this means that the summoners themselves area affected by their own avatar's favour?
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#10 Nov 09 2009 at 3:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Summoners are, yes. Avatars are not.

So, this means that Ifrit will not get Double Attack, but Summoners can get things like Regen and Refresh from the favor.

Notes on range:

It appears the range is Ward range/Protectra Range. If the party member runs out of range, the favor will stay on for a tic and then disappears. If the party members runs back in, it will be a tic before the favor comes back on.

Edited, Nov 9th 2009 4:24pm by Keylin
#11 Nov 09 2009 at 3:17 PM Rating: Good
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It takes 30 seconds from summoning for full effect to be in play.


Are you sure? Because it takes AT LEAST 45 seconds to max Titans bonus, and I'd guess more around 1 min. Which Favor did you test?
#12 Nov 09 2009 at 3:23 PM Rating: Good
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A SMN friend with HQ staff, YY doublet and the stuff is losing 2mp/tic using diabolos ... could it be that SMN can't get refreshed by their own diabolos ? Or is it maintenance time already ?
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#13 Nov 09 2009 at 3:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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Keylin wrote:
Naked, or near naked, Perpetuation cost is about -2 with Avatar's favor up. This makes all avatars near free with the right equipment and without other people's help.


At what level? I'm level 75, and I'm losing 4mp per tic. I'm using Redingote with perp -2, a HQ staff, and Evoker's Ring.

I should add that I'm testing this while not in a party, not sure if that would make a difference.

Oh, and one last thing. With Carbuncle's Favor in effect, I'm losing 1mp per tic. Without the Favor, Carbuncle is now costing me 3mp per tic, when before the update, he was free. What gives???


Edited, Nov 9th 2009 5:03pm by Squintik
#14 Nov 09 2009 at 3:45 PM Rating: Decent
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It looks like it takes about 1:20 for max favor to hit, at least with Carbuncle. Using the favor timer as a guide, I watched how much HP was being restored per tick. When favor was started, it started at 1 HP/tic, and went up to 2, to 3, to 4, to 6, to 7, to 8, to 10, and finally, after 1:20 it hit 12.

It appears that Diabolos takes a bit longer, as it hit 3 MP/tic at 1:30. A bit slow for my tastes. It appears that different avatars hit different favors at different paces.

As far as Diabolos, I can get him free with the following equipment:

Weapon: Dark's Staff
Grip: Staff Grip
Ammo: Fortune Egg
Head: Summoner's Horn (No Dark Weather)
Neck: Summoning Torque
Ear: Loquacious Earring
Ear: Summoning Earring
Body: Summoner's Doublet (No Dark Day)
Hands: Nashira Gages
Ring: Evoker's Ring
Ring: Conjurer's Ring (HP lowered with -HP gear)
Back: Summoner's Cape
Waist: Heirarch's Belt
Legs: Evoker's Spats +1
Feet: Evoker's Pigaches +1

I also had refresh sigil and full Diabolos favor in effect.

Edit: If I had a Pluto's Staff or a Bahamut's Staff, I would not need refresh sigil.

Edited, Nov 9th 2009 5:03pm by Keylin
#15 Nov 09 2009 at 3:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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My Diabolos is broken or something.
It gives me 3 MP/Tick Refresh effect, not 4 as mentioned by other people.

My current set (not on Darksday or with Dark weather):
Bahamut's Staff
YinYang Robe
Nashira Gages
Evoker's Ring
Evoker's Pigaches +1
Auto Refresh

Diabolos is free but I saw on party member's MP bars that they have a 3 MP/Tick Refresh effect. >.>
#16 Nov 09 2009 at 3:54 PM Rating: Decent
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At what level? I'm level 75, and I'm losing 4mp per tic. I'm using Redingote with perp -2, a HQ staff, and Evoker's Ring.

I should add that I'm testing this while not in a party, not sure if that would make a difference.

Oh, and one last thing. With Carbuncle's Favor in effect, I'm losing 1mp per tic. Without the Favor, Carbuncle is free - what gives?


