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#77 Sep 24 2008 at 4:20 PM Rating: Default
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So much for being discrete. I went on killingifrit.com today and someone posted this thread on their page. I was talking to my linkshell today about the usual BS and one of them bring up this thread so now our linkshell knows. I asked him where he found this information out and he said he got it off the Xbox forums. My guess is that this thread is already anywhere and everywhere.

P.S: Like most of you, I doubt Astral Flow will get nerfed because of this. Just wanted to add that in there.
#78 Sep 24 2008 at 9:10 PM Rating: Good
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I guess I am the only one concerned about all the new Smn75s with full merit but Summoning skill of 21. That's gotta be painful to skill up after all the fun.
#79 Sep 28 2008 at 9:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok, so after doing this quite a bit, it occurs to me, the most we are getting is chain 16. This equates to like 5k exp. Does anyone know how to avoid this? We're killing well over 30-40 mobs, but appear to only get credit for 17 of them.
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#80 Sep 28 2008 at 11:44 AM Rating: Decent
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You get the exp from all of them, but the screen only registeres about half.

Take note of your Exp before yous tart and after. What'd you get?
Then add up what the screen says you got. What'd you get?

In my experience I always get more than what the screen registers.
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#81 Sep 28 2008 at 2:29 PM Rating: Good
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I guess I am the only one concerned about all the new Smn75s with full merit but Summoning skill of 21. That's gotta be painful to skill up after all the fun.

not really, it just makes those of us with capped skill look all the better.
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#82 Sep 28 2008 at 8:07 PM Rating: Decent
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The screen was only registering about 2500 exp, I was getting about 5000 exp, but that is nowhere near what I should have gotten for what my screen registered as 'Ramuh defeats ....' x41
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#83 Sep 28 2008 at 8:41 PM Rating: Decent
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I suspect you're being subjected to the same limitation as happens in ENMs - the most EXP you can get in one "block" (and it's all being given to you in one block because it's a bunch of simultaneous kills) is enough to put you to 1 TNL on your next level.

I'm probably wrong, but it's something to think about just the same.
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#84 Sep 29 2008 at 5:51 AM Rating: Decent
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I thought that I was having some sort of capped exp situation as well, but as the title suggests, others have been getting far more exp than myself.

We have gotten up to 8k now, taking our sync from lvl 10 to 13, so I'm not sure if it's the TNL issue, but I'm wondering if there isn't some other limitation at work.
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#85 Oct 03 2008 at 10:44 AM Rating: Good
likely a matter of not having enough mobs. One time we had our puller gather some mobs together and he said 'yea, this looks like 60 mobs, easily" but when he came back to camp I counted them all and it was only around 19.

I'm pretty sure it's a case of thinking you have more mobs than you actually do.
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#86 Oct 03 2008 at 11:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Luckily, with carby, I can hold the mobs for about 3-4 minutes without worry, so I counted them, and had:
27 bats
14 goblins
14 leeches
12 crawlers


I think I figured out what was limiting us a *bit*. When we sync to level 10, some of those mobs are way to high to die to an AF. If the mobs are too high, they get hate on the avatars, then disappear when the avatars go away. Our recent run was about 8.5-9k with chain 32 after I took this into account. Now, to plan pull routes for the *right* level mobs.
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#87 Oct 06 2008 at 7:44 AM Rating: Default
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I just was looking through this thread when I noticed that someone mentioned that Se did an update to limit the amount of EXP that you can gain from level range to level range. Is this true?? Because it is so messed up if it is.

A Good way to findout if it is true is if any of you have a level 45ish SMN and don't mind solo'n bombs in ifrits cauldren. I used to go down there pre free carby levels and kill bombs for chain 1 and 2 (very had to do before free carby, mustly just luck the bombs blew up so fast). The first kill was around 250ish exp chain 1 was around 350ish and chain 2 was 400-500 exp.

Either way Karou that was a pretty cool trick you shared.
#88 Oct 08 2008 at 2:40 AM Rating: Good
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I just was looking through this thread when I noticed that someone mentioned that Se did an update to limit the amount of EXP that you can gain from level range to level range. Is this true?? Because it is so messed up if it is.

A Good way to findout if it is true is if any of you have a level 45ish SMN and don't mind solo'n bombs in ifrits cauldren. I used to go down there pre free carby levels and kill bombs for chain 1 and 2 (very had to do before free carby, mustly just luck the bombs blew up so fast). The first kill was around 250ish exp chain 1 was around 350ish and chain 2 was 400-500 exp.


