Hello, after a few years of not playing, i wanted to get back into this game.
Out of Whm lvl 54, Brd lvl 30, or Smn lvl 27, which would be best to get to level 70-75 first?
Which would be most beneficial and why exactly would it be?
Being able to level quick is always good too but not necessary.
For gear, I'm mostly geared on my WHM.
Note* I do want to level all of these eventually including a tank and dps job.
BTW, sorry for the duplicate posts on the other jobs, but please understand that not everyone reads all the forums
Edited, Apr 28th 2009 12:46pm by yjsays
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Whm, Brd, or Smn? First to 70-75?Follow
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As I'm sure a lot of peeps will mention its all situational.
You can level BRD, and WHM pretty fast. Finding parties would be a breeze for the most part. SMN seems to be pretty hot right now there are a ton of people leveling it so that in itself will slow you down. Getting involved with endgame will also be easier with BRD and WHM. SMN is really only useful on a few endgame activities. SMN however is really fun solo or in a party!
I have COR/BRD/RDM/BLM/BST/NIN/WHM all 75, and SMN is next at 53'ish. Really like what SMN can do. Its very busy like BRD, and we can add some amazing dmg with our buff's and cures.
Usually after I get a 75 complete there is no plan for what to do next. I'll merit for a while, and eventually I'll get the bug for a certain job then level it. Also reading through the forums on w/e jobs I'm looking into usually gives me an idea of what I want to do.
Good luck
Mike
You can level BRD, and WHM pretty fast. Finding parties would be a breeze for the most part. SMN seems to be pretty hot right now there are a ton of people leveling it so that in itself will slow you down. Getting involved with endgame will also be easier with BRD and WHM. SMN is really only useful on a few endgame activities. SMN however is really fun solo or in a party!
I have COR/BRD/RDM/BLM/BST/NIN/WHM all 75, and SMN is next at 53'ish. Really like what SMN can do. Its very busy like BRD, and we can add some amazing dmg with our buff's and cures.
Usually after I get a 75 complete there is no plan for what to do next. I'll merit for a while, and eventually I'll get the bug for a certain job then level it. Also reading through the forums on w/e jobs I'm looking into usually gives me an idea of what I want to do.
Good luck
Mike
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Biazzaz (retired)BST/BRD/COR/RDM = 75
Bizzaz (active) War/Nin/Thf/Sam/Whm/Blm/Mnk/Drg = 90 Rdm/Smn = 88 Pld ...75
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Biazzaz (retired)BST/BRD/COR/RDM = 75
Bizzaz (active) War/Nin/Thf/Sam/Whm/Blm/Mnk/Drg = 90 Rdm/Smn = 88 Pld ...75
Summoner is probably the hardest job in the game to take to 75 first. Fenrir and Diabolos are high level only fights, and good luck getting carby mitts without a high level party. Also on diabolos, you wont find many people wanting smn for the fight. I got diabolos on my whm myself. Standard burn method with benediction to be used after ruinous omen.
Summoner is the cheapest and hardest job to level to 75, white mage is the most expensive job, and brd is the easiest and decently expensive to level to 75. With your current levels, you could get all 3 to 75 within 5 months. 2 for whm and brd. All depends on your drive, and how good you are at making money.
Summoner is the cheapest and hardest job to level to 75, white mage is the most expensive job, and brd is the easiest and decently expensive to level to 75. With your current levels, you could get all 3 to 75 within 5 months. 2 for whm and brd. All depends on your drive, and how good you are at making money.
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From my experience. Whm is the easiest to get to 75. Brd is also pretty fast to level. Everyone needs cures and mp.
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BRD will be the fastest to level and the most requested, Period. Situationally the most beneficial.
WHM, since you already have gear for it, will still be fairly high on the request list for Endgame and XP. At around 73 your XP invites will slow down a bit, but never really stop. It's also your highest already so it would be a good place to start.
SMN... what can I say... I really love it. I think it's extreamly usefull endgame.
