SMN EXP exploit I love you SE 20-40k EXPFollow

Small portion of log....no XP ring or other XP bonuses other than chain:

[12:06:56]Garuda defeats the Huge Spider. 
 
[12:06:56]Limit chain #132! 
 
[12:06:56]Wolftamer gains 327 limit points. 
 
[12:06:56]yYou find an earth crystal
 on the Huge Spider. 
 
[12:06:56]Garuda defeats the Huge Spider. 
 
[12:06:56]Limit chain #133! 
 
[12:06:56]Wolftamer gains 327 limit points. 
 
[12:06:56]Wolftamer earns a merit point! (Total: 8) 
 
[12:06:56]yYou find an earth crystal
 on the Huge Spider. 
 
[12:06:56]Garuda defeats the Thread Leech. 
 
[12:06:56]yOneway attains level 42! 
 
[12:06:56]Limit chain #134! 
 
[12:06:56]Wolftamer gains 327 limit points. 
 
[12:06:56]yYou find a water crystal
 on the Thread Leech. 
 
[12:06:57]Limit chain #126! 
 
[12:06:57]Wolftamer gains 258 limit points. 
 
[12:06:57]yYou find a wind crystal
 on the Combat. 
 
[12:06:57]yYou find a wind crystal
 on the Combat. 
 
[12:06:57]Kneesa obtains a wind crystal
. 
 
[12:06:57]Albraraut obtains a wind crystal
. 
 
[12:06:58]Limit chain #131! 
 
[12:06:58]Wolftamer gains 330 limit points. 
 
[12:06:58]yKneesa attains level 22! 
 
[12:06:58]yYou find a water crystal
 on the Thread Leech. 
 
[12:06:58]yYou find a water crystal
 on the Thread Leech. 
 
[12:06:58]Limit chain #135! 
 
[12:06:58]Wolftamer gains 327 limit points. 
 
[12:06:58]Limit chain #136! 
 
[12:06:58]Wolftamer gains 79 limit points.

My chat logs look like that, and yes, we use Corsair's Roll.

Me and some friends on Garuda are trying to plan this. We're still short on SMN's so message me if you would like to put something together. Great job on this forum.

as that lvl 12 syncee levels up, the xp per mob goes down

as design, the spiders and leeches are meant to be the last mobs to die, while the bats and the gigas pet is the first to go.

If they wanted to stop summoner burning, the easiest way isn't to gimp SMNs, but just make it so

1) White mobs when killed don't produce XP

or

2) If a mob links to a mob held by a 75, the mobis then afflicted with the same "I've been touched by a 75 player" status.


Either one would kill summoner burning, and honestly have no negative effects on the game at all.

Yeah...but I keep hoping one of these days SE will hire someone with a brain.

Some LS mates hit 170 a couple of weeks ago.

I got in a burn that only went up to chain 91 but only 2 pullers it was mostly bats with a few leeches and spiders

The next one got a chain 125 on that included pugils (which the puller had to rest next to each and every one to get them to aggro). That one guy claimed he has seen chain 150 here.

Edited, May 5th 2009 2:04pm by etnapwnzs

People like you Just suck Quit trying to ruin what few things SMN have. Seeming you have nothing better to do with your life then this YOU SIR JUST FAIL.

I personally know two person that are doing this -- but I would not disclose their name -- one person you may not know, but the other person well.... she is part of a Cerberus SMN LS. I have heard how is it looks like there on LS chat and Vent. You are only quoted because I read today what you said about this on KI. And I never actually talked about botting at all here. Do you really think botting (obviously AF burn is not botting) or exploit (taking advantage of a bug - and I stated specifically AF, imo, working as intended, but just in a way that is somewhat surprising) are what the true issue here?

May be I should compare Rune Chopper with AF burn if you prefer it that way? You seriously think NMs should die super fast by throwing a lot of Rune Choppers on it -- I do not know if you have done it yourself, but I am sure some people in your LS probably did? Or it is right, because you can get the loot from the NM and screw how long it takes to beat the NM?

If pure exp is all I am interested, I would have done /BRD or Astral Burn myself. As for Astral Burn, I have never done it as you have said yourself. Neither I ever did /BRD as well but I cannot present proof for myself;) so you just have to take my word.

