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#152 Dec 28 2004 at 9:50 PM Rating: Decent
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YAY !!! today Dec 28 two hours after i posted my scores i beat Ramuh 1/1
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#153 Dec 29 2004 at 2:13 AM Rating: Decent
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I'll be the first to say I don't like this guide.

First off: These are AVATARS. Notice the capitalization. In NO WAY will they be very much weaker on the day their element is weak to. They STILL have double elemental status in the area you fight them. You said against...Garuda? that you had one of Carbuncle's Searing Lights resisted for half damage.

I went on Lightsday for every fight, never had a single resist. All SLs did 210 DMG, each and every time. That's a minimum of 18 Unresisted SLs on Lightsday, but it's actually more, because the only two Avatars I beat the first time were Garuda and Leviathan.

To all you new SMNs, trying out these battles, go on Lightsday, when Carbuncle is strongest. You'll be happier you did.

Secondly, all I took was 1 Yagudo Drink, 1 Boiled Crab or Fish Mithkabob, 1 Pamama Au Lait, and 2 Ethers. I only started bringing the two Ethers after I'd already beaten Titan and Shiva, just to be on the safe side. I believe I might have brought along 1 Potion also to a few of them, only used it once. You don't need Hi-Potions at all, especially not 4 of them.

As for the rest of the guide, besides the items and the choice of day, nothing else was really wrong.

I did all the battles as a Lvl 20 SMN, Summoning Skill wasn't capped, but was at most 6 from the cap (not really a big deal as no one knows for sure what Summoning Skill really does). Never got anything higher than Protect I (from myself). Got teleported, use Protect, Aquaveil, and a barelement if it applied. Shiva doesn't cast Sleep to my knowledge. I believe they're restricted to only using abilities they'd have in your hands at 20.

I don't think you needed to make this guide. It may have helped some, but you act like you're the be all end all person when it comes to the Level 20 Mini Battles.

Didn't rate you in either direction, though, I'm pretty sure you can't rate anybody unless you have an average rating of above 3.00.
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#154 Dec 29 2004 at 2:37 AM Rating: Default
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i dont belive in the day thing... i beat ramuh on lightingsday 1st try. same thing with garuda and shiva.. its not true.. to me, its just another myth

LUCK and timing is what wins these battles..
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#155 Dec 29 2004 at 3:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Very nice guide ^^ rate up. One of the few ways you could die is the moment you hit SL, the avatar hits their 2-hr, i.e. Diamond dust. anyway to prevent this?
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#156 Jan 01 2005 at 5:24 PM Rating: Decent
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These guides look great, but my problem isnt with the actual Mini fights. My problem lies in the fact each fight on Titan server costs about 10-20k for supplies. I'v fought Shiva about 6 or 7 times already with no success because i cant afford any of the items (im not talkin about the equip, my LS is kindly lending me the equip i need for the fight). But my question is, where does one come up with the vast ammount of gil needed for things like this, and other things in this game. Dispel took me 2 months of farming Goblins for onions, Yagudo for beads to make spools with, and various other things. Can anyone help me, cuz im barely able to afford choco's these days.
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#157 Jan 02 2005 at 10:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Great Guide, thank you. This has helped me so much!! I just became a lvl 20 Smn Yesterday and took on my first battle with Shiva and won. Took on Ifrit today and Won, so I desided to take on Ramuh on lightday. Everything was going good, following what you said to a T. but after the first Searing Light I ran up, Carby died Ramuh gave chase. I recasted hit the second searing light. but I got caught on Carby and Judgement bolt took me down to red and took the rat out. I tried to run and use a hi potion in hope I would live. But I fell short and died ;_;. Oh well thank you again for this great guide ^_^
#158 Jan 03 2005 at 3:32 PM Rating: Decent
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I like to thank those who contributed to this guide as well.

I fought Shiva, Ramuh, then Garuda yesterday.

Lost to Shiva because it was my first fight and was trying to make sure I did not forget anything so I think I took too long and the yagudo drink and astral flow wore off.

Lost to Ramuh because my third carby got paralyzed so my second Searing Light failed.

