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#1 May 05 2009 at 11:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Has anyone tested to see what element the enfeebles our avatars have are? Like would slowga from Leviathan be considered water or earth. Sleepga from shiva be considered ice or dark? Something I wanted to try out seeing as I recently was able to sleep shades in the necropolis using shiva.
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#3 May 05 2009 at 5:30 PM Rating: Default
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Hard to say. I have tested this out and everything pointed at "same as BLM/RDM spells". However resists could of course just have been because avatars have **** enfeebling skill.

I just know hecteyes resist dark based sleep, and they resist shiva sleepga. (Can't remember if they resist nightmare too). Unless they are very ice resistant then I doubt shiva has a special kind of sleepga.
#4 May 05 2009 at 6:32 PM Rating: Good
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Geocrush is very definitely not the usual element for its Stun -- it works on mobs that are otherwise unstunnable.
#5 May 05 2009 at 9:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Mellowy wrote:
Hard to say. I have tested this out and everything pointed at "same as BLM/RDM spells". However resists could of course just have been because avatars have **** enfeebling skill.

I just know hecteyes resist dark based sleep, and they resist shiva sleepga. (Can't remember if they resist nightmare too). Unless they are very ice resistant then I doubt shiva has a special kind of sleepga.


Actually I think that Hecteyes are immune to the spell "Sleep", i.e., it has nothing to do with the element.

I'm pretty sure that the element displayed is the element of all of their enfeebles.
#6 May 06 2009 at 1:38 AM Rating: Good
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Try using them on elements.
Ex. Find an earth element, use slowga. Then find a water element and use slowga.
If slowga lands on earth but not water, its probably water based.
If slowga doesn't land on earth but does on water, then its probably still earth based.
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#7 May 06 2009 at 2:20 AM Rating: Decent
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MB'ing them would be the most efficient way to know their elements. I'm not sure if the people who write the MB'ing on wikki really did try, but it's stated it's the normal elements.

Out to test some stuff I guess, I'd be very interesting to know if shiva's sleepga is ice or dark.

Edit : testing on elementals isn't very viable, as I already slow'ed an earth elemental as blm or whm. They are "just" extremelly resistant, but not imune to their elementals enfeeblings.

Edited, May 6th 2009 10:23am by jainaproud
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#8 May 06 2009 at 2:56 AM Rating: Default
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Manaflow wrote:
Try using them on elements.
Ex. Find an earth element, use slowga. Then find a water element and use slowga.
If slowga lands on earth but not water, its probably water based.
If slowga doesn't land on earth but does on water, then its probably still earth based.


I've actually slept Tiamat with Shiva's Sleepga. Ice on Fire mob usually do not work that great. At least my 75 BP is resisted into 30ish damage. (and it should do 1111 unresisted)

But it may be just as someone said. Mobs in general being made to resist "sleep" or not, and it wouldn't matter if sleep was light based, it would still be considered the spell sleep and be resisted.
#9 May 06 2009 at 8:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Nightmare is in a league all its own. I have slept fomors with nightmare before, and have been able to sleep hecteyes, and skeletons. Nightmare may be darkbased sleep, but it is the only player controlled ability where you can dot a mob while it is asleep and it will remain asleep. In fact I do not believe that the sleep effect from nightmare is considered a sleep at all. More like a temporary stop spell. (God what I wouldn't give for rdms to have the spell stop.
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#10 May 07 2009 at 6:40 AM Rating: Default
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Would be pretty cool if Geocrush actually was petrify and not stun effect. Then again I am sure players hit by Geocrush already know it is stun and nothing else.
#11 May 07 2009 at 7:26 AM Rating: Good
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Mellowy wrote:
Would be pretty cool if Geocrush actually was petrify and not stun effect. Then again I am sure players hit by Geocrush already know it is stun and nothing else.