There is a limit to the base xp. As you say, you would get around 250 xp for the first kill which is the max base xp you can get from level 51-60. The bombs in ifrit are around level 62-68, so if there was no limit to the base xp you would get something like 530 base xp if the bomb is 10 levels higher than you. After the base xp there is the multipliers for chains, number of PT members etc. A good source for calculation of xp is this.

Edit: link broken.

Go to somepage -> FFXI Links -> Other -> Experiance gain per kill.

Edited, Oct 8th 2008 2:40pm by IcemanDK
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#89 Oct 08 2008 at 11:30 AM Rating: Default
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Thanks Ice, wow that is a really stupid idea IMO by SE.

Yeah it varied by level to level but for the most part 51 and up it was around 250 base, then 400+ for chain 1 and up. Not easy to get past chain 1 on bombs though.

Either way getting a base exp of 300 or more as a solo'n smn or bst was pretty good exp when you had free time to kill.

I don't get why they would limit base exp by levels in order to make it even harder to level jobs such as these two (SMN and BST) which are pretty hard to level compared to say WHM.
#90 Oct 09 2008 at 6:39 AM Rating: Decent
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So, we've accomplished this a bit more, so I thought I would write an article on how we are doing it. Our situation is a little unique, not everyone will be able to do this, but this is how it's working for us. Last night we got 21k in less than an hour, which is pretty good EXP for any SMN.

Areas to Burn - Level Range:
Maze of Shakrami - 10-16
Valkurm Dunes - 15-20

Party Makeup:
External Support
1 36+ WHM/BLM for teleports
1 75 SMN/BLM w/ lvl 1 cor - for trains

Burn Party
3 10+SMN/ANY - For burning
2 ANY/ANY - For leeching
1 level sync target (see above)

* Note: One of the jobs should have a corsair that is level 5+ that is either main or subjob for Corsair Roll

In our case, the 2 leeches are the same 2 characters over and over again, bring warp items, and have level 1 Corsair.

Level 10 Sync:
Starting with the lower level sync, the 75 SMN should pull carby out and go to the far end of the big room near the zone line of Tahrongi Canyon. To prevent mobs that don't give the burn party exp, I will elaborate on this. The SMN should 'Attack' a mob, then 'Retreat'. Take it to a nearby mob that will *link* to the original mob. Now re-'Attack' the original mob, and let carby kill it, should be only 2 hits or less. This will keep the link agro, but not cost the burn party exp. Grabbing a majority of the mobs in the big room, and the little room heading back to zone line, should net you a good amount of EXP. Taking your sync from 10 to 12-13

Types of Mobs
Bats
Goblins
Crawlers - Do not go down the ramp to the scorpion room yet, this is later levels.

Level 13 Sync:
You are still in the Maze at this point, but you have a much longer pull ahead of you this round. From the big room of the last start point, go north. Stay on the east side of the map and follow the tunnel down to the room at the bottom with the crawlers and the scorpions. The SMN should 'Attack' a mob, then 'Retreat'. Take it to a nearby mob that will *link* to the original mob. Now re-'Attack' the original mob, and let carby kill it, should be only 2 hits or less. This will keep the link agro, but not cost the burn party exp. Grabbing a majority of the mobs in the big room, and the little room heading back to zone line, should net you a good amount of EXP. Taking your sync from 12-13 to 15-16. At this point, you've pretty much capped the Maze party, and it's time to move on, or find a different sync target.

Types of Mobs
Leeches
Crawlers
Bats
Goblins

Use of Support Party
I know most are asking why the WHM/BLM is needed at this point. In our specific party, the 3 non-burning members of the party all have corsair unlocked, but not leveled. Usually with a scroll of warp or another item. The SMN/BLM Also has a cor, but should be used last, since he should be starting the next pull while the job change/warp/teleport takes place.

The lower level person will warp to their nation of choice (We used whitegate), change to Corsair, and get the WHM/BLM to take them back to mea.

In our case, the 3xSMN would meet the corsair at mea, and try to reset the 2hr. Regardless of If it worked, the corsair would then die, and change back to their original job, and get the WHM/BLM to tele them back out. If it didn't work, the next lower level job should try. The catch, is the 2nd character should wait for the 1st character to be on their original job at mea, with the burned SMN's. Since Corsair 2hr won't reset another Corsair's 2hr, the first character will need to be on a job *other* than corsair for the 2hr reset to work on them as well. This will allow more over-all chances to reset the 2hr.