But my third fight went quite well and I only used one potion and one ether. So now I got Garuda in a little bottle. ^^

Off to fight some more tonight...

Thanks again.
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#159 Jan 05 2005 at 8:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Quick Note :

You only need FAME 2 in every place to get to fight them !!!
#160 Jan 05 2005 at 11:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Had the Paralyze problem with Ramuh today , he paralyzed me , so I got ****** off and hit the attack button. Next thing I know I am slashing away at Ramuh with 2 daggers , and he is getting nervous , I do a Searing Light and he has half his HP left . Everytime my HP goes down 100 points , I use another Hi Potion .
My TP hits 100% , I use Gust slash and his Hp is about 25% , form there he was history !!!! SUB NINJA it works the best !!!!
I tried to use Searing Light again , but my 2 hour must have wore off .
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#161 Jan 06 2005 at 6:30 PM Rating: Decent
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JohnnyTheBronze wrote:
SUB NINJA it works the best !!!!


The thought had crossed my mind. Dual Hermit Wand to summon and then switch to dual weapons to melee. Too bad Utsusemi:Ichi is level 12. But if that was usable, it would probably make the mini-fights boring. I am a Taru, so I prefer not to melee since I have less HP and STR, so I never tried melee subs.

The battles are really fun right now as SMN/WHM so I let myself get killed by Titan during the end just so I can fight him again without having to walk there.
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#162 Jan 06 2005 at 9:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Hello, I just wanna post up a video of myself fighting Levithan. Hopefully it will help people who are having trouble. The procedure is basically the same for all the aeon battles, so if you're having troublem, don't give up because you'll get them eventually. Good Luck ^_^

http://s13.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3VMRH1KX0V6P30SM0U7W0BYD15

(there's a limit on how many people can d/l. So when it expires I'll try to post more links. If you can host these videos somewhere, it would be greatly appericated ^_^)

Edited, Thu Jan 6 21:31:12 2005 by PhilmoreDuck
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#163 Jan 08 2005 at 4:14 PM Rating: Decent
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lest so far i have lost all my avatar battles my last 2 have ****** me off the most. these were shiva and ifrit. i have followed the strat. to letter. Now on these last two battles carby has failed his 3rd searing light strike. like he just stops and he is right next to shiva or ifrit. my 2hour hasn;t worn off yet infact it doesn't wear off for another 30 secounds. so needless to say i get killed. I have become most unpleased with this, can ne1 tell me whats wrong?
#164 Jan 10 2005 at 5:44 PM Rating: Decent
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huanthewolf wrote:
Now on these last two battles carby has failed his 3rd searing light strike. like he just stops and he is right next to shiva or ifrit.

With Shiva, Carby might have been paralyzed by her Ice Spikes but you should see "Carbuncle is paralyzed".

Try doing this: Release Carby when you are safely away. Resummon Carby. Walk up to the avatar and stand next to the avatar (real close) and wait for Carby to catch up. Then do Searing Light.

Because if you AND Carby are not standing close enough to the avatar and Carby does not have enough hate, your Searing Light command will draw enough hate so that avatar will move towards you. Doing so will cause Carby to lose targeting and waste the Searing Light.

But if you have a fresh Carby, there is little chance for it to be paralyzed. And if you are standing close enough, it doesn't matter who has hate, the avatar will only turn and won't move.

Also make sure the avatar is not doing any special attacks before you do the Searing Light to avoid Carby or you being killed first. If they do, then run/release/resummon/move in close.
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#165 Jan 10 2005 at 6:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Awesome guide. It helped me defeat some of the avatars so far. This should be stickied. Thanks so much Thiefcat XD
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#166 Jan 11 2005 at 11:47 PM Rating: Decent
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I went in for my second round with Ramuh just a few moments ago. Everything was going wonderful, I hit my second Searing light and started running. Next thing I know Carby is gone and I get hit with judgment bolt. I ran tried to get the rat but back but I took a step >_< spell interupted. Ramuh is beatin me down. I got carby back up but it was to late crit hit with after shock and im down for the count. I hate Judgement bolt with a passion Ramuh 2 GWH 0.
#167 Jan 12 2005 at 12:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah...on of my attempts before I beat him, I lost to Ramuh because of Judgement Bolt. Hang in there, you'll get him soon. There is a little amount of luck involved with these fights.