Edited, May 11th 2009 5:48pm by scchan

Hey Acturus how do you make a brute like serious 1 XD? My Acturus sucks one lost :/ *disowns*

Here is a tip that I've heard from one of my friends in game that levels off SMN burns that I'm not sure everyone knows about:

When the puller(s) gathers mobs, he'll call for help on the first mob he attacks, preferably a big noticeable mob. When the train is brought in to the party to get AF'd, the SMNs use the CFH'd mob as their target. If any mobs survive, they will attack and kill the avatars, but they will not proceed to attack the SMNs since none of them were directly targeted by AF. (The CFH'd mob will usually not survive since he'll be hit by every AF, and even if he is, the puller(s) can assist with finishing it off since it's CFH'd.) The SMNs will be able to wait for a second AF and finish off the stragglers without encountering any mishaps.

I am not sure if resting after the first AF will cause hate to be drawn to the SMNs. But even if it was, you could still get back enough MP for a second Astral Flow via a 2/tic Refresh drink or something.

Edited, May 14th 2009 3:06pm by Fynlar

Now, I'm not a SMN, I think they are cool but the title of the thread did catch my eye, and after reading it over, there is a nerf probably coming for you guys, soon.

Albeit I do love pet jobs.



This would hurt majority of the other pet jobs though,

Pup and Bst would be unable to focus on two mobs at once, or conversely handle a link. If the pet kills the link, they wouldn't claim it, as you can't claim two mobs at once. Considering D/c and EM soloing can involve this kind of method for chains, there would be alot of rage going on.

Drg/Whm soloing would be affected by links only, as if they switch targets the wyvern will auto-attack until the Drg doesn't, leave this exp nerf much more frustrating.


Would greatly hurt the PL idea, as when the 75 pulls hate its already possible to forfeit all exp, doing this would make it even more likely, and even more worse.



Sorry, but one of you guys tried to break the game, and unlike the BST nerf or Drg nerf, its intentional when one job becomes too overpowered.

I understand it will hurt SMN, but I'm pretty sure something like the Rng nerf is in future for you guys, or at least to put a seal on this because its too much for you guys to have this of all things.

When people try to exploit things, everyone suffers.

Rng and Blm tried it years ago, they got hit with some pretty nasty setbacks for their trouble, and it will be the same for any other job that tries to break the game and take advantage of a mistake.

Just the last update Corsair got a ridiculous boost to their Quickdraw and that was sealed almost instantly. SE is heavy handed, and when one job pulls out in front of the others, invites eachother exclusively, and just does things like this they take notice.

What makes you think this is not an exploit? It says it in the title, and another SMN tried to get the OP to change the thread title so it wouldn't be out in the open, please don't justify it. As cool as a job as SMN is, just don't.



Out of curiosity, when was the last time your MNK had a higher level character round up the mobs in a nice neat and orderly fashion and then let you AoE it to death?

While PLing walks a fine line, its not over the top like this, you cannot make a case for a 75 babysitting a small pt that still pulls and kills at a slightly faster rate.

In this scenario, not only are you having a higher level unethically grab the mobs and tank them with no intention of fighting them, you are also killing and ruining majority of the zone within a particular radius, a BST that was soloing there, a Blm that was in the area, maybe even a small PT has to compete with repsawn times and your puller/kiter to get mobs.

You say it is only once every 2 hours, but if you have a Corsair that uses its 2hr and gets lucky then that isn't the case, but I don't quite agree with your logic. Not even factoring the time it takes to round up all the mobs so that they'll stand perfectly still until they die.

I'm fond of creativity, SMN burns, Pet burns, as a Pup I look to you guys as fellow partners in the petjob system, and want to work with you all in more interesting and creative PT setups in order to maximize potential.

But don't turn something quite as rude, broken, and unethical as stealing up all the mobs, and then killing them with 0 danger to you and off another character who rightfully claimed/linked them outside of the PT, 2hr, only to luckily roll and hope get a chance to do it all again.

Its not a matter of the exp rate, its a matter of the method you are using to get it. But I promise you, a nerf to Astral Flow would be the worst possible scenario, and it will more then likely happen if its still just SMN using this method to exploit.

And no one wants that, so it might behoove you to stop endorsing it and do something better.

Your argument is really picking at straws. Yes it is an exploit in the definition of being an exploit, but there are so many other exploits in this game that people take for granted that I do not see a nerf coming. In terms of this not working like the dev team designed, almost every job has been party to some kind of exploit, and every player in this game has benefited from some kind of exploit.

