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#77 Sep 09 2004 at 3:27 PM Rating: Decent
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|Hello!| Thiefcat

Thank you for spending the time and effort to write such an awesome guide. I lvled smn to 14 but am not working on getting to Rank 5 before I do anything else. When I do get back to smn I suspect I will be rereading your guide again and I have no doubt it will help me immensly.

I would also like to point out that Summoner Info is a great website for summoner information as well. The two guides differ somewhat but that is a good thing as it gives people a better idea of what works and what doesn't work. Plus everyone's anicdotal tales of their fights was inspiring as well. I sincerely hope I have as much success as some of you have had with the fights. Yet I will have fun with it, which is the most important part ^^ I recently have finished getting all of my teleport quests done and those were awesome. I was extremely lucky most of the time in finding the ???s and only died 2wise for all 6 teleports. ^^

As far as lvling fame, I read somewhere (I believe Mysterytour) that how much each quest raises your fame depends on 3 things A.) what city you are doing quests in B.) what race you are C.) what Nation you are affliated with. The key factor is race and whether that race is favored in that city or not. Plus if you are of that city, you get more.

For instance: a Mithra from Windhurst gets more fame from doing a Windhurst quest than a Hume From San'Doria.

That is why you always get different people telling you different amounts of millioncorn in Selbina to raise fame from 1 to 9.

As far as the fame lvls themselves, doesn't matter to me because I have fame lvl 6-7 everywhere. Yet I do want to say that the sayings that the Fame NPC say 'do' change somewhat. I have no clue how or why they change but I have researched 'several' fame lvl guides and there seems to be 3 or 4 lists circling around. Neither of them fit to exactly what the NPCs told me. Though Thiefcat's fame lvl guide fit perfectly. The reason I say it changes is because those other guides were written by someone and I assume they did their best to copy the fame lvls word for word (to assume otherwise is impolite considering the work involved). So given that they obviously have changed somehow and for some reason.
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#78 Sep 14 2004 at 9:28 PM Rating: Decent
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There is one thing I noticed during the recent update on sep 13. It stated that when entering a lvl cap battle now, all buffs such as protect and shell will be removed and must be cast at the capped lvl. So does this mean that I cant get a protect 3 anymore before going into an avatar fight? I am planning on fighting Titan soon.
#79 Sep 14 2004 at 10:18 PM Rating: Decent
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There was another thread about that too, saying that they cast protect I and aquaveil on themselves and they stayed, haven't proven it myself though
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#80 Sep 14 2004 at 10:30 PM Rating: Decent
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hey theifcat. you're guide really worked out for me, so thanks for writing it. :)

a few notes:

yes , i did cast protect and aquaveil on me before entering the protocrystal. no, they did not wear off.

and, beating a dead horse, i only needed level 2 fame in sandy to fight shiva.

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#81 Sep 16 2004 at 2:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Just wanted to say thank you thiefcat for this excellent guide. Lost my first battle with Shiva(but it was very close, she couldnt have had more than 10hp left, and I forgot to drink my ether after 2nd SL and couldnt banish) b/c I was really nervous and f'ed up alot. Note to everyone, remove your "release" macros before going into the fights... I learned that the hard way on Shiva, but it wasn't why I died.

Anyway, thanks to your guide I am having fun and being very successful at getting the avatars thanks to this guide. After I lost to Shiva, I waited 2 hours and killed Ifrit w/o a hitch. 2 Hours later I fought Ramuh and thanks to the Ramuh section I got him first try. He paralyzed me twice, but I still killed him. :) Thank you ^^

Btw, I can confrim that you dont get the warp scroll if you have one in moghouse, I had to bloodport out of Ifrit and Ramuh battles. I'll bring one with me to fight Shiva in a few hours.
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#82 Sep 16 2004 at 6:16 AM Rating: Decent
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I can vouch for level-capped BCNM battles, that buffs other than food that are above the capped level are removed upon entering the burning circle. Can't use Protectra IV on BCNM40 no more :(

I haven't been able to confirm this for the lvl20 avatar battles because when I thought to test this out on lvl20 Shiva (to get my Ice Fragment for ZM5 ^^;) I forgot that I still had the Whisper of Frost in my key items from the full-level fight at the time which I suppose prevented me from being teleported to the cloister.

I also cannot attest to the exact fame value required as I'd already had max fame in all cities by the time this patch had come out, but from what I hear it is extremely minimal. (which is GOOD for Leviathan >_< omgwtfbbq)

One thing I would like to point out is that the Prime avatars are on the same 1 minute Blood Pact delay timer as your Carbuncle is, and that if its delay is up and Carbuncle is gone, it is VERY likely to pound you or your next Carbuncle with a Blood Pact immediately - and if that next Blood Pact happens to a 2hr, that is very, very bad.

When I got my avatars via the lvl20 method, I pretty much had to treat each Prime BP past the opening Pact as a potential 2hr, and usually in each battle, the Primes got off 3 or 4. The key, I found, was that if the Prime's BP was up or within 10s or so, to - instead of immediately using Searing as soon as Carbuncle's BP timer is up - wait and see what the Prime uses. If it is something that doesn't kill Carbuncle, then go ahead and use Searing again, or if it does, you can easily resummon and immediately use Searing.