As noted in my earlier post, I'm also using Nashira Gages, Conjurer's Ring, and Evoker's Pigaches+1 (Feet +1). Those three items would knock your perpetuation down to -1. Get a Nirvana, and you can have free avatars any time.
#17 Nov 09 2009 at 3:55 PM Rating: Decent
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SeeYouTaru wrote:
A SMN friend with HQ staff, YY doublet and the stuff is losing 2mp/tic using diabolos ... could it be that SMN can't get refreshed by their own diabolos ? Or is it maintenance time already ?


What more does he have?

HQ -3
YY -1
Ring -1
Auto-refresh -1
Favors -2

Remember that he needs to remove 13 perpetuation.
#18 Nov 09 2009 at 3:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok. Unless I'm doing something wrong, as far as I'm concerned, this ability is totally useless. The perp reduction is not enough, we won't be able to keep our avatars out for long in any party situation, and unlike COR and BRD, we'll be a burden on other party members. There'll be too much downtime as we rest our MP, and with that in mind, no party will want us when they can get a BRD or COR instead.

I was hoping there would be more to this ability than we were expecting, but so far, there isn't.
#19 Nov 09 2009 at 3:57 PM Rating: Good
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Diabolos is free but I saw on party member's MP bars that they have a 3 MP/Tick Refresh effect. >.>


Wait, we just concluded it is 2 MP per tick on SMN. Could it be that it doesn't stack with auto-refresh trait? No other reason others should get 3 and not us.
#20 Nov 09 2009 at 4:03 PM Rating: Decent
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One note, the favors do NOT carry over when zoning.
#21 Nov 09 2009 at 4:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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If this update was intended to give Carbuncle a higher perp cost so he would no longer be free, then that really screws up our ability to carby-kite.
#22 Nov 09 2009 at 4:18 PM Rating: Good
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The carby mitts are not working at all, i'm pretty sure this wasn't intentional at all as they would now have carby mitts in the game that are rare-ex, cannot be bought/sold/augmented, and have no function whatsoever. They'll fix it in the coming "I fugged up" patch.


I'm very happy with favors though. -2 is a good amount, this ability was not meant to completely remove the need to collect good end game gear to have your avatars cheap or free. Also if you take advantage of day/weather instead of ignoring it you can have the avatar of day or weather free with favor effect. I'm happy also that the weakening of the avatar is not very harsh at all for what you get in return. If anyone is having trouble keeping their avatar out for 3 minutes, what you need to do is work on a good perpetuation gear set. I can't wait to use this when camps pick up again tomorrow in my endgame shell, since i logged out as drg last night and had to camp as that when i logged on.

Edited, Nov 9th 2009 5:29pm by shadowkind
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#23 Nov 09 2009 at 4:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Mellowy wrote:
Wait, we just concluded it is 2 MP per tick on SMN. Could it be that it doesn't stack with auto-refresh trait? No other reason others should get 3 and not us.
Auto-Refresh is always the first thing taken by Perpetuation, we could test this with Carby already. You can easily get over -9 (5 Mitts, 3 Apollo's, 1 Evoker's Ring, 1 Pigaches+1) in gear not including a body, then put on YYR for Refresh, and still only have 1/tick.
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#24 Nov 09 2009 at 4:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Has anyone really tested Ifrit's Favor? I went to fight things, and I didn't Double Attack at all with Ifrit's Favor on.
#25 Nov 09 2009 at 4:42 PM Rating: Good
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I've been hearing Ifrit's Favor is pretty much broken right now.
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It's incredibly easy to test if the avatars favors work on themselves. I'd test it myself but I'm on PS2 and the download keeps ******** up and going slow, only to restart itself.

Anyways...

The T2 nukes (ie Fire 2, Blizzard 2, learned at level 10) deal the same damage for each avatar.

Take out ifrit, throw on a favor, and have him use Fire 2 on a level 0 mob in a starter zone.

Take out shiva, throw on a favor, and have her use Blizzard 2 on a level 0 mob also.

If the damage is the same, even after letting shiva's favor build up a little bit, then the favor has no effect on the avatar.
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