In terms of SMN burns destroying zones, theres a reason we do these burns in zones that are sparsely populated. Maze of Shakhrami, Korroloka Tunnel, Beastmen Strongholds, etc. That way we don't ruin other people's party camps.

A lot of your characteristic flaws about the morality of SMN burns, i.e.

are the same as any merit party or "mob bank" type party where one character holds several mobs for the party to engage and kill.

You also mention soloists or small parties losing in this situation. I will remind you that the mobs in the chain are not claimed by anybody. That soloing BLM or BST can run up and claim any of the mobs in this chain. The SMN party will hardly notice it because it would be one less mob in a chain of 100+

Your logic is faulty, as is your understanding of what I'm trying to say. Your logic is "Since it is an exploit, it will be nerfed." My counterpoint is that there are countless examples of things in the past that were considered exploits when they were discovered, yet have not been nerfed or have been only slightly adjusted.

Examples include:
Power Leveling, Merit Parties, Ninja Tanking, KC Zerg (or any zerg for that matter), Super Tanking, Bard Rotations, Pet Soloing, Real Mana Burns, Break Synthing, Holding An Assault Tag, etc.

Further evidence for why it will not be nerfed are the facts that, as a 2hr ability, it was designed to not have damage dissipation, compared to other AoE damage effects (I can't supply the interview, but the dev team was specifically asked why astral flow blood pacts were weaker than 70 BPs, to which they responded that Astral Flow was designed to do a massive amount of damage to a large number of mobs.)

Also, this topic is over 8 months old. There have been at least 2 updates since then, yet there has never been any kind of move towards adjusting it. Before you bring up the salvage nerf, I remind you that it was a very small population doing the glitch, which was also keeping it a secret over the time frame that the glitch was being used.

SMN Astral Burns do have their drawbacks. Some of them include but not limited to:

1. Meds (such as Hi-Ethers) are required, although you can get by with 2 hi-ethers per run (after AF bloodpact 1 and 2) and rest during thunderspark rounds.

2. It takes a long time to complete a pull.

3. There is downtime between pulls for Wild Card (usually at the nearest town or Whitegate).

4. it can take several Wild Cards before a successful one is attained.

5. The pullers and summoners must be people that know what they are doing. I.E. That jelly at the one Kor. Tunnel camp must be taken care of, either it is killed right before the sync or the pullers simply aggro them. If that jelly is not taken care of, the run can and will result in a failure.

6. Summoners must never use /pet Assault <t>. It is simply /pet "bloodpact name" <t>, and that <t> must be the mob that is CFH.

7. Not all runs will yield the desired XP results. I have seen runs where all 9 Diamond Dusts got resisted (the sync person fails to get to level 19 in the process), and the pullers were forced to -aga the train to death. I have also seen runs where the Giga dies after 9 Diamond Dusts and the pullers have to find a new mob for CFH target.

I'm going to just make a single statement now for any future responses of anything that is legitimate that haters attempt to put out there as "an exploit".

An "exploit" is simply a method of doing something. This method was reached after many trials and errors to achieve maximum results with minimum cost. The idea of maximizing outcome while minimizing what must go in it is called "optimization", and is a normal and highly-desirable option for humanity as a whole. Inefficiency is to be reduced as much as possible, and we have simply found a new way to achieve this.

Thusly if you really wish to argue semantics, the very philosophy of our lives revolves around "exploiting" a changeable weakness in a method. This is an exploit. It is also an acceptable way through which all current ways of life is possible. Get used to it because humans will never stop trying to optimize processes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icyW3ybDtrM

Video proof of a chain 166 in Kor Tunnel I did last night

This has allready been confirmed by SE to NOT be an exploit.

A group of hardcore summoners got tired of the overcamping and e-peens at Kor. Tunnel and we went looking for another zone to burn.

Spoilerdon't click if you don't want to find out

Zero competition, more mobs, and thundersparks always available in case of diaster.

Edited, Oct 15th 2009 12:34pm by etnapwnzs

last night my usual jungle group (sans me, I was sick and didn't feel like playing FFXI that night) executed a Spoilerchain 214 in the jungle using the same pullers and most of the same summoners from some of the earlier parties. They gained Spoiler65k XP.

You're kidding, right?