Because you pretty much have about 55s leeway to mess around with the Astral Flow duration, I found this to be a lot safer, being a taru. (although I found I could usually survive a 2hr if I mistimed and was too close, though Carbuncle couldn't, so I usually couldn't ^x;)

Also, out of the 10 times I fought the avatars (went 1/1 on three of them, 1/5 on Ifrit, 1/2 on Titan/Leviathan) the 3 Searing Lights method only went off perfectly (i.e. the full 210 damage every time) on 3 of the wins (the losses were mostly due to 2hrs =.=; I practised on Ifrit since he didn't have any status effect attacks). The rest, one of the SLs got resisted partially, so they were pitched battles in the end(i.e. me smacking away with my Mercenary's Pole and Carbuncle trying to melee on low mp) I fought them all on their weak days as I had gotten mauled several times on Lightsday.

With Garuda and her Aerial Armor, you might want to allow Carbuncle to melee a bit until her next bloodpact before starting the 3SL method... Carbuncle hit her 3 times unresisted with Searing Light and she still had a respectable amount of hp left, no doubt because of her using Aerial Armor the times she didn't 2hr.

As for food, I agree that fishkabobs or boiled crab is the best choice ^^ I used melon juice instead of yagudo drinks because yag drinks had this tendency to wear off right after my 3rd Searing Light, which was kinda bad if Carbuncle needed to still be out to melee. Melon Juice has a slightly shorter duration so you can redrink it between SLs... and it's more cost-effective than yag drinks anyway (90mp for melon 600gil, 120mp for yag 1500gil, same refresh rate, 2mp/3s). I also brought a stack of mulsums with me, as well as a bunch of hipots. Mulsums only give back 10mp, but they have the advantage of being very fast and having no spell "downtime" like ethers, and 10mp is usually all you need to pump out the next Searing Light with juice flowing.

Edited, Thu Sep 16 07:19:39 2004 by JeyKama

Edited, Thu Sep 16 07:20:19 2004 by JeyKama
#83 Sep 17 2004 at 2:04 AM Rating: Decent
Theifcat, if you were a woman, i'd marry you.
....that didn't sound right...

Anyway, thanks for the guide. Now, all you have to do is get this stickied, or submit it to Gamefaqs.
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#84 Sep 17 2004 at 12:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Thiefcat....Thank you for such a wonderful guide!!!! I have been trying to Lvl Summoner to replace my Blm sub for my Whm (I want the auto regen). I finally hit lvl 20 and decided it was time to attempt the avatar battles.

My frist opponent was Ifrit. I followed your guide to the letter and am happy to say that I spanked Ifrit and broke the record. I fought him on Lightsday and it was a piece of cake. Later that night after working on LB1 with my LS I noticed it was Lightsday again and attempted Shiva.

Followed you guide to the letter again. I was a little apprehensive becuase a Lvl 60 Smn told me to put off Shiva and Ramuh as long as possible (obvious reason for Ramuh is in your guide). I would just like people to know that Shiva is a pain in the **** to beat. I barely had time to make it own to the crystal, pop an ether and summon carby before she was there. That chick moves fast and hits carby hard!!! Got the second searing light off and started running. Got to the bend and uh oh carby is dead. >< Poped my ether and Shiva whacks me upside the head. Tried to cast carby, it got interupted (with aquaviel on), had to use a hi-potion cause i was almost dead, casted carby again and out he came. Thank God!! Shiva proceeded to smack me around into the red, somehow got the last Searing Light off and kicked her **** managing to beat the record yet again (how that happened i have no idea).

Be aware everyone that Shiva is probably the second hardest after Ramuh. I am happy that i got lucky and beat my first two avatars on the first attempts...and I owe it all to Thiefcat...Thank you so much!!!! =)

Edit: Got Garuda...fought on Lightsday again...it was a cake walk though my 3 searing lights didn't kill her and i had to use banish once.

Edit: I can now summon big ugly thong man...yay titan =)

Edited, Sat Sep 18 12:18:11 2004 by cutePuddin

Edited, Wed Sep 22 03:01:49 2004 by cutePuddin
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#85 Sep 21 2004 at 6:37 AM Rating: Default
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/bump This is an awesome guide!
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#86 Sep 21 2004 at 11:13 AM Rating: Decent
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ArTwoKay, you are lucky, I made a cheap guide for poor people like me, because on my server....

Hi-potion x1 = 2.5k
Ether x2 = 4-6k
Boiled crayfish x1 400 (a break ^^)

Anyway, things are exensive on my server, or maybe, I dunno, just thought I'd state a fact
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#87 Sep 23 2004 at 12:14 PM Rating: Default
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/bump

Yes I bumped my own thread, but you know what, the day that goes by when someone in game dosn't send me a tell saying how this guide helped them will be the day I stop bumping my guide. I noticed there is another guide posted now, that I feel isn't as detailed as this one, and hope that I can continue helping others on this thread.