XP? Not requested or sought after, at all. People will take you but only if they cant get RDM/WHM/SCH first. Around lv70 XP invites will really slow down, almost to a halt, then it's a good time to make Astral Burn parties, or Campaign to finish off your run to 75.
If you have BRD at 75, and any other job, people will ask you to be BRD.
WHM, since you already have gear for it, will still be fairly high on the request list for Endgame and XP. At around 73 your XP invites will slow down a bit, but never really stop. It's also your highest already so it would be a good place to start.
SMN... what can I say... I really love it. I think it's extreamly usefull endgame.
XP? Not requested or sought after, at all. People will take you but only if they cant get RDM/WHM/SCH first. Around lv70 XP invites will really slow down, almost to a halt, then it's a good time to make Astral Burn parties, or Campaign to finish off your run to 75.
If you have BRD at 75, and any other job, people will ask you to be BRD.
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My advice is to find a job that you enjoy playing, and stick with it. Really, I love Summoner, and it's my first 75 job. And I have no regrets about that being my first 75 job.
Keylin wrote:
My advice is to find a job that you enjoy playing, and stick with it. Really, I love Summoner, and it's my first 75 job. And I have no regrets about that being my first 75 job.
I took WHM to 63 before finally giving in and taking SMN all the way to 75. I got my celestial avatars from the Trial-Size fights, fought Fenrir for the first time at 70, and Diabolos at 75 -- all as SMN. I've never regretted a moment of it.
My WHM is still 63 to this day.
Don't let anyone tell you that you should level one job over another. Listening to advice is fine, but in the end, pick what you want and level it. And if you decide before 75 that you'd rather level something else -- do it!
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Edited, Apr 29th 2009 10:18pm by Nupinu
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Thydonon wrote:
SMN is just epic in it's scope. You gain fame in all cities to have their avatars. When others finish ToAU, they get toys; you get gods.
In my eyes level 25 SMN is the deciding point. The game won't change after that. You have thunderspark to show roughly where your damage will lie in a party, and you got aerial armor to display how mediocre your buffs will be. You also have free carby with mitts.
More or less it will give you an exact description of how every other level will be.
Since you are past 25 I would assume you already have a good idea of how SMN will be. You just need to decide if that is what you like.
More or less it will give you an exact description of how every other level will be.
Since you are past 25 I would assume you already have a good idea of how SMN will be. You just need to decide if that is what you like.
Mellowy wrote:
In my eyes level 25 SMN is the deciding point. The game won't change after that. You have thunderspark to show roughly where your damage will lie in a party, and you got aerial armor to display how mediocre your buffs will be. You also have free carby with mitts.
More or less it will give you an exact description of how every other level will be.
More or less it will give you an exact description of how every other level will be.
Yes, 25 is a big turning point for SMN (Auto-refresh, woo!)... but so is 46, when Earthen Ward helps alleviate some of the healing in a party. Elemental Siphon at 50 changes the way MP is managed. At 56, when Evoker's Pigaches become available, is when soloing starts to shine. And at 70, the game-altering physical Blood Pacts are attained.
I don't think that 25 is the be-all, end-all deciding point for whether or not to level a job. I'd suggest that 60 would give a more reasonable feel for most jobs -- by this time, you should have your full AF (be it good or bad) and most of your job's main abilities, and a better idea of what the job is capable of.
That said, if you've decided that you absolutely *hate* a job by level 25, then by all means bail on it. But if you're on the fence, stick it out till 60 and re-evaluate.
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Thydonon wrote:
SMN is just epic in it's scope. You gain fame in all cities to have their avatars. When others finish ToAU, they get toys; you get gods.
If you want to know what smn can really do then you have to throw out any advice given that leads you down the road to /whm main healing in standard parties. Infact with the release of all these other advanced jobs smn has become almost impossible to gain a spot as main healer anyway.
Since Ive been back playing again I have recieved one invite to a party which I declined because I do not main heal, I did it for nearly every lvl since the time I began getting into parties and will not do it anymore.