If Carby is gone and my HP is in orange, I use my hi-potion first before I summon. I lost that particular Jugdement Bolt fight because I thought my HP was fine to summon and wham...I'm dead when I was about done casting.
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#168 Jan 12 2005 at 10:38 AM Rating: Decent
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Ya, it is pain. But its a great fight, I love the thrill of the hunt
#169 Jan 17 2005 at 11:58 PM Rating: Good
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This is a great guide. With your help I've gained 4 new summons in less than 24 hours.

Thanks again.
#170 Jan 18 2005 at 12:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Such a comprehensive guide indeed.

I currently obtained Titan, Ifrit and Garuda.
But I fought Garuda at 10pm Singapore Time. And Japanese Time 12am is Singapore time 11pm. I tried again and 12am Singapore time (when my 2hr is back) and yes, I got to fight Garuda again. ^^

Try also switching avatars to fight when you failed 1, when your 2 hr is restored, you should try going to other cities to fight other avatars. Saves alot of time.

My next target is Shiva and then Ramuh before I head to Leviathan at Norg.

Anyone can roughly tell me how I can get to Norg with the safest possible route? I only can depend on my 31WHM for Sneak and Invisible.. lolz!

My scores so far:
Titan 0 - 1 Xtremex (got it!)
Shiva 1 - 0 Xtremex (/sigh)
Garuda 2 - 1 Xtremex (got it!)
Ifrit 0 - 1 Xtremex (got it!)
Ramuh 0 - 0 Xtremex (fighting soon)
Leviathan 0 - 0 Xtremex (fighting soon)

Edited, Tue Jan 18 00:54:58 2005 by extremex
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#171 Jan 18 2005 at 12:49 AM Rating: Decent
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By the way, can i increase fame in Jeuno for Norg?
I am not very sure abt my fame in Norg, will check it in Jeuno based on the Rice Ball price but how do I gauge it?

Any other simplier ways to increase Norg fame before I leave for Norg?
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#172 Jan 18 2005 at 3:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Leviathan fight was still locked for me at 168 riceball. I turned in my Tenshodo Invite and did 5 zinc ores quests (turned in 20 ores total) after that and that was more than enough fame to unlocked it. I think 166 riceball is enough.

I beat Leviathan (my last mini-avatar) on first try ^^ on Earthsday. The fight was nice because I didn't need to use any regen drinks or potions. By the time I had enough fame, I was already level 25 and hence have Aerial Armor.

The easiest way to increase your Norg fame is either trade 4 zinc ores to Port Bastok NPC (basement of warehouse 2) or trade 4 yagudo necklaces to Windurst Woods NPC (NE corner).

You can either farm the necklaces or mine the zinc ores yourself. You can also buy them from AH and bazaars. I paid a LSmate to mine for me at 2500 per 8 ores since he mines frequently. I like the Bastok quest more because I can also solo worms in the tunnel or do Bernie runs while I am there.
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#173 Jan 18 2005 at 7:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Its been a while since I posted. I wanted to say thanks again, I guess the old saying third time is a charm really does work. FOr my third time on ramuh I won. The only pain is Judgement bolt nearly took me out again. but I ran down used my hp potion started to cast. took a step bad cast. ramuh hit second cast bad. got angry third cast went ouff I engaged and started swinging got carby out did the searing light. I was at 50 hp and ramuh was in mid swing to kill me when he fell over.

So luck I was. Now im headin to levi tonight. Now to take down the water god and I am set
#174 Jan 18 2005 at 9:14 PM Rating: Decent
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WHY IS FAME SO IMPORTANT? It's only a matter of a few quests. Just go outside (usually just into the first area outside a major town), kill a few monsters to get stuff, then bring it back in! Trade it! Voila! Oh, and btw, a GREAT way to get fame is to do the "Missing Item" Airship quests! You only have to pay a one-time fee of 200 gil, and although it may take a while, it's worth the wait. That's how i got Windurstian fame~i only have 3 fame >.<

