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Update Augments Posted: http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/addon/index.html#shantotto

Elemental Siphon +20
Pet: Acc+7 Racc+7
Pet: Att+7 Ratt+7
Pet: Store TP+8 / subtle Blow+8
Pet: Mag Acc+7
Movement Speed +8%
Mp+25 Enm-4

Seems... Lacking for Smn.
No one would ever take 7Acc over our AF1 pants. Even when combined with 7Att.
Store Tp... too small of an amount to make a big enough different for Merit Pacts. Subtle blow.. no one cares. Mag Acc... Not good enough unless it has Mag Att on it as well. Elemental Siphon... 15 more mp every 5 minutes... Not big enough for anyone to waste on unless Smn is their only 75. More Mp, who cares. Enmity down.. For soloing maybe, but I'd still bet that Af1 Legs will outperform for soloing. Movement speed... Avatars still can't keep up with us, Gaiters are better if you have access, and running a tiny bit faster, to me, again isn't worth wasting a possible piece for other jobs.

I really REALLY wanted to sport Dragon Pants, with my YY robe to look bad ass, but... Not gunna happen, unless they make some adjustments.

If I was a melee Smn, Dragon Pants with 3% Haste and 7Acc would be worth it, but nope.

Quite curious as to how Conserve TP will work though.

Looks like this will have to be my Homam Legs substitute.

Of course i'll wait a few days after the update to see how the update really effects the job, but i see no reason to get ES+20 for me at least. I don't want another macro piece to carry around. I was thinking about making a good idle piece for when avatars are meleeing. STP/Subtleblow+8 and magic acc+7 might be cool, that way i could take out my magic acc merits and put them somewhere else since i have the acp body too.

I'll have to look more, but these may be going to my pup and bst. I like the look of both pants, hate the look of the heavy melee ones. Kind of sad none of these mini expansions have produced anything worthwhile for my drg. My smn and pup made out like bandits in both final mission items and augmented items from the chest in tenshodo.

Movement+8% sounds good for those who don't have 12% from Heralds (like myself). Plus, that bonus is useful on other non-SMN jobs i.e. WHM.

Elemental Siphon +20 is somewhat underwhelming, if you manage to use ES every 5min (unlikely) that's about 0.2mp/tick.

Pet:ACC+7 as I worked out a few weeks ago, is only 1/2 as good as our AF spats, so not worth going for that.

Pet:Store TP/Subtle Blow also seems pointless and much more geared to BST.

Pet:MACC+7 seems interesting, and could be worth it if you have max merits in Merit BPs and do HNMs. MAcc functions very similar to Acc, so an increase of 7 here will see your resists cut down by around 3.5% on particularly hard monsters, nothing too amazing.

Pet:ATTK+7 seems slightly pointless, resulting in a ~0.025 increase in PDIF on a DEF300 monster (fairly reasonable assumption). Even with a high fSTR ranking, that will result in a maximum 1 damage/hit more.

What am I going to go for then? Movement and Siphon.

Yea, I'm also unsure about what is better here.

I kind of wanted something for my melee SMN along with something for my avatar. But 14 accuracy is a bit much to toss out for something else on avatars.

I assume the 7 MND and 7 INT on the jets are better than 5% skillchain damage? (though the new pants have 2 MND and 2 INT too)

I was looking at this, was wondering do you think the +20 to the Siphron is just 20 more MP? or a fixed percentage? I don't know if I'd take up a spot for that. I mean the most you can put on the pants for smn magic skill is..5? ZNM / Salvage gear?

Well..guess I'll have to see how the update goes in order to decide what I'll be doing.

Movement speed is just for kiting anyway. A SMN actually walking through a dungeon with movement speed is not going to have a body guard for long.

Wish I could get pet movement speed up!

.2mp/tic is also comparing to no pants originally.
It's even less for those of us who are already using Oracles, or Marduk.
Making the net gain only 15mp per 5 minutes, 3mp in 1 minute, or .105mp/tic. And by the looks of this update, with lowered perp cost, I see even less need for Mp than we already had. I don't really have MP issues now, lowering perp cost, will only further convince me, I don't need to care about a tiny gain on my Ele Siphon.

The Mag Acc... Someone mentioned HNM's, currently with the ACP body 7MaB/Macc I've found it extremely rare to be resisted, with 0 Macc merits. I have 5 in Patt and Matt each. So I have a hard time justifying that augment.

The only use for Smn I see, is the Ability to Run Fast with no gaiters, but personally, I've never really found it to be a need on Smn, especially if our avatars can't keep up. The only time I've 'needed' movement speed was if I'm tanking something, which I don;t do on Smn, lol.

Summoner's who solo a lot will probably get the most use out of Haste/Double Attack, although I can;t understand why SE gave us 3% haste but only 2% Double Attack, when Haste is always better even on a 1:1 scale. Also take into consideration of what you're going to be solo'ing. There's a possibility that AF1 pants will provide more more Pet Dmg than the pants will Smn Dmg.

But melee'ing in (Turban, goliard, swift belt, nashira, and these pants) 17% haste, on top of (Brutal, Pole Grip and these legs) 9% Double Attack, you're looking at a decent solo build, with Hasso putting you up to 27% haste, and using Hastega for 42% haste, then swapping to Ifrit for 3 Minute Increments for another 12% Double Attack with his Favor. That's 42% Haste, and 21% Double Attack while solo'ing.

Please SE if you read these forums...Please add Pet magic attack augment. I have merited and made a magic build for my smn. Please don't let us down. It makes no sense why you wouldn't add that stat on the augments. There is every other important stat for melee and for pets. If they add that on the pants then I will get them for smn no questions asked. If not...i don't know if i can justify them for my smn, which makes me sad/frustrated.

If the elemental siphon turns out to be 20% i may consider it. If the effect was that good then I could leave an elemental out to get gains in mp instead of coming in at just above breaking even outside of day/weather. I'd walk around with some avatar out all the time if that's the case.

lol. Maybe your spirits are just rebellious or something, I never have that much trouble getting them to do things. But i was just thinking it would be entertaining to walk around with a spirit following you to regain mp and play body guard as opposed to having to see carby's ugly tail all the time when you look back.

I've been playing with that thought a while, but I usually end up using carby anyway. I'm simply too lazy to keep track of when siphon should be used to keep the MP filled and like just walking around.

In theory using dark spirit as guard could sleepga aggro, unless it of course uses one of the less useful spells.

On the topic of spirits I was trying something new out with light spirit. We all know (I hope) that assaulting resets attack timer, and is useful to do during AM to start the timer before the spell goes off. However I tried retreat on light spirit instead. With my gear (pretty good, but can't remember details) I got the feeling that it more or less managed to cast a spell 18-20 seconds after a retreat, which I think was faster than when I let it work alone. Still have no idea where the fluctuations are coming from in time. Lag? Spells not ready (what is recast on say haste anyway? more than 20 seconds?

This augment update isnt the best, so we actually have to put alot more thought into what we pick this time around.

Now Im thinking about MP+25 -4emn with movment speed 8. at least id be able to get away from a mob in time while my avatar sis getting beat... no wait.... I mean is distracting the mob.

But the ES +20 seems good as well... Guess ill gauge it and see when i get to the point where im about to pick my pants and augments.