Ultimate SMN 75 equipment guide (discussion)!Follow

getting back to why i said it was situationally better is because it gives refresh, refresh>perp, depending on how much it gives. and the reason why it doesn't beat bahamuts staff is because of the +5 smn skill, which effects our avatars directly. also, the reason i said claustrum has better dps is because of the numbers on ffxiclopedia,
claustrum: DPS: 11.08
juggy: 9.58
algol: 10.43
ridill: DPS: 10.17

thats the base damage per second of all four, copypasta'd from ffxiclopedia.

back to main topic.

neck hands down (imo)would be summoning torque, for some reason i see higher spikes than when i use sac torque when in exp partys(i need someone to parse this), although to an uncapped smn skill character, sac torque may be better. with phi necklace for resting (+3 hmp)

best single earring is summoning earring, with magnetic or antivenom on the second ear, switching summoning earring with the +2hmp sea earring for resting.

rings are evokers and the -1 perp latent ring, if you have a setup to use it, if not, one of the 50 hp to mp.

back is the +5 smn skill cape from sea, invig cape for resting.

waist is qiqirn sash+1 just for the biggest +hmp boost, nothing really useful here other than maybe a spell interrupt waist, but no one uses them.

legs are a bit of a toss up, af+1(acc), relic+1(-2 bp timer and better for spirits), or marduks for +5 smn skill(better for buffs).

feet af+1 for keeping an avatar out, relic+1 for BPrage, nashira or marduk for +skill(marduk has the more useful secondary stats).

hands, nashira for perp, relic+1 for for BPs(rage or buff)


there's also a thread i participated in that has the best possible +mp setup ever, give me a moment and i'll find it.

Ok... why again are you comparing the DPS of the lolclaustrum to non-relics? (Also because the Ridill is multi-hit, DPS is so freaking irrelevant it's not funny)

All Relics save the Guttler and Mjollnir have nearly one point more DPS than the Claustrum. And most other relics help out the party / linkshell.

And the point of the relic weapons for the most part, is about the group not yourself. Unless you funded it yourself, but then and again theres much better things you could spend the money on.

Relics like the Shield and Horn are most common because they are the most beneficial towards the group. The Shield (like I said before) has an insane proc rate and helps tremendously on HNMS and other uncapped / endgame events. The Horn makes it so bards only have to carry around the horn instead of about 7-8 instruments. It also gives a much better refresh.

Dual Ballad goes from 3 mp per second, to 7 mp per second which is what I'd think most Summoners would want. Which is I'm guessing is much more refresh than you'd get with the staff.


Now amongst all this arguing and such, I do believe the Staff could be secksed up a bit ;) and make it so it would actually be useful, much akin to like the Horn does for Brd.


Also if you want the Highest DPS weapon in the game (that's not multi-hit) is the Mandau at 13.3.

Uh..While I understand hope springs enteral, no matter what DD gear your wearing or what drug your smoking, a Clausturm can not outparse a ridill, if that's what your saying.

I'll dig around on BG, there was a 40 page thread about lolClausturm last year.

Yup, that's the one. Also the "Who's who of relic holders" thread has a small smattering of info.

Holy Necro-Post Batman!

Bahamut is still the second best staff a smn can get. With nirvana being the best. 30 mp 5 skill and 3 perp. You can't beat that except with the nirvana.

Did you look at the date on the post? Please can we just let this thread die :(


Are you insane? I use Sac Torque on every single physical BP I have. The attack boost is through the roof, compared to the 2 accuracy or whatever you might get from Smn Torque. There are lots of slots to boost avatar accuracy or summoning skill, but very few to boost attack.

I have a fay staff that compares to the B staff... -3 perp >> +7 to pet attack >> silence +9. The silence kicks in about every 7-9 hits. The +7 is pretty wicked with capped merits in phs. attack and acc. lol and I just noticed how old this thread is...

ROFL, wow that's the first time I've seen someone suggest that the ANNM pole beats Bahamut's Staff. What are you smoking, and where can I get some? Fay Crozier, at its best, is on par with Bahamut's Staff. They both have same perp down and both enhance BPs, while Bahamut's Staff has higher damage and a good bit of MP. Also, use of one doesn't exclude the use of the other. You can use Bahamut's Staff most of the time and swap in Fay for BPs. So I'd say Nirvana > Bahamut/Fay > HQ Ele > ANNM, with Bahamut's slightly edging out Fay but admittedly not by enough to say it's "clearly superior." ANNM is hands down the worst option; It's only good for swapping in to Elemental Siphon, then it goes back in the bag. It has no perp down at all. Elemental staves are a much better option than the ANNM pole.

Personally, I'm shooting for a Fay with BP-1 (or more) and M.Acc + MAB. I don't even care if it has perp down, as I'll continue to use Bahamut Staff, I want a Fay Crozier I can swap in just for BPs. That, to me, is the best possible combination below Nirvana. Bahamut's or Fay alone is not as good as having a good combination of both.

Edited, Sep 11th 2009 10:30am by Pergatory

Whether Fay beats Bahamuts for idle depends on whether you are meleeing. Which, if you are keeping avatar out while idling, odds are you are meleeing too. Bahamuts would be better for that. As far as during BP themselves, whether Fay beats Bahamuts depends on the accuracy of your BP. Bahamuts will be better on high evasion or really powerful enemies, while Fay will be better on weaker enemies where acc/m.acc isn't an issue. I don't think it's quite so clear-cut. ANNM pole doesn't come close to either of the two in any situation except doing a quick Siphon.