Also, I've heard rumors about Odin and Bahamut being new summons in the upcoming (waaay in the future) expansion pack. I've already got movies of a few new spells...will update in the near future

Either way, GREAT guide! I was:

(Wins/Losses)

Ifrit: 0/3
Leviathan: 0/2
Ramuh: 0/1 (me too chicken to fight him again)
Titan: 1/1
Garuda: 0/4
Shiva: 0/9 << owch
Fenrir: 0/0 (lol, not for a LOOONG time)

Now it's:
Ifrit: 1/3
Leviathan: 1/2
Ramuh: 0/1 (still too chicken)
Titan: 1/1
Garuda: 1/4
Shiva: still 0/9, me verrrry chicken
Fenrir: still 0/0

{Thank you.} {Thank you.} {Thank you.} {Thank you.} {Thank you.} and so on...
I just read about the physical earrings/armor-will try for Ramuh and Shiva. Overall, great guide, rate up, up, up, the sky's the limit!
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#175 Jan 19 2005 at 6:40 AM Rating: Decent
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hmm Falko, so I just needs to turn in 20 zinc ores to get sufficient fame?
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#176 Jan 19 2005 at 8:59 AM Rating: Good
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Quick update.

Using this guide, I was able to obtain all 6 level 20 avatars within 48 hours. Shiva gave me some trouble (went 1/2 because I absolutely underestimated her). All the rest I was 1/1.

Ramuh was also challenging, but using your Ramuh section proved effective. I took more hits than usual, but with the hi-potions I brought along, it was easy.

Just a note: if you can, find a high level SMN to give you buffs as well. Blink and Stoneskin (Aerial Armor and Earthen Wand) can be very important in these fights. They could really be the difference between life and death.

And the coolest thing I saw: a high level SMN was actually waiting next to the Leviathan Protocrystal after I warped. He offered me stoneskin and cheered me on. It was great.
#177 Jan 19 2005 at 12:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Just had to say THANK YOU. I did my first avatar battle (Leviathan) went just like u said. Killed it in 4 min. and 3 sec. And i c what u mean about getting snaged on the edge wow. stared to freak me about for a sec. But pulled it togeather and killed it. So thank you very much.
#178 Jan 19 2005 at 1:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Gratz on your first avatar. This guide is great, I just finished last night on Levi no Hi potion needed A armor saved me from tail whip so it was a great fight. Now for the big bad wolf when I get whm to par ^_^
#179 Jan 19 2005 at 7:37 PM Rating: Decent
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extremex wrote:
hmm Falko, so I just needs to turn in 20 zinc ores to get sufficient fame?

I checked last night. My fame was 166 riceball. That was what it was when I went to fight Leviathan since I haven't done any quests after that.

I had done a few yagudo necklaces quests and 1 zinc ores quest prior in order to obtain the NIN and SAM quests.

So just do enough until your riceball price is 166. It might work at 167 or 168, I don't know cuz I didn't try. But I know it didn't work when mine was at 169. I just did enough so that hopefully I wouldn't go to Norg for nothing. I need to get more fame anyways in order to get my NIN scrolls so might as well.
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#180 Jan 23 2005 at 11:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Sorry im new at the SMN job but in your origanal post you say to "trade" the forks to the NPC. My forks are Key Items, I cant trade them. So what do I do? Just talk to the NPC again as a SMN?
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#181 Jan 24 2005 at 12:48 AM Rating: Decent
This guide is sweet. I got all the avatars in 2 days. One thing to add. I used pear au laits at beginning of battle. I only had to use Hi potions on Ramuh (2 houred) and Garuda when one of my Searing lights misfired.

In total I lost three battles. One wasn't a mini fight... (Don't play till the late hours of the night and click the crystal instead of trading fork ><)

This is a sound guide. There is some luck involved, but I feel like I can win every batle 95% of the time using these strategies. Thanks Thiefcat!


Now to get 65+ to get Fenrir.... ><
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You can only get the mini-forks when you talk to the NPC as SMN. The mini-forks are actual rare-ex ITEMS that you trade to both the same NPC and to the crystals. Not a complete trade however because you get the mini-forks back after trading.