The "<t> is no longer stunned." message helps.
#12 May 07 2009 at 3:27 PM Rating: Good
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I went out quick to try this. Slowga landed on a Water Element but missed an earth element. Once school finishes in the next week I'm gona test this a bit more with elements or Primes as well as trying to MB certain wards.
Testing sleepga on mobs that might have "resist sleep" probably isn't a good idea. Something that would resist repose but not Sleep2 and vice versa. Can't think of any off hand besides elements or undead(strong to ice and dark so not a good test.)

This is kinda interesting.
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#13 May 07 2009 at 5:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Yasher wrote:
Mellowy wrote:
Would be pretty cool if Geocrush actually was petrify and not stun effect. Then again I am sure players hit by Geocrush already know it is stun and nothing else.

The "<t> is no longer stunned." message helps.


Never gotten it. Then again I've never gotten "<t> is no longer asleep" either. But I did get it today on COR. I guess I've just filtered "Avatar stuff wearing" somehow.

Another classic is that I see my pet damage, but not others, UNLESS I am outside the party, then I see it. Something like party/alliance filtered but not me/others I guess. The filter system is really a mystery to me.
#14 May 09 2009 at 8:51 AM Rating: Decent
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Enfeebles are associated directly with an element. Geocrush is a fine example, because it's an earth based attack which deals a lightning based stun. This means anything which fully resists lightning won't be stunned by the attack, but it will still deal full damage from it's Earth properties.

If you need further confirmation, try it in Ballista. Get a WHM using Cleric's Pants to throw up Barstonra and hit them with Slowga. Drop Barstonra and try again. You'll find the chance of it landing is greatly decreased with Barstonra up even though Leviathan is a water avatar.

Edit: Sleep needs to be mentioned because there are actually different forms of it. There is both a light based (Repose / Lullaby / Sheep Song) and dark based sleep. As far as im aware, however, it's the only known exception to the rule.

Edited, May 9th 2009 12:53pm by Crystan
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#15 May 09 2009 at 5:24 PM Rating: Good
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Geocrush is a fine example, because it's an earth based attack which deals a lightning based stun. This means anything which fully resists lightning won't be stunned by the attack, but it will still deal full damage from it's Earth properties.

Geocrush can Stun things that are otherwise immune to Stun, like a Behemoth. I'm pretty sure that means it is not doing a lightning Stun.
#16 May 14 2009 at 11:34 PM Rating: Good
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Well I went out and tried MBing Slowga and Sleepga but message never showed up. Dark/Ice/Light for sleepga, and both earth and water for slowga. Since they didn't MB and resisted on elements by their original element (slow - earth, Im going to further test this) Im leaning towards them counting as 0BP dmg with additonal effect slow and sleep earth/dark accordingly. Might explain why Geocrush can MB earth but has stun if it's treated as a seperate additional effect. Ill do tests on primes or elements later on to see if I can get conclusions.
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#17 May 15 2009 at 12:30 AM Rating: Decent
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I tried using level 4 geocrush on Ixion but it seems like resisted damage is resisted stun? Or is Ixion just flat out immune to the spell stun and not just to lightning?
#18 May 15 2009 at 1:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Ixion is just flat out immune to any status effect that will impair its movement. That includes sleep, bind, gravity, stun.
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#19 May 17 2009 at 2:43 AM Rating: Decent
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shadowkind wrote:
Ixion is just flat out immune to any status effect that will impair its movement. That includes sleep, bind, gravity, stun.


But not shadow bind. Odd then if it would be immune to spell bind but not JA bind, but immune to JA stun and spell stun? Then again BPs might be counted as magic anyway? Not sure what happens if you shield bash Ixion, probably doesn't work either.
#20 May 17 2009 at 8:11 AM Rating: Decent
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I've been wanting to know the nature of the enfeebles attached to bloodpacts for a long time. I wonder if the bind on mountain buster and rock buster count as JA bind or if its an additional magical (spell) bind effect after the attack lands (in that case avatar's magic acc comes into play). Some people have terrible rates on their binds, slows, stuns, and paralyzes from bloodpacts landing while others have a rather high rate. I just wish we could see when the effect landed and when it wore off so that we could do tests on sticking rates and possible potency increases.
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