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Damn, never realized just how pessimistic summoners can be.

Have a little hope, eh?

SE: Congratulations Summoners were completely scrapping the current avatar system and starting again to improve it .... No new avatars though keep dreaming.

I am goign to say this.

One stance where u can't BP but perp cost is halved.

One stance where BP are enhanced but perp cost is doubled.

Something to help the current Avatars is a TP charging JA, in my opinion.
Like:
Astral Charge - Charges the current summoned Avatars with TP. Amount of TP varies with day and weather.
A normal charge would give 100% TP, while a boosted one around 150%?
Something like that.
I don't know what the recast would be, but around 3 minutes should be enough.
This could help us with nukes and healing BPs should the need arise.

Yes this goes against the whole "We want SMN to let their Avatars stay out", but they didn't specify which Avatars >.>;

They will make it so you have to equip bloodpacts to your avatars like a blue mage does. However the number of bloodpacts equiped determines the potency of the pact.

Predator Claws with nothing else added as a pact = extra accuracy, attack, critical hit rate by a %

Ariel armor with nothing else added = more blinks.

That's just me!

Everyone is already levelling SMN like wildfire because of the "new" Astral burns. If they make SMN too powerful it will definitely be noticed since everyone and their mom has SMN75 these days.

Those who are up to date on the WotG mission line should know what the next avatar is likely to be.

SpoilerAtomos - light based avatar

Actually, some of the official FFXI books released over in Japan point towards Atomos and Phoenix being our next two avatars. A good friend of mine owns one that offers a detailed and comprehensive guide to basically everything in the game (NPC backgrounds, the other areas of Vana'diel yet to be released, etc), and in the Avatar section, which details everything regarding our current Avatars, both Atomos and Phoenix have their own small sections in there. Odin and Alexander are mentioned as storyline characters, and didn't appear in the same section as the other ones.

Diabolos and Alexander were pretty huge give-aways that they were going to be added. Both were actually cycling blood pact attacks against you, and used a 2 hour move during the battle.

Bahamut doesn't really have any pacts (unless Terra flare would be a pact, as well as summon wyrm, neither likely to be given to SMN). Odin also has more of a "Fomor" attack style than avatar style, though he does have a 2 hour move.

Fenrir wasn't really hinted at being added, people just assumed it would be since there was the Summoner job and all other known avatars were summonable.

I still think Phoenix and Alexander are the best guesses for new avatars. But that is of course going by Blood Pact avatars, which is what SE says they did not intend to add.

Weren't there supposed to be a crystal at the rock of re-birth in ... I never remember the name... Tiamat land.

Attohwa Chasm? Don't feel bad I had to look it up. And I have on idea if there is or was suppose to be? Is this back when people were spreading a rumor of a orange/redish crystal with feathers around it?

You know just for kicks while looking up the Tiamat place, I looked up pheonix on wiki. Noticed they said Phoenix was reborn by the people in the Far East. Where exactly is that? Is the Far East where the beastmen are in Aht Urhgan?

Edited, Oct 18th 2009 9:37am by Unclear

If Summoner is going to inherit a stance-based system, I hope we gain an ability similar to SCH Celerity/Alacrity, which will allow us to rapidly summon an avatar into play - even if it has a lengthy re-use timer, and comes at the price of increased perpetuation.

Oh, and while I'm dreaming here, it would also be nice if we gained an Avatar-friendly version of the Conserve MP job trait - it wouldn't affect perp cost, but it would occasionally kick in and reduce the cost of BP's.

In all the other final fantasies we always got 1-3 non-elemental summons so maybe it'll be something completely new.

Here's a revolutionary new "wist list" for Summoner update.

What if: Summoners could "assign" their summons to other members of the party. IE you summon an avatar, you use the "assign" ability on a PT member, then the avatar becomes the pet of the PT member. The PT member gains the ability to use BP and all stats runs off of the summoner rather than the "Assigned master".

1) BP used by the "Assigned master" will consume MP from the Summoner
2) Perp will be drawn from the Summoner rather than the "Assigned Master"
3) Everyone gets their own BP timer.
4) "Assigned Masters" can only use BP if the Summoner is in the PT.
5) Each Summoner could only keep out one copy of each Avatar/Spirit.


Then lower BP cost and and Perp cost by A LOT.
Give the "Assign" ability a 1min timer so that it can't be spammed and forces Summoners to keep Avatars out.


Edited, Oct 20th 2009 2:38pm by taishokukanoki

Edited, Oct 20th 2009 2:39pm by taishokukanoki

I can see where you're coming from now. At first glance I figured you wanted it for faster pact/releasing and that style just annoys me since that's what we're trying to get away from is all. I can understand the annying feeling that comes from carby dying, mob comes for you and avatar has to be summoned, come out..give a quick hello and then he's off.