Edited, Mon Jan 24 15:25:16 2005 by Falkorich
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#183 Jan 27 2005 at 7:19 AM Rating: Decent
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I know it is nice to be prepared, but for any cheapskates like myself out there, it is definitely possible to do these fights with the bare minimum in foods. I used Fish Mithkabobs/Boiled Crabs, whichever was cheaper, and 2 Melon Drinks per fight. I brought 2 Hi-Potions for safety but after the first 2 fights I never needed anymore and sold them at the end. I did not touch any instant MP drinks.

Same method as described here, except slightly different positioning. First SL near the "Crack", second one farther down, at which point I'd run up near the "Nest" and wait for the 3rd. I think I only got resisted on SL perhaps once in all the fights. Titan was my first, and after dying to him a few times I got the timing down pat and the rest were a breeze. Just follow the same pattern of MP and timing, and use your good judgement. I've done the Mini's and the regulars, and I can attest that these are a lot more exhilirating! Fenrir might change that though ^^.
#184 Feb 23 2005 at 10:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Bumping for all you new SMNs. ^^
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#185 Feb 28 2005 at 10:13 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd just like to toss in my thanks for this awesome guide. I was able to beat all the avs with your help Thiefcat.

Heres my score:

Titan: 1/0
Garuda: 1/0
Ifrit: 1/0
Ramuh: 1/0
Leviathan: 1/1 (Would've been 1/0, but I lost my head and forgot to use an ether after the first Searing Light. ^^;;)
Shiva: 1/1 (This was a tough fight. More than all the other solo avatars Shiva knows exactly when to use her 2h to ***** you up. I won this battle with 38 hp and NO hi-potions left meleeing the last few seconds.)

Important things I feel should be mentioned:

ALWAYS go into an av fight with a decently powerful staff. I recommend a Holly Pole. Make a macro to switch from your Hermit's Wand to the Pole when you start to melee, if you do. (The macro is: /equip Main "Holly pole" ) My third Searing only killed 2 of the avs I fought, the rest ended with melee. If I hadn't brought that Holly pole into my Shiva fight, she'd have slaughted me at the end.
Banish is all well and good, but I've only had 2 banishes go off for more than 15 hp damage in an Av fight, and using a Holly pole is worth a good 10 points each hit.

Keep a cool head. This is absolute in an avatar fight. Doesn't matter how well prepared you are, if you don't have a cool head on your shoulders, then you'll mess up and die. Just take a deep breath before you cast Carbuncle in front of "The Crack" and keep your strategy in mind. Do this and you have a vastly lower chance of losing.

I used the equipment recommended here, but in case you're curious this is what I went in with:
4x High Potions (5 for Ramuh. Used every one of em. I'd recommend bringing in 6 at least for each battle, if you can afford it.)

3x Yagudo Drink (Generally I only used 1 in combat. For Shiva and Ramuh though, don't wait till the Drink wears off to recharge. Use another one after the 2nd Searing. You'll probably need it.)

3x Ethers/Hi-Ethers (I used Hi-Ethers for most of my battles, but only because Ethers are apparently rare on the AH for Bismarck. I do NOT reccommend you use Hi-ethers. They take way too long. Go and buy some Ethers for 5k from the infirmary in Upper Jeuno if you have to. Only use Hi-ethers if you absolutely have no choice. I'd also reccommend you use 4x ethers or hi-ethers. I couldn't afford to, but there were times I wished I had.)

12x Boiled Crab (Ended up with 4 left over. Boiled Crayfish works as well. I couldn't really tell a huge difference, but I imagine it made one even if I couldn't see it.)

Hermit's Rod
Holly Pole
Black Robe
Scentless Armlets
2x Physical Earrings (INVEST IN THESE. Shiva would have killed me without the extra hp.)
Windurst Ring
Saintly Ring (I never healed myself in battle. This was just something I threw on. It's not really important.)
Black Slacks
Light Solea (Honestly I didn't see that evasion helped me much. I don' t recall ever seeing the Avatars miss me, not even once.)
Heki (SP?) Obi +1
Cape +1
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That's what I used to win. But whatever equip you're using, remember that a cool head is the most vital thing of all. If you panic when something screws up, then you're already dead. Just suck it up and think real quick of your next step.

