Did we get ninja buffed?Follow

This is a quote from just after update. We established the new level 1 BPs did about 600-650 damage at 0% TP.

Yesterday during KB I used my level 1 BP and did 720 damage. Of course I was wearing 7 MAB from the new body, but again look at this past quote.



So the expected damage in my gear should have been 650*1.05 = 685ish.

So what happened here? I have a few silly ideas:

1) Base damage was yet again scaled up from 650 to like 700 (easy to test by not wearing MAB body I guess, just haven't gotten around to)
2) Suddenly "weak against element X" actually give damage bonus (probably easy to test too, but I doubt SE changed the fundamentals of elemental resists last maintenance)
3) MAB calculation was changed to strict +10 damage per MAB (this should be easy to test along with 1))


Just throwing this out to hear if anyone else experienced it.

As Enilanerda requested it not be copied here, I won't. But as Acturus pointed out, his numbers on KI are quite different from those you posted here. You should go check it out.



Actually MAB+7 from a base MAB of 32 is a 5.3% increase. It would require a base of 40 MAB for a 5% increase. They're close enough to where a casual observer might write it off as 5%, though. Still, in all cases, MAB+7 is a 7% increase to the base.

Edited, Apr 30th 2009 1:02pm by Ildon

Interesting to see that Avatars have MAB+32. It makes sense if you consider that all mobs in the game have a job. MAB+32 would seem to indicate that SMN avatars are BLMs in regards to traits and stat growth (and they have MP, since I've seen my Avatars get aspired).

When did this happen and why, after nearly 5 years of playing SMN, is this the first that I've heard of it?

Also, some documentation/testing/proof would be nice.

Bout the only thing your sure of is that you dont know. This is obvious to most of us long time posters in the smn forums. Long ago some of the wiser smn posters here did plenty of checking on what affected damage on mobs.
The formula that calculates damage has randomize in it as do certain mobs for being buffed.
Then consider your Smn skill, Int, Gear, Elemant of the day, Maybe even time of the day. Then your merits themselves. I'm certain there is quite a few more variables mixed into the equasion. This is why using the same BP on the same mob gives us different damage each time.

Day? Are you certain? I didn't know thunders day gave natural bonus to BLMs or lights day boosted cures. Thought it was only weather.

And speaking of resists. Is it 1/2 damage THEN removed INT and MDB, or INT and MDB calculations first, then 1/2 of that?

Resist adjustments are calculated after everything else.

If you'd do 800 damage naked and you equip enough stuff to do 900 damage instead, a 1/2 resist will make you do 450.

Most likely Stoneskin with the Earth Elemental.

On Iriz Ima, it's very likely it did absorb Shell. And yes, Shell IV does reduce magic damage by 20%ish (21.9%), while Shell V is 24.2%.

It's on this forum somewhere. Kaeko stopped by to ask some questions about something, took up all of our notes on the Tier II pacts (before Enil got muted), and it was his conclusion that Celestial avatars have MAB+32.

To be quite honest, I've never seen the thread myself, but I have yet to see Kaeko make a statement like that and be completely wrong.

That is the absolute strangest thing. Makes sense, I suppose, given that +MAB for avatars has reported diminishing returns on celestials (no merits/gear yet for me, so going on others' data). It just amazes me how things randomly pop up years into the game that were somehow overlooked. Hard to take some of them at face value, though. Thanks.

This is an assumption, not a fact. (We do not know the algorithms SE uses, therefor all we can do is attempt to reverse engineer the equation given the inputs and outputs, which is not an easy task by any means)

Its Highly unlikely that my BP's land for such consistent numbers and still have this statement be true. I do see variations in my damage, however even the variations have consistency, steering me towards the theory that the resists for our pacts differ from that of a BLM. The assumption that the calculations for BLM Nukes and Avatar nukes are done by the same equation is a guess at best.

The problem for the lack of data here to push any theory into a hypothesis is that everyone here has different play styles and we all fight different monsters.

For a random value to occur in the damage algorithm, the damage 'should' be all over the board and play host to laws of probability. There's no question in my mind that there is a random value in the algorithm that rolls to see what your resist will be if any, but this calculation would be totally separate of any damage calculation.



This statement doesn't hold water in my observations. If you want to recreate my observations take your summoner out to the BLM Pudding Camp and team up with a BLM or another SMN so your not kiting alone (in an area where JA's will get you killed) and use a Merit BP over and over and over. If the Day/Weather/BP doesn't change, You will see what I see... Consistency

Don't kill the messenger. =) Just passing along the info and preventing old myths from spreading.

Edited, May 6th 2009 1:52am by Gerkin