MISC info

The average pull took about 15-20 minutes from start to finish. My 75 SMN was able to keep carby alive for 23 minutes after all the mobs were pulled with proper gear and using healing ruby II when he got below 50% HP. This should allow plenty of time for the corsairs to reset the 2hr of the SMNs, and time to run back to the zone line for the next pull. All mobs in big + Small room will give EXP at 15-16, so it is wise to pull them all.

This method is not recommended for people with slow computers, the puller (and smns) will get R2500-2900 on the bigger pulls.

We were able to get as high as chain 41, but it still took us 2-3 pulls in Maze to get the 21k. One of my characters had an anniversary band + Emporer band, both of which were used by 1 pull each, totaling 26k for them.

Tips for the summoner party: * Thanks Shourin

- Wait for the trainer to settle the mobs. Let mobs collect to a dense group.
- Risk vs. reward. Targeting the toughest mob in the group will make it more likely that your astral flow will go off. Also increases the likelihood that the mob will live and beat you after.
- Don't release your avatars in presence of the train. The mobs will aggro you and kill you before you begin.


More Notes:

Mobs that link by sight seem to despawn *much* easier than those by sound. And those that track by smell (ie. orcs) will despawn if you run through water, which makes Ghelsba a bad choice to do this. To keep the mobs from despawning, making round-about circles every now and then seems to help tremendously.

Edited, Oct 9th 2008 9:44am by Toioiz

Edited, Oct 9th 2008 3:03pm by Toioiz
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#91 Oct 23 2008 at 8:09 PM Rating: Good
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Did you have a smn pulling? If so how did you not die when you level synced or were you outside the party? Ive been having a rdm pull for us outside the party. But it would be nice to have her get exp too.
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#92 Oct 23 2008 at 10:45 PM Rating: Decent
And to think i got smn up the old fashioned way. which was fun.

Guess i'm old school.
#93Suichi, Posted: Dec 30 2008 at 2:05 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Cool exploiting guys.
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Cool exploiting guys.


I'm reporting this to SE so they fix it.


lolwut?
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#95 Dec 30 2008 at 11:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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Don't mind Suichi, he is just a cute little Tarutaru that used to play in the Valefor server but then dissapeared, never to return. We miss you Sui =(

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For those of you whinners, in case you haven't noticed, this "exploit" is allowing summoners to use their avatars as their main tools (for once) to get EXP.

The solution to this "issue" is easy; SE needs to give SMNs better tools so they are invited more to EXP parties. At the same time, to avoid this situation to arise again (and to avoid the stupidity that was the /brd nerf, simply because it affected BRDs, CORs and SMNs), SE only needs to tweak the party mechanics a little bit. Just make it so that a party cannot obtain EXP from more than, say, 10 monsters per minute.

Problem solved & crisis adverted!

(And this fix doesn't even affect the BRDBRDMeleex4orgy limit parties! Now rejoice, no one else will get as good exp as you guys ever again! We are sorry for making you feel that your e-peen was small for a sec, but that will be soon fixed! YAY!)

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Idea!

I want to see this being done in Moblin Maze Mongers.
Using the 107 (?) Rune, you would have IT++ monsters in the area.

I dunno, with enough luck, one could be able to do this in the mazes safetly.

At the same time, you would avoid people who, at the mere sight of it, would cry and adopt an attitude similar to: "waaaaah, they are killing monsters (that I don't want to kill) vewy fast and gaining exp without being my cure bots! it makes me so anwy and angsty! To make things worst, I lost my Jonas Brothers CD and I can't find it =(!!!!! "
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#97Suichi, Posted: Dec 30 2008 at 10:38 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Sub-default me all you want, I'm still reporting this to SE.
#98Suichi, Posted: Dec 30 2008 at 10:50 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Just talked to a GM and he's said that's it's been reported several times and they're investigating it. Enjoy it while you can, hahahaha.
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Just talked to a GM and he's said that's it's been reported several times and they're investigating it. Enjoy it while you can, hahahaha.


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Just talked to a GM and he's said that's it's been reported several times and they're investigating it. Enjoy it while you can, hahahaha.


Isn't that what they say to just about everything?


yup.
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#101 Dec 31 2008 at 9:40 AM Rating: Decent
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The only Issue I find with this exploit is RMT getting their grimy hands on it and leveling up all their new accounts. They probably already are D;
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