Also, allow for some of your own strategy. Don't follow Thiefcat's or anyone elses to the letter. Make some leeway as you see you need to. This will help when something goes wrong that's not listed in the guide, you'll be able to react more naturally.

The guide is freaking excellent Thiefcat, and I commend you and all the others before/after you who added to the strategy.

Edited, Mon Feb 28 22:14:54 2005 by MagicWeaponZill
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#186 Mar 02 2005 at 1:10 PM Rating: Decent
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The guide is great.. have taken many, mnay, many notes on what to bring, wear, and how to actually fight in these battles. I was just wondering one thing thou, I know i'm still a noob at this game, but is this lvl capped or can you be lvl 20+ to fight in the solo battles.. Is lvl 20 just the desired lvl to get them at???

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#187 Mar 02 2005 at 5:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Fashnek wrote:
...but is this lvl capped or can you be lvl 20+ to fight in the solo battles.. Is lvl 20 just the desired lvl to get them at???


The mini-avatar battles are lvl 20 capped. This means that you can enter less than or more than 20 but will be temporarily reduced to lvl 20 if you are over lvl 20.

And to maximize your chance of winning, it is best to be at least lvl 20.
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#188 Mar 03 2005 at 8:17 AM Rating: Default
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JEEZ!!

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4x High Potions (5 for Ramuh. Used every one of em. I'd recommend bringing in 6 at least for each battle, if you can afford it.)

3x Yagudo Drink (Generally I only used 1 in combat. For Shiva and Ramuh though, don't wait till the Drink wears off to recharge. Use another one after the 2nd Searing. You'll probably need it.)

3x Ethers/Hi-Ethers (I used Hi-Ethers for most of my battles, but only because Ethers are apparently rare on the AH for Bismarck. I do NOT reccommend you use Hi-ethers. They take way too long. Go and buy some Ethers for 5k from the infirmary in Upper Jeuno if you have to. Only use Hi-ethers if you absolutely have no choice. I'd also reccommend you use 4x ethers or hi-ethers. I couldn't afford to, but there were times I wished I had.)

12x Boiled Crab (Ended up with 4 left over. Boiled Crayfish works as well. I couldn't really tell a huge difference, but I imagine it made one even if I couldn't see it.)



WAAAAY to mutch MONEY! AND WAAAY TO MANY ITEMS!


I went with

3 Hi-Potions
2 Yag drinks
2 Ethers

and i won 1/0 all of them

Also..

Physical earings are good but not needed,

I went with..

Holly pole
RYL FTM's tunic
Slacks
Holly clogs
x2 Saintly rings
Heko obi
Cape
linen cuffs

those things are good to have, but not really needed..

When i fought Titan, i had to wait till My MP refreshed to 15 so i can cast banish to finish him off, While i was waiting he was pummeling me to **** and i still lived and won. I had no boiled crabs, No Pear au lait, no nothing. AND i fought him on earths day.
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#189 Mar 03 2005 at 12:28 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm glad you got lucky with your fight. Wish I had gotten lucky enough to not have spent enough.
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#190 Mar 04 2005 at 8:37 AM Rating: Decent
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A great guide, and it does work (I tried it against Shiva on my second "revenge" go at her for making the first time difficult...), though from my experience I say that people really should only follow this guide if you're going for a speed record, and if you're confident on what you're doing. Many people in my LS have tried and failed at this method cos a lot of things have gone wrong.

Though it takes double the time, I think the safest method is the 2 SL method - and perfect if you're just doin the battles to bag yourself an avatar. I've been using this method, and it hasn't failed me once. I will post my own personal guide (and vids as soon as I get a host) on it pretty soon. Only problem I had with it was against Shiva, and that was because of blind panic. Still got her on my first go though.
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#191 Mar 04 2005 at 1:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Finally got my last avatar last night, Leviathan.

