Forum Settings
       
1 2 Next »
Reply To Thread

Ultimate SMN 75 equipment guide (discussion)!Follow

#52 Apr 07 2007 at 2:39 PM Rating: Decent
***
1,233 posts
getting back to why i said it was situationally better is because it gives refresh, refresh>perp, depending on how much it gives. and the reason why it doesn't beat bahamuts staff is because of the +5 smn skill, which effects our avatars directly. also, the reason i said claustrum has better dps is because of the numbers on ffxiclopedia,
claustrum: DPS: 11.08
juggy: 9.58
algol: 10.43
ridill: DPS: 10.17

thats the base damage per second of all four, copypasta'd from ffxiclopedia.

back to main topic.

neck hands down (imo)would be summoning torque, for some reason i see higher spikes than when i use sac torque when in exp partys(i need someone to parse this), although to an uncapped smn skill character, sac torque may be better. with phi necklace for resting (+3 hmp)

best single earring is summoning earring, with magnetic or antivenom on the second ear, switching summoning earring with the +2hmp sea earring for resting.

rings are evokers and the -1 perp latent ring, if you have a setup to use it, if not, one of the 50 hp to mp.

back is the +5 smn skill cape from sea, invig cape for resting.

waist is qiqirn sash+1 just for the biggest +hmp boost, nothing really useful here other than maybe a spell interrupt waist, but no one uses them.

legs are a bit of a toss up, af+1(acc), relic+1(-2 bp timer and better for spirits), or marduks for +5 smn skill(better for buffs).

feet af+1 for keeping an avatar out, relic+1 for BPrage, nashira or marduk for +skill(marduk has the more useful secondary stats).

hands, nashira for perp, relic+1 for for BPs(rage or buff)


there's also a thread i participated in that has the best possible +mp setup ever, give me a moment and i'll find it.
____________________________
smn 75: nirvana 4900/30000 alexandrite, 2/3 trophys, 51/101 assaults, 150/150 nyzul isle, 100/100 einherjar.
I had thought it was LttP>LA>LoZ>LoZ2>OoT>MM and then WW and TP were supposed to be like... alternate universes or something. Or it might not matter, because it's a **** video game about a 4'5" elf saving an eternal ****
#53 Apr 07 2007 at 2:48 PM Rating: Decent
***
1,233 posts
here it is.
____________________________
smn 75: nirvana 4900/30000 alexandrite, 2/3 trophys, 51/101 assaults, 150/150 nyzul isle, 100/100 einherjar.
I had thought it was LttP>LA>LoZ>LoZ2>OoT>MM and then WW and TP were supposed to be like... alternate universes or something. Or it might not matter, because it's a **** video game about a 4'5" elf saving an eternal ****
#54 Apr 07 2007 at 7:49 PM Rating: Good
**
512 posts
Quote:
claustrum: DPS: 11.08
juggy: 9.58
algol: 10.43
ridill: DPS: 10.17


Ok... why again are you comparing the DPS of the lolclaustrum to non-relics? (Also because the Ridill is multi-hit, DPS is so freaking irrelevant it's not funny)

All Relics save the Guttler and Mjollnir have nearly one point more DPS than the Claustrum. And most other relics help out the party / linkshell.

And the point of the relic weapons for the most part, is about the group not yourself. Unless you funded it yourself, but then and again theres much better things you could spend the money on.

Relics like the Shield and Horn are most common because they are the most beneficial towards the group. The Shield (like I said before) has an insane proc rate and helps tremendously on HNMS and other uncapped / endgame events. The Horn makes it so bards only have to carry around the horn instead of about 7-8 instruments. It also gives a much better refresh.

Dual Ballad goes from 3 mp per second, to 7 mp per second which is what I'd think most Summoners would want. Which is I'm guessing is much more refresh than you'd get with the staff.


Now amongst all this arguing and such, I do believe the Staff could be secksed up a bit ;) and make it so it would actually be useful, much akin to like the Horn does for Brd.


Also if you want the Highest DPS weapon in the game (that's not multi-hit) is the Mandau at 13.3.
____________________________
Tira - 63 Dark Knight / 31 Warrior Lakshmi
Current Setup

lolrockboy
#55 Apr 08 2007 at 9:53 AM Rating: Default
***
1,233 posts
Quote:
(Also because the Ridill is multi-hit, DPS is so freaking irrelevant it's not funny)


and claustrum has a occasionally hits for 2.5x damage, and juggy has a **** of atk.we won't know which one is better until all of them are parsed, but have fun asking caile to DD gear up with his claustrum to try.


Quote:
Dual Ballad goes from 3 mp per second, to 7 mp per second which is what I'd think most Summoners would want. Which is I'm guessing is much more refresh than you'd get with the staff.