Maybe we can get this guide Stickied, what do you guys think?
#88 Sep 23 2004 at 1:13 PM Rating: Decent
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It is a great guide, Thiefcat!

So, it really should be stickied.

Your guide and Azzam's video battles (I downloaded them) made me want to try Summoner.

I agree with you, Azzam's videos made it look so easy to do. :)

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#89 Sep 23 2004 at 1:41 PM Rating: Default
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Where did you find Azzam's videos. Post a link please, so I can link it in my guide. Azzam took them down last I noticed, and didn't see them on Karg's list.

Please post the link and thanks for the kind words =)
#90 Sep 23 2004 at 1:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Nice guide... specially about Ramuh... for me also it was a piece of cake to do Ifrit and Shiva... Ramuh 2 times ... now I stopped there I tried Titan 3 times and screwed up like once for nothing... anyway he does something similar to Ramuh and I get paralyze then I panic... So I decided to do like Ramuh but it aint working because he did it the second time... ****. One thing I did wrong was to assault and I've noticed in a Titan fight video that he will do his special ability as soon you get close to him BUT if you are out of range it's like canceled :)... And I make sure now I have more then 2 Hi-Ether although they cost almost 3k each now...

I was tired of reading the threads about the Fame thing I just scrolled down the bottom... I won't even go into that...

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#91 Sep 23 2004 at 2:01 PM Rating: Decent
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I was tired of reading the threads about the Fame thing I just scrolled down the bottom... I won't even go into that...

LOL, don't worry I am worn out arguing about it too.

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I have more then 2 Hi-Ether although they cost almost 3k each now...

Wow, I wouldn't normally recommend these to anyone cause they take way to long to drink. At least for me, I had a good rhythm down and factoring in the longer drink time would have killed me. But I am glad you figured it out.
#92 Sep 23 2004 at 2:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey Thiefcat,

I forgot to tell you I would like to put a linkshell together of Summoner only on Ramuh... Just I am too poor... But at least to put you on my Friendlist although I don't know if I will move or not...

Yeah I guess I will try Ether instead I find it too takes a while to drink... but it's not like I knew I figure for the price difference I took the Hi-ether instead... good point... tks! My Summoner now is at 24 ... I've been working on cooking also at the same time now at 37 ... because I need food badly now and will "try" to make some money out of Meatkabob at the same time...
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#93 Sep 23 2004 at 2:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for the Linkshell offer, but I am very happy with my current one. I found out the hard way with the Beastmaster Linkshell I started that usually "Job" type shells don't last very long. Usually everyone has a Main shell they use more often then not so they usually disapate quickly.

You can of course add me to your friendslist =)

Yeah stay away from the Hi Ethers, you really don't need them and the time it takes to use them is way to long.
#94 Sep 23 2004 at 6:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Thiefcat wrote:
Where did you find Azzam's videos. Post a link please, so I can link it in my guide. Azzam took them down last I noticed, and didn't see them on Karg's list.



I'm sorry, Thiefcat, I downloaded them a very long time ago (June 2004 if the timestamps are right) and I have no way of putting them up. :/






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Oh ok, I have them downloaded too. I thought you might have found them reposted somewhere. No worries then.

thanks
#96 Sep 27 2004 at 9:39 AM Rating: Decent
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I dont use hi-potions
i dont need them, and i beat 3 of the avatars...just bring 2 ethers and a yagudo drink
#97 Sep 27 2004 at 9:52 AM Rating: Decent
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You may want to bring some Hi-pots along.

Garuda: Aero II carby, carby dies, she starts smacking you, if you want to survive and have enough time to summon carby then you will need at least 1 hi-pot, or else you will be kissing ground in a very short amount of time.
(that is what happened to me, fight was going well then she aero IIed carby, he died, she came after me smacked me down to the red, hi-pot, summon carby, interrupted, smacked into red again, hi-pot, summon carby, smacked but not interrupted, carby pops out, into the red, ************************** outta hi-pots, carby smacks, she hits me one last time, kiss dirt)
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#98 Sep 28 2004 at 3:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Excuse me... bump...
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#99 Sep 28 2004 at 3:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks again everyone for the kind words. It really puts a smile to my face knowing I help you guys. I get alot of help from people and its nice to be able to return the favor.
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Thiefcat:


I seem to recall an old post about somebody using Astral Flow then IMMEDIATELY logging off.

Two hours later, (s)he logs back in and the previous Astral Flow was still in effect AND (s)he can use it again.

Has this been patched? Or, can I rely on this? So, when I want to do the Avatar battles, I'll Astral Flow two hours(Vana'diel Days) before Lightsday and log off. After 2 hours, log back in, quickly get into the battle arena and hopefully get to do 1 Searing Light before the Astral Flow(activated two hours ago) wears off.

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#101 Sep 28 2004 at 5:37 PM Rating: Decent
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--Try to get Protect III if you can. At least Protect II. (Aero II from Garuda hit me for a 123 Damage twice.)


hehe shell would be what protects you from Areo II, not protect ^^ right? correct me if im wrong ><


Edited, Tue Sep 28 18:38:35 2004 by paoa
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