You now have at your disposal "level sync" which will allow you to try various party setups at different lvls. You will have to get friends to try stuff out with you because most others will say your crazy and you should main heal or solo.
I encourage you to use your avatars in a way that I rarely see anyone write about in forums. Try setting up a party that consists of 2x melee 2x smn 1xblm and either rdm, whm, brd, sch or whatever for some healing. Look us some skillchains which I dont see anyone doing anymore and that is just sad.
Let the two melee build up TP and then pair up each smn with one of the melees and become a skillchain pt. Two skillchains two magic bursts and your rdy for another mob.
I still play smn and Ive written elswehre that I play it almost exclusively.
At some point when it was aparant to me that I was not having fun on smn I tried to focus on the end result to get me through and it was hard to suffer all those lvls of main healing.
Whatever job you choose it is important that you have fun playing it, gaming is about fun, its not your second job. If you cant find a way to have fun on smn then I suggest you do another job. Maybe someday everyone that ignores or abuses this job class will see the light.
Edited, Apr 30th 2009 9:49am by aldistuck
Since Ive been back playing again I have recieved one invite to a party which I declined because I do not main heal, I did it for nearly every lvl since the time I began getting into parties and will not do it anymore.
You now have at your disposal "level sync" which will allow you to try various party setups at different lvls. You will have to get friends to try stuff out with you because most others will say your crazy and you should main heal or solo.
I encourage you to use your avatars in a way that I rarely see anyone write about in forums. Try setting up a party that consists of 2x melee 2x smn 1xblm and either rdm, whm, brd, sch or whatever for some healing. Look us some skillchains which I dont see anyone doing anymore and that is just sad.
Let the two melee build up TP and then pair up each smn with one of the melees and become a skillchain pt. Two skillchains two magic bursts and your rdy for another mob.
I still play smn and Ive written elswehre that I play it almost exclusively.
At some point when it was aparant to me that I was not having fun on smn I tried to focus on the end result to get me through and it was hard to suffer all those lvls of main healing.
Whatever job you choose it is important that you have fun playing it, gaming is about fun, its not your second job. If you cant find a way to have fun on smn then I suggest you do another job. Maybe someday everyone that ignores or abuses this job class will see the light.
Edited, Apr 30th 2009 9:49am by aldistuck
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To the O.P on this, I'd suggest you level bard.
BRD gear is cheap, people want bards in everything. You can sit there and merit your SMN with what you can I'd guess MP and whatever else you find useful. Use your bard for endgame events to get SMN gear, half the time you'll find unless it's JSE, SMN and BRD share the same gear. Use it to get gil on event runs, or bc runs and put that gil towards smn.
My advice is to take BRD up, fast and then take your earnings, put it into SMN and play SMN on your own pace, relax..and just have fun with it. At least this way you'll have a job at 75 for events, you'll have gear waiting for your smn you can just slow down and enjoy it.
BRD gear is cheap, people want bards in everything. You can sit there and merit your SMN with what you can I'd guess MP and whatever else you find useful. Use your bard for endgame events to get SMN gear, half the time you'll find unless it's JSE, SMN and BRD share the same gear. Use it to get gil on event runs, or bc runs and put that gil towards smn.
My advice is to take BRD up, fast and then take your earnings, put it into SMN and play SMN on your own pace, relax..and just have fun with it. At least this way you'll have a job at 75 for events, you'll have gear waiting for your smn you can just slow down and enjoy it.
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Keylin wrote:
My advice is to find a job that you enjoy playing, and stick with it. Really, I love Summoner, and it's my first 75 job. And I have no regrets about that being my first 75 job.
But, you're not going to be as effective a SMN. This isn't a gear thing, every job is usually better when a 75 is farming gear for it. This is a fundamentals thing, an avatar thing. At the very least, Fenrir is a game-changing avatar to have 10 and on.
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Whm lvl 54, Brd lvl 30, or Smn lvl 27
BRD is probably the fastest job to level, but WHM is up there, and since yours has a 24 level head start I'd suggest going WHM. Unless you like BRD better.