That brings my attempts to:

Ramuh: 3 (Losses due to paralysis)
Shiva: 3 (Losses to Diamond Dust and Blizzard II)
Titan: 2 (Losses to SL being resisted, twice)
Ifrit: 1
Leviathan: 1
Garuda: 1

Each time, I used a yagudo drink, 2 ether/hi-ether (ethers sell out a lot) and a fish kabob. My equipment? Complete crap. I was wearing a kingdom aketon (Def:1) for crying out loud. :) Protect III/Shell III from wife's WHM before going.

I think I ended up spending about 120-140k gil for all the avatar fights combined.

Searing Light was resisted a total of 5 times in all the fights put together, and I always fought the avatars on their 'weak' days. I never had the chance to fight on Lightsday.
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#192 Mar 09 2005 at 12:22 AM Rating: Decent
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Thank jeebus being a mage isn't my main job, I woulda quit by now >.<

0/3 on Ramuh so far. I'm finding out stupid things I do each time, but its getting very frustrating.

Thanks for the guide though Theifcat. I'm still doing 10000x better than I would be doing if I didn't read the guide.

--A 99% Career Melee that just wants Ramuh--
#193 Mar 13 2005 at 8:34 AM Rating: Decent
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Just a little lesson i learnt and want to share.

1st Use Hi-Potion!
Don't be a cheapstake like me to use Potion >.< Because of this i lost my 1st battle with Titan. I also panic and keep drinking Potion which aggro Titan >.<

2nd Ask for Protect and Shell
Having Protect IV and Shell IV makes a huge different. Garuda was like doing peanuts damage to me 5-6. While without, Titan due like about 10-40 damage... can't remember clearly.

3rd Check you have all your stuff!
I lost my fight with Garuda partly because i forgot to bring Ether!! >.< Still i managed 2 searing light and almost defeat Garuda, if not for me standing next to Garuda stupidly (/slap myself) waiting for my mp to fill. Garuda use her ?spell, kill of my Carby and half my hp. And i wasn't able to cast Carby after that.
Well, you can guess the result.

Today i noticed something with my battle with Shiva. Before Shiva uses the Diamond Dust >.< you will see the red colored lines 'shooting' out from her body just like when your Carby uses it's 2hr. Well, i'm sure this is nothing new, except that the red lines stayed for so long that i didn't think Shiva was going to do anything special... but after i got another SL off again, just a few steps later, Diamond Dust...
My poor Carby die, my hp is red, but managed to get Carby out again, but Shiva simply wants to keep hitting me :( my Carby can't get enough hate...
I'm just wonder what i did wrong this time /sigh

Titan 1/2
Garuda 0/1
Shiva 0/1


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#194 Mar 14 2005 at 1:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Just wondering how many Yagudo Bead Necklace's it takes to get enough fame in Norg to get the Leviathan battle???
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#195 Apr 04 2005 at 7:08 PM Rating: Decent
Fist off i like to say that this was the key part to my success with the battles... At the time I have Titan, Garuda, Ifirit, and Shiva...(Bought to go fight Ramuh) and the only fight I lost was the Shiva Prime battle because I didn't sub right...

Which brings me to my next point... now this may sound weird but I have found that my key to success other than this guide was subbing Paladin... (I know sounds crazy right?) I hadn't lvled up my whm so i wasn't gonna bother... I had spent time getting to lvl 20 and i wanted these **** avatars NOW! Well i thought... hmmm Pld has banish and I knew that was a key part of warding of failure if searing light didn't hit full power for one of the 3 blows...
Well after subbing pld i noticed the perks for the battles...

1. a few extra HP and a little bit extra defense
2. the Defense Bonus job trait which is definatley nice ^^
3. Banish spell
4. ummm... pld's kick ***!

Now my success rate with pld sub is 3 for 3 (I used rdm sub on titan before i discovered this) Anyone else try this yet? Well I hope this helps any future smn's with the battle.

update... got all my avatars XD and am still undefeated with pld sub...

Edited, Tue Apr 12 03:11:59 2005 by HaliardTehGreat
#196 Apr 10 2005 at 9:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Your guide actually helps alot, i almost beat titan last night if it had not been for earthen fury he would have been mine.
Thank alot for the great tips :)
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#197 Apr 18 2005 at 3:20 PM Rating: Decent
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Someone might have posted this already, but 4 pages is too many to look through. Anyway in your walkthrough you said,

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1) You can only fight the Prime once every 24 hours.
---People say you can fight the Prime again as long as the servers in Japan get reset wich is midnight Japanese time. I find this to be false. I tried this twice, once with Titan and once with Garuda and I was unable to refight them until 24 hours had passed.


