Job Adjustments and Additions Part IIFollow

BST gets Sic II at 60.

That would be great.
Too bad it won't happen because SE thinks "BSTSUXX"...

Oh right, preorders open today. That should have been obvious. > >; Once again, Square-Enix crushes my hopes and dreams.

"In order to make Summoner more versatile and viable in all situations, we'll be introducing a new line of Lv75 Blood Pacts. They will be physical single-shot Blood Pacts with capped accuracy that deal a static 762 damage (before physical damage reduction calculations). The Blood Pacts will cost 215 MP, and will all be slashing damage."

Because what we need most is more ways to deal the same amount of damage. SE knows this.

Seems to be the way they're going with everything else these days, so it really wouldn't surprise me...

Maybe I'm wrong but didn't they say that there would be a new system? Or do you think when they said "By this time next year you won't be asking where your new avatars are but how to use them." kinda meant like their pacts have perks like Diabolos or Fenrir's being with day/night and moon phase? I thought they talked of a new "system" with these new ones.

Anyways, as for the job adjustments. How would this be bad, if our avatars are suppose to be so connected to their day. A decent\big boost to the avatar of that day. Of course with S.E. if you get something you give something up so it would be reverse for the avatar weak to that day. But on that day get things like Atk/Acc boosts in both magical and physical. Ward duration is increased and some getting a little stronger. Like Titans Earthenward on Earthsday, or Ifrits Warcry. And someone mentioned a long time ago about giving us a decent Enspell damage of the avatar, but apply it to the day. So only Ifrit would get enfire of..25 damage extra at 75?

I don't know, maybe it's a horrible idea. I just would like something that gives us a reason to keep them out and to use them all. And that, to me, would most likely do it. Only downside would be Lightsday, but I feel that will change soon for us.

They've only done it for two jobs. Though WHM was more like 3 patches rolled into one. The amount of stuff we got was insane. RDM received a single ablity that multiplied our self buff spells to stratospheric levels of efficiency.

Since SMN already got crumbs last time, I'd expect and additions to SMN either be purely new avatars, or avatars + a new ability and trait.

Ildon said it first, though in a joking manner, they both should get -25

It was meant to be stupid. The game seems to be moving to a yinyang system of job abilities, and it wouldn't surprise me to see more of them added.

I can think of four...

SAM: Seigan + Hasso
SCH: Light Arts + Dark Arts
WHM: Afflatus Solace + Afflatus Misery
NIN: Yonin + Innin

I'm not a huge fan of the system, but SE seem to have fallen in love with it if the upcoming NIN update is anything to go by.

To be honest, I'd be happy with even crumbs right now. SE have been pippet-feeding us for years now, and as much as I want to see a drastic job improvement, im too realistic to hold out hope for one. New summons have been on the drawing board since they actually got the damned drawing board, but they seem reluctant to actually give us anything with real meat to it. Elemental Siphon was a nice addition, but hardly a groundbreaking job-changing experience.

SMN is a job I enjoy only while soloing or in a duo with another SMN. Why? Because in XP parties im still expected to play the part of a subdued white mage with the occasional appearance of a glowing parrot-lady smacking seven shades of crap out of our enemies. It'd be nice if SE did something anything to make our damage useable more often, or at least hit harder or more accurately on XP level enemies. They didn't even allow our 65+ BPs to skillchain, despite the fact that all our others CAN. Sometimes I wonder if SE hates the job more than im starting to loathe my choice.

Still, I live in hope that SMN will, if you'll pardon the expression, rise like the proverbial Phoenix and reclaim it's princely title as lord of avatars. If they ever become even a patch on the summoners of old, it'll be only too soon.

DNC: Saber Dance + Fan Dance

I would also count that.

It seems to be the way that they're going indeed. That's 25% of jobs so far.

Edited, Jul 7th 2009 4:00pm by Ildon

I was replying to this quip



That jobs tend to have a duality of job abilities is not news. It's been there for a long time. But the poster implied is a new trend, and if even if it was, SMN also got it in blood pact rage and ward years ago.

