Sacrifice Torque vs Summoning TorqueFollow

Ohai there! :)

As an up and coming Summoner (2k to 65 and Summoning Torque, Eclipse Bite and Nether Blast, yay!) I did some digging around and search-fu has failed me on a real comparison of the damage in Rages with Sacrifice Torque vs. Summoning Torque.

I began to wonder about it because as mentioned above, I'm closing in on 65 for Summoning Torque (I'm going to pick it up regardless) but also happened to have a Sacrifice Torque drop for me in the Puk ISNM recently and it got me wondering about whether Sacrifice was perhaps a better option for Rages (as long as my avatar's accuracy is good enough to be able to miss out on that 7 Summoning Skill from Summoning Torque of course. For higher-level stuff I plan on Summoning all the way for the accuracy.) Another SMN in LS didn't know, but he'd been debating picking up a Sacrifice Torque for a while and was as curious as I was about the answer.

Has any testing been done? I couldn't really even find any hard numbers on the damage increase from Sacrifice's latent much less a comparison of the damage difference in Rages between the two torques, any information or links would be deeply appreciated! (And feel free to sic Carby on me if I missed an obvious link.) ;)

Sacrifice Torque is awesome. Don't leave home without it. Even just for being able to wake yourself up, it's worth the low price of the thing. However, I also swap it in for every single physical Rage BP that I do. The attack boost it offers is very significant, I noticed a consistent 50-75 damage per BP increase when I began swapping it in at Dynamis. No solid testing to offer as proof I'm afraid. However, it only costs you ~6 MP to swap it in for a single BP, so you aren't giving up much aside from the potential summoning skill +7 from Summoning Torque. I suppose if your avatar's accuracy is really horrible, use the Smn Torque; otherwise, use the Sac Torque.

It's not just about not having horrible accuracy; even if you can't eyeball it, the accuracy could easily give more DoT through sheer consistency than the enhanced attack could. Sure, attack is greater for spike damage, but even SMNs don't attack (BP) just once.

It's not a hard rule for summoning magic, but neither is it a hard rule for attack.

It's just harder to pinpoint at what point attack eclipses accuracy. on avatars, since we have a lack of stat details and most parsers aren't geared for pets as well as players.

Yeah it drains 8 HP and 3 MP per tick. It sounds like you're doing same torque swaps that I am, but definitely look at getting your macros fixed to swap out the Sac Torque as soon as possible after the BP lands.


Seriously? I think SMN is one of the most powerful Dynamis jobs in the game! The difference between having a SMN and not having one in Dynamis can have a bigger effect than pretty much any other job. BLM is the only one that can really claim superiority due to Sleepga II. That makes BLMs pretty important, but beyond that SMN has the largest impact. Properly-applied (read: landing when the mob is at ~70%) the stun from Chaotic Strike will last for the rest of the mob's life, which in most cases means no 2-hour. This can completely circumvent hundred fists, mijin gakure, benediction, etc. which aside from bad pulls are pretty much the only thing that can go wrong in Dynamis if folks are paying attention. I love doing Dynamis on SMN, I feel more useful there than almost any other event in the game. Pred Claws does pretty well there too, not hard at all to break 1000 damage so that's kinda nice for the e-peen.

I used to be in the Summoning Torque camp, but testing but more importantly the addition of the ACP body has made things so much easier for me.

I now use ACP body with a +15 avatar acc augment and swap in Scarifice Torque instead of summoning.

I do miss the more freqent BP crits from the relic body (also a possible mod from ACP body) that resulted in insane BP damage, but as the above poster noted, consistency is king. Though I lose those extra BP crits, I moved up to a higher damage curve on BPs, especially Garuda's Predator Claws.

The real difference now with the ACP body is that It gives me a huge leeway to swap up smn magic skill gear for +attk.
On Garuda, I now stack it up, using Hachigana + Sacrifice w/ body. I used to use Marduk's Tiara/Torque for +14 SMN skill and Relic Body.




Edited, Jul 28th 2009 10:32pm by Dekusutaa

It'll be something along the lines of;

/pet "Spinning Dive" <t>
/wait 1
/equip Neck "Sacrifice Torque"
/wait 5
/equip Neck "Summoning Torque"


Edited, Jul 29th 2009 10:29am by Squintik

Wow guys, thanks! You've all been wonderfully helpful- I think I'll definitely mule and hang onto that Sac Torque for future use alongside my Summoning Torque once I hit 71, since I see several of you noticing what sounds like a pretty consistent difference in Rage damage using it.

Thanks again!