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I encourage you to use your avatars in a way that I rarely see anyone write about in forums. Try setting up a party that consists of 2x melee 2x smn 1xblm and either rdm, whm, brd, sch or whatever for some healing. Look us some skillchains which I dont see anyone doing anymore and that is just sad.
Let the two melee build up TP and then pair up each smn with one of the melees and become a skillchain pt. Two skillchains two magic bursts and your rdy for another mob.
Let the two melee build up TP and then pair up each smn with one of the melees and become a skillchain pt. Two skillchains two magic bursts and your rdy for another mob.
Good that you are having fun. I can't image a party slower than that though. Maybe a 3xWHM party.
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Good that you are having fun. I can't image a party slower than that though. Maybe a 3xWHM party.
I dont want to sound like I'm attacking you but you have absolutely no idea what your talking about until you have tried it.
If you havent tried something you shouldnt comment on it and attempt to make it sound bad by saying its slow. It's not slow, its just as fast as any normal 3 melee 3 mage pt.
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Sylph: San d'Oria: Rank9: Hume: SMN:Lv.75.
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[SummoningMagic Lv.8][DIABOLOS]
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normal 3 melee 3 mage pt.
Who does this anymore?
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I dont want to sound like I'm attacking you but you have absolutely no idea what your talking about until you have tried it.
I've actually compared the jobs in the jungle.
SMN thunderspark ~ 120 damage
SCH nukes 90+60 every 30 seconds, then as a finisher a drain for like 40 or so.
Damage per minute:
120 vs 340
Sure the difference is LESS if you let your pet melee, but as always SMNs feel silly if they let them melee and just BP+release.
Btw, I was subbing WHM, so could have had 18 MAB more from BLM sub.
I of course do not know if SMN is extremely more efficient in the dunes with tier 2 nukes vs SCHs who do not have much more than perhaps aero.
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I dont want to sound like I'm attacking you but you have absolutely no idea what your talking about until you have tried it.
I've actually compared the jobs in the jungle.
SMN thunderspark ~ 120 damage
SCH nukes 90+60 every 30 seconds, then as a finisher a drain for like 40 or so.
Damage per minute:
120 vs 340
Maybe you shouldn't have been using Thunderspark, genius.
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No wonder you spend all day complaining about SMN, when you've had no idea how to employ it.
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Mellowy wrote:
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I dont want to sound like I'm attacking you but you have absolutely no idea what your talking about until you have tried it.
I've actually compared the jobs in the jungle.
SMN thunderspark ~ 120 damage
SCH nukes 90+60 every 30 seconds, then as a finisher a drain for like 40 or so.
Damage per minute:
120 vs 340
Maybe you shouldn't have been using Thunderspark, genius.
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=15;mid=1113928473198804863
No wonder you spend all day complaining about SMN, when you've had no idea how to employ it.
I'm sure you'll be sad to hear that I wasn't the SMN using Thunderspark. He was just a random pick up SMN while I was leveling SCH sub. Hence the comparison to SCH nukes.
He could probably have benefit from someone like you pointing out that he should use Ifrit instead. But someone like me who have never experienced working BPs at low levels shouldn't really give advice at all, which I didn't.
Thanks for the quick re-lesson on low levels though. I'll remember it for the next time I run into a pick up SMN who doesn't use the latest BP. Assuming I have a party that is interested in SCing of course. (In the SMN sample I was main healing on SCH so the nukes is picked from a later party. In other words no real nuker around for MBs, unless I want to take a 10% slow and extra MP cost on MBing on SCH light arts)
Edited, May 4th 2009 1:32am by Mellowy
That 500 damage reported was definetly an exception to the general rule though. The problem with avatar attacks, especially melee is that avatars have widely varying results. For every 500 critical expect a dozen or more 80 damage hits with the same attack.
Scholar has the upper hand in that their damage is not only more consistent, it's consistently good.
Scholar has the upper hand in that their damage is not only more consistent, it's consistently good.
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Go with WHM first since you already have gear, and so you can have Fenrir earlier in your SMN leveling.
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