It'd be far more constructive to just discuss things rather than boxing yourself into a corner with a quick and dirty observation of a 'trend' then attack anyone who disagrees with you.


Edited, Jul 8th 2009 12:39am by Dekusutaa

Now, now, remember that SE gave us a boost in April. Small though it is, it pushes SMN to the back of the line behind the other jobs.

I guess we're not going to get Madeen (Maduin) either.

Just a thought. But would it not be fun to get some use out of elemental's other then Siphon.

Stance {insert name here} ~ ability to summon 2 elemental's at one time

Ai controlled so complicated control would not be a problem

would actually make use of the -perp merits

NM's are getting 4 elemental's at a time and it looks fun.

just a thought though.

You mean YOU use. I'm pretty sure not a single WAR I've ever met did.

Of course not. All we -might- be getting is a new Avatar. And new Avatars are always patch-day fodder.

Every time I looked at the thread title, my first reaction was "New update notes with SMN in them!", but then I remembered it was just speculation.

And now the new update notes are out, and they're fixing a problem we never had. Seriously, when was the last time anyone had trouble skilling up low to mid level skills? I guess that's good news for SMNs that Astral Burned to 75?

It wasn't an attack, merely reaffirming my original point. Besides, the words 'constructive' and 'Summoner' haven't gone hand-in-hand since they announced Diabolos, and he didn't exactly turn out to be the must-have Avatar that was expected.

Sure we got Siphon, but not for a long time have we had any changes which directly affect the way SMN is played. The only one I can really think of was the separation of wards and rages. And no, Rage and Ward are not a 'duality of job abilities'. They both operate on individual recast timers allowing us to both attack and defend rather than one or the other like it was when I first levelled SMN. The ones I refer to were mutually exclusive abilities where you have to pick between one 'stance' or another. It's all very Yin and Yang.

No, I don't really care to see a function like that added for SMN. I'd much rather they actually took some care and attention to the job and buffed our avatars or gave them some more useful skills. New avatars would certainly get me motivated, but if they turn out to be another Diabolos I daresay I might lose all hope for SMN's future.

Count me as someone who thinks job adjustments should be given to fix balance issues with the game- by buffing up the jobs that get widely neglected. I hate the notion that a job needs an update just 'cuz they haven't had one in a while.

That's why it's so frustrating to see Ninja get new toys this time around while we're in the dark about SMN.

Edited, Jul 10th 2009 8:19pm by HalladayWeekend

I'm pretty sure the Friday notes will be pointless stuff. Something like "We are proud to introduce Atomos as a wandering HNM in Northlands. Notable drops are super SAM items, super WAR items and super BLM items"

B-but that was yesterday's notice, too! ; ;

I've already read that idea from someone on the SMN forums many moons ago, was that you? Ultimately I think many concluded that, because X, Y, and Z were technically Magus Sisters, that the sister's iteration was finished.

Further, I'd love to think that SE would actually do something like that, make some crazy trio-avatar that operates on some new, awesome level that truly helps improve Summoner instead of another mindless visual to be whipped out and promptly discarded once every ~51 seconds or so... I just find it hard to think that they would actually do it, or that they're even actually "working on" a new/some new avatar(s) at all for that matter. Honestly, regardless of what they implement, it couldn't be the product of three year's work: people write immortal novels in three years, wars rise and fall in three years; new avatars shouldn't take three months.

Now this is the hardcore update we need..Curry Buns!! .....changes everything.

Haha they know what they're doing and you gotta laugh about it.

And you're right they wouldn't announce a new avatar because of the storyline, all I know is if I'm waiting until Monday night to start searching for this avatar and it turns out to be a f*$king cat with boots, I'm going to strangle a taru with a mithra's tail.

Well now only Monday will tell.

Actually Mellowy, they do get a seperate update announcement, but last time it was done on the same day as the update.

http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/topics/backnumber/topics200512.html

Just scroll down a little on that page, Diabolos/Bahamut fight announced same day as the update itself. I still won't get my hopes up until I actually see it on the official site though.