Maybe they changed it in a recent update but last night i fought shiva at 3:00 am pacific time, and then when i woke up at 11:30 am i fought her again, that is only 8 and a half hours.. i think.. i hope ;) anyways, thanks for the great guide im sure it will help me out a lot!
#198 Apr 18 2005 at 4:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Japan is 15 hours ahead right now (we're on daylight saving right now otherwise it will be 16 hours), so 3:00am PDT is 6:00pm JP Time. The servers are reset at 12:00am JP Time, which is 9:00am PDT. This is why you were able to refight at 11:30am PDT, 2.5 hours after the reset.

Other people have been posting for a long time that it worked for them too. So that quote you posted was probably from eons ago.

So technically, you can finish fighting an avatar anywhere between 7:00-8:59am PDT and be able to fight the same avatar when you 2-hour is ready.

Edited, Mon Apr 18 17:58:35 2005 by Falkorich
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#199 May 03 2005 at 2:08 AM Rating: Decent
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I used a slightly different macro system for ease, thought it might help, I've posted this to other threads too, if you've already read it feel free to skip.

Well, after a dozen or so tries I'm suddenly having a whole lot of success. When I tried to figure out why, I realized that knowing how the fight would go wasn't enough, the key was in the macros, so i'll tell you what I'm using, maybe it will help somebody else out there, I know it's made all the difference for me.

First, I should say that I have subscribed to the "crack" method, and is the basis for my first casting of Carbuncle. Outside the crystal I cast Aquaveil, and use a fish mithkabob. I then enter the crystal, and run to the "crack", where I use my first macro:
/ma "Carbuncle" <me>

When Carbuncle attacks the avatar I then cast my second macro which I have named "Start":
/item "Yagudo Drink" <me>
/wait 5
/ja "Astral Flow" <me>
/wait 5
/pet "Searing Light" <bt>

Doing the two macros here assures me that carbuncle has engaged the avatar, and that I am not in danger. It also assures the quickest use of the first searing light so I can get off three before my yag drink or 2 hour wear off.
After Carbuncle has jumped in the air, I take off for the other side. When I reach the other side, and Carb has been defeated, I cast my next macro, "Carb2":
/ma "Carbuncle" <me>
/wait 7
/item "Ether" <me>

You may wonder why I didn't tack a searing light on here. It's because the time between summons varies. The avatar can take longer at times to kill Carb, so this gives the flexibility of the trigger in my own hands. Of very special note, I had trouble timing the second and third searing lights, but finally figured it to be when carb had been recasted, my ether had kicked in and my mp reached 55. That represents exactly one minute (2 mp/3 sec=40mp/min regenerated. Include -5 mp for casting Carb, then add 20 for ether= 55 mp). When it reaches 55 I use my "Sear" macro:
/pet "Searing Light" <bt>

After getting off my second sear I return to the top, and recast Carb2, followed by Sear. The only other advice I have is to make sure you have stopped running before hitting "carb2". Too many times I lost a fight I should have won because I made that mistake. Other than those specifics I have nothing else to add, the rest of this post has been uber-helpful. Hope this makes things that much easier. Good luck!!

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#200 May 09 2005 at 11:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Quote:
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I fought everyone of the above on their weak day (Except Ramuh) and let me tell you, Garuda hit me for 124 dmg with Aero II on her weak day. I don't know if that was her max on her NON weak day, but I will be damned if I am gonna find out.


Hallihallo

Well, I don't know whats the damage from garuda on a normal
day either but for everyone that want to know the damage
of that Attack on windsday it is around 244 with Shell 1.

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PS.:Lesson learned: Don't be too lazy to look at the day you fight the avatar. XD
#201 May 28 2005 at 2:22 AM Rating: Decent
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days do matter trust me.

get some elemental resist gear it really helps.

this guide helped beat my first fight ramuh since everyone says he is the hardest i'm not worried about the others
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