Now amongst all this arguing and such, I do believe the Staff could be secksed up a bit ;) and make it so it would actually be useful, much akin to like the Horn does for Brd.


it also procs dispel and self skillchains, which to be honest is pretty f'n amazing. it probably has all sorts of hidden magey effects too, but i'm not sure(again, i gotta talk to caile about it) also i'm not sure of the amount of refresh it gives(i thought it was 3-5 based on tp), another thing i need more info on(ffxiclopedia doesnt have the formula), just more questions for caile.
____________________________
smn 75: nirvana 4900/30000 alexandrite, 2/3 trophys, 51/101 assaults, 150/150 nyzul isle, 100/100 einherjar.
I had thought it was LttP>LA>LoZ>LoZ2>OoT>MM and then WW and TP were supposed to be like... alternate universes or something. Or it might not matter, because it's a **** video game about a 4'5" elf saving an eternal ****
#56 Apr 08 2007 at 12:03 PM Rating: Decent
Scholar
***
2,169 posts
frodnonnag wrote:
Quote:
(Also because the Ridill is multi-hit, DPS is so freaking irrelevant it's not funny)


and claustrum has a occasionally hits for 2.5x damage, and juggy has a sh*t-ton of atk.we won't know which one is better until all of them are parsed, but have fun asking caile to DD gear up with his claustrum to try.


Uh..While I understand hope springs enteral, no matter what DD gear your wearing or what drug your smoking, a Clausturm can not outparse a ridill, if that's what your saying.

I'll dig around on BG, there was a 40 page thread about lolClausturm last year.
____________________________
75SMN/37WHM/-The Fallen Angels
#57 Apr 08 2007 at 2:13 PM Rating: Good
**
512 posts
Sixtail wrote:
I'll dig around on BG, there was a 40 page thread about lolClausturm last year.


This thread?
____________________________
Tira - 63 Dark Knight / 31 Warrior Lakshmi
Current Setup

lolrockboy
#58 Apr 08 2007 at 4:01 PM Rating: Decent
Scholar
***
2,169 posts
ValeforNoValis wrote:
Sixtail wrote:
I'll dig around on BG, there was a 40 page thread about lolClausturm last year.


This thread?


Yup, that's the one. Also the "Who's who of relic holders" thread has a small smattering of info.
____________________________
75SMN/37WHM/-The Fallen Angels
#59 Aug 27 2009 at 11:24 AM Rating: Default
*
53 posts
Add:

Head: Karura Hashigane (Garuda specific for -perp and att/def)
Hands: Evoker's Gages (Leviathan specific for beseiged)
Weapon: Nirvana (Eats Bahamut staffs for dinner)


Other things too... but off the top of my head... I cant think of them
____________________________
Name: Yygdrasil
Race: TaruTaru
Server: Kujata
Rank: 6 (Bastok)
Linkshell: FatalDisconnection
(Smn)75 / (Whm)37 / (Blm) 37 / (Thf) 15
#60 Aug 27 2009 at 4:50 PM Rating: Default
***
2,151 posts
Holy Necro-Post Batman!
____________________________
Equivocator: 75 PLD.
99.4 Fishing, 100+3 Woodworking.
60 Alchemy, 60 Smithing, 60 Clothcraft, 60 Cooking, 60 LeatherCraft, 60 Bonecraft, 60 Gold.
Lu Shangs Rod: O

Beast Masters Unite. (Duo Camps)
#61 Aug 27 2009 at 5:22 PM Rating: Good
Scholar
**
912 posts
necro as it may be, i would also like to put in a point here.

for the less fortune, maybe a Fay Crozier would be a pretty good replacement for Bahamut or HQ staves.
____________________________
/em stares at the sky of Ifrit and space out

Osakachan, spacing out on the Ifrit server since Oct. 2003 ^^;

manga/anime fans can check out this thread ^_~
#62 Aug 30 2009 at 12:45 PM Rating: Decent
***
1,104 posts
Bahamut is still the second best staff a smn can get. With nirvana being the best. 30 mp 5 skill and 3 perp. You can't beat that except with the nirvana.
____________________________
Lost and Crazy
#63 Aug 31 2009 at 9:28 AM Rating: Decent
Scholar
**
828 posts
Head: Karura Hachigane
Legs: Oracles Braconni (skill+5)
Ear: Relaxing (mph+2)
hands oracles gloves (mph+2)
feet: goliard/avocat/numerist (mph+3)
Yigit set still nice while resting.
legs: zenith slacks. (stacking enough mp can give you essentially a free bloodpact, usefull when soloing.
ammo: astral pot enhanced avatar magic damage :D
salvage gears too.

Food: Wizard Cookies,

lot of the listed stuff is questionable. i dont believe i know any smn who would use sacrifice over smn torque, only reason i have it is to wake me up if im slept.

and bluecape+1 oh please be joking, intensifying is better and cheaper

edit:
relic body for physical pacts,
and evk. spats+1 dont add extra accuraccy to the nq, emnity is the main reason to +1 them

Edited, Aug 31st 2009 1:32pm by Dzian
____________________________


#64 Sep 01 2009 at 10:20 AM Rating: Good
****
4,210 posts
Dzian wrote:
lot of the listed stuff is questionable.

