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I haven't done a SMN burn for a while. Least not since it's rumored SE ninja gimped it.

How my group used to do it, though. There was the 3x Summoners. Sometimes one of those Summoners would be the syncee, other times someone else would. The 3 Summoners would basically just sit back and take it easy until it was time for level sync.

Meanwhile, the tank and the people who are leeching would gather the mobs. Tank would pull his/her own mobs, then the people who would leech would go behind the tank and grab any mobs he might have missed. Then while tank holds the mobs, they would go change to their desired jobs they wanted to leech on.

Once that set is done, if there was another tank to rotate, we would. Normally we had 2 tanks. One PLD/RDM. And one RDM/??? (I forget).

On Shiva server, 89% of SMN burn is done in Korroloka Tunnel. If that place is full (which it is almost all the time) some groups go to Buburimu, or Shakrami. Which is maybe why you don't see as many groups doing this as you would think; they're in different areas.

It's not unheard of that someone will pay 1mil+ gil in order to fill in as a leech spot to get a subjob done, if you're not well acquainted with anyone who does them regularely / at all.

As far as depoping. That's what the rumored ninja gimp is. Again, I haven't done this for quite some time. But some groups believe calling for help on one mob makes some sort of difference in something. My group never did, and we rarely had problems.

There's no proper way. No way that Summoners can help prevent mobs from depoping. The Summoners job is simply to cast avatar (a good distance away from all mobs), use Astral Flow (again, away from all mobs). Then to target one mob with Astral Flow ability (do NOT assault), then to stand there as the mobs kill the avatar, which is normally in a matter of 2 seconds (no releasing).

They then go back to camp, pop a ether, wait for cool down, rinse and repeat. There's no room for improvement from the Summoners. Only thing I can think of is for the tank to get as much hate on all mobs as possible. Which with so many, is not so easy.

Edit;

Forgot to mention. The people who would leech, and the tank would be in the same party while pulling. If it's a PLD tank, once all mobs are gathered, he would pull hate off the leeches by curing them. Or if able, he would rest and the leechers would run around him, which caused the mobs to link with the other mobs, since /heal apparently tells them he's about to die.

Once as many mobs are on the PLD as can be, he uses Sentinel just to be sure. Then the leechers disband and go change jobs. Normally the PLD has time before they get back to use Sentinel again. This seems to help secure hate. Resulting in less depops.

Edited, Jun 7th 2009 8:18am by AaralynTrying

Hm I may have found the answer. A guide I read on Astral Burning says the SMN are supposed to space their Blood Packs 20 seconds apart. It doesn't say why, but I imagine that's to stop from despawning? If despawning wasn't an issue I don't know why the SMNs couldn't just Astral Flow at the same time. Do you think this is the key or is there something else I need to be doing?

Also, when I inform the SMNs that they'll have to space it out 20 seconds apart they're going to ask me how we should organize that. Any tips on a macro maybe that informs the SMN it's their turn to begin summoning the avatar then BP?

Yeah that's how it works, but that doesn't help resolve my issue of mobs that disappear =)

For the mobs to not depop, get the puller to rest and then stand up before you start and he will have an actual form of hate besides just aggro hate. This will allow the mobs to go back to him after the avatar is dead and makes it possible for multiple people to pull and just run through/around the puller until all the mobs are on the puller.

Alliances further divide the exp-per-kill gain. It's not worth it.

Besides, the more people that know about this, the harder it will be for you and your team to get the camp to yourselves.

13 is best level for the sync. Tank should build as much hate as possible on the gigas and then CFH it, everyone AFs on the gigas but the other mobs won't get hate on the summoner, just the summon, which is why everyone doesn't die. Doing it without a CFH monster you'll occasionally get hate on the Summoners themselves if they assault on something that's white, which is why CFH monster is so much better. And to stop depopping, pullers should stop every 15-30 seconds and the holder should rest to get hate on the pullers mobs.

Who knows. I posted that with like no sleep, I think I should have just stuck to "suck less" instead of trying to make something coherent.

personally i do these in the korollka tunnel with a 13-14 sync and the highest i've walked out with was 63k (no exp rings but the additon of one smn to sub cor for corsairs roll adds a huge chunk to what you get.)

they're not hard to set up the hardest thing is stopping some idiot come along and aoe everything you've pulled meaning you gotta start all over again.

when pulling i tend to massively reduce the despawns by either being in /walk or stopping everytime i move 3 or 4 steps/ either of these seems to help alot. i tend to to this solely for merits. sling slotting a job through 15-20 levels is fine but if your just gonna spend a ton of time in a skill up party you havent really saved yourself much time by the time you catch up on your skils.

so i tend to go solely for the merits. netting 26 merits in a mornings astral burn (yay for cor2hrs and besieged revitalisers) is great. with my current schedule of life / endgame it would take me usually 2 - 3 weeks to get that number of merits. and the last couple of weeks i've done it in a morning.

but theres alot of idiots. we gave up last saturday cos some idiot kept aoeing everything we pulled. and by time gms kicked him out the zone we were getting close to gather together time for events.

as for what to target we just target any damn the first mob that f8 selects and its never a problem. all you do is smn shiva from a good distance back run in hit f8 hit diamond dust and run out. as long as your far enough away from shiva when she gets pwnt by the hordes you have zero hate and they all turn back to the tank.

Edited, Jun 15th 2009 1:21pm by Dzian

I'll repeat here what I've said on KI:

GMs will operate on an individual basis because there is nothing wrong with this method of gaining experience points in the ToS, and, up to now, there has been no official global policy with which to enforce these actions.

Individuals have been banned for two reasons since this became popular.

1. Individuals who have gathered the mobs and are holding them have been banned if there are people in Korroloka tunnel that want to fight them and can't. This is no different than holding a NM or HNM without damaging it. Think KV kites where you are waiting 30 minutes for a linkshell to run out there. This is where those participating are at risk.

2. Individuals who run up and diaga the entire mob hoard while the SMNs are gathering the mobs have been banned as well. This is a griefing tactic, no different than any other MPK attempt. This is where those not participating are at risk.

Thusfar, the GMs have stuck to the rules as they apply elsewhere in Vana'diel. I have yet to hear of any first-hand proof of an exception to this.

As always, when you engage in unusual tactics that are considered a gray area of game mechanics, you are taking a risk. It's one more reason to not make a big stink about this sort of thing.

I'm not using the term "banned" to imply a LM-17 only, sorry if there is confusion. Most of the time, it's a short time jail for 24 or 36 hours, but it does go on the players' record as a first offense, and if they happen to have any other infractions on them, they are at risk for the banhammer.

SE usually has a 2-3 strikes policy depending on how bad the first infraction was against a player.