Did you look at the date on the post? Please can we just let this thread die :(

Dzian wrote:
i dont believe i know any smn who would use sacrifice over smn torque

Are you insane? I use Sac Torque on every single physical BP I have. The attack boost is through the roof, compared to the 2 accuracy or whatever you might get from Smn Torque. There are lots of slots to boost avatar accuracy or summoning skill, but very few to boost attack.
____________________________
Pergatory (Asura, Kupo LS) WHM99 ~ SMN99 ~ DRK99
"If you want to know me, look inside your heart." -Lao Tzu
#65 Sep 01 2009 at 10:58 AM Rating: Decent
Scholar
**
828 posts
Pergatory wrote:
Did you look at the date on the post?


Nope, sorry.

simply its on the firstpage its fairly recent lol, or not in this case.
____________________________


#66 Sep 02 2009 at 10:23 AM Rating: Decent
I have a fay staff that compares to the B staff... -3 perp >> +7 to pet attack >> silence +9. The silence kicks in about every 7-9 hits. The +7 is pretty wicked with capped merits in phs. attack and acc. lol and I just noticed how old this thread is...
____________________________
[ffxisig]176110[/ffxisig]

#67 Sep 10 2009 at 4:23 PM Rating: Decent
***
1,233 posts
bahamuts is currently fourth. nirvana, fay crozier, and annm mythic pole beat it, in that order.
____________________________
smn 75: nirvana 4900/30000 alexandrite, 2/3 trophys, 51/101 assaults, 150/150 nyzul isle, 100/100 einherjar.
I had thought it was LttP>LA>LoZ>LoZ2>OoT>MM and then WW and TP were supposed to be like... alternate universes or something. Or it might not matter, because it's a **** video game about a 4'5" elf saving an eternal ****
#68 Sep 11 2009 at 7:44 AM Rating: Decent
****
4,210 posts
frodnonnag wrote:
bahamuts is currently fourth. nirvana, fay crozier, and annm mythic pole beat it, in that order.

ROFL, wow that's the first time I've seen someone suggest that the ANNM pole beats Bahamut's Staff. What are you smoking, and where can I get some? Fay Crozier, at its best, is on par with Bahamut's Staff. They both have same perp down and both enhance BPs, while Bahamut's Staff has higher damage and a good bit of MP. Also, use of one doesn't exclude the use of the other. You can use Bahamut's Staff most of the time and swap in Fay for BPs. So I'd say Nirvana > Bahamut/Fay > HQ Ele > ANNM, with Bahamut's slightly edging out Fay but admittedly not by enough to say it's "clearly superior." ANNM is hands down the worst option; It's only good for swapping in to Elemental Siphon, then it goes back in the bag. It has no perp down at all. Elemental staves are a much better option than the ANNM pole.

Personally, I'm shooting for a Fay with BP-1 (or more) and M.Acc + MAB. I don't even care if it has perp down, as I'll continue to use Bahamut Staff, I want a Fay Crozier I can swap in just for BPs. That, to me, is the best possible combination below Nirvana. Bahamut's or Fay alone is not as good as having a good combination of both.

Edited, Sep 11th 2009 10:30am by Pergatory
____________________________
Pergatory (Asura, Kupo LS) WHM99 ~ SMN99 ~ DRK99
"If you want to know me, look inside your heart." -Lao Tzu
#69 Sep 11 2009 at 7:01 PM Rating: Good
***
1,233 posts
use wise, in idle both nirvana and a physical crozier beat bahamuts, and for blood pacts nirvana, crozier and mythic pole all beat bahamuts. so from my point of view, bahamuts is 4th for anything but perp, where it is 3rd.

Edited, Sep 11th 2009 11:03pm by frodnonnag
____________________________
smn 75: nirvana 4900/30000 alexandrite, 2/3 trophys, 51/101 assaults, 150/150 nyzul isle, 100/100 einherjar.
I had thought it was LttP>LA>LoZ>LoZ2>OoT>MM and then WW and TP were supposed to be like... alternate universes or something. Or it might not matter, because it's a **** video game about a 4'5" elf saving an eternal ****
#70 Sep 14 2009 at 7:50 AM Rating: Decent
****
4,210 posts
frodnonnag wrote:
use wise, in idle both nirvana and a physical crozier beat bahamuts, and for blood pacts nirvana, crozier and mythic pole all beat bahamuts. so from my point of view, bahamuts is 4th for anything but perp, where it is 3rd.

Whether Fay beats Bahamuts for idle depends on whether you are meleeing. Which, if you are keeping avatar out while idling, odds are you are meleeing too. Bahamuts would be better for that. As far as during BP themselves, whether Fay beats Bahamuts depends on the accuracy of your BP. Bahamuts will be better on high evasion or really powerful enemies, while Fay will be better on weaker enemies where acc/m.acc isn't an issue. I don't think it's quite so clear-cut. ANNM pole doesn't come close to either of the two in any situation except doing a quick Siphon.
____________________________
Pergatory (Asura, Kupo LS) WHM99 ~ SMN99 ~ DRK99
"If you want to know me, look inside your heart." -Lao Tzu
1 2 Next »
Reply To Thread

Colors Smileys Quote OriginalQuote Checked Help

 

Recent Visitors: 17 All times are in CDT
Anonymous Guests (17)