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#52 Aug 19 2004 at 7:00 AM Rating: Decent
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Although no one can prove exactly what Fame level is required to aquire the Level 20 Mini Tuning Fork Avatar Battles, please note I was able to aquire them with the LOWEST possible version of Fame 2.

Maybe you can too. =P

Edited, Thu Aug 19 08:00:50 2004 by Thiefcat
#53 Aug 19 2004 at 8:28 AM Rating: Good
I didn't notice what level fame I had in San d'Oria or Bastok (though I'm a hero in Windurst), but I grow lots of corn and turn it in to the guy in Selbina for fame in both. I also took the time to do that horrible clay tablet quest. (Three more tablets, and I get the map!)

Now, I just want to get back to the topic at hand, and mention another tip about the avatar battles:

If you miss a Searing Light - I don't mean having it resisted; I mean completely miss it - don't waste your medicines to delay the inevitable. Just let Carbuncle do his thing until your MP is gone, and then hold out your arms and let the avatar wail on you.


Let's consider the cost of each fight. I'm using Seraph server prices, but yours should be similar.

1 Boiled Crab - 800g
1 Pear au Lait - 400g
1 Yagudo Drink - 1400g
2 Ether - 1200g
2 Hi-Potion - 1500g

Total Cost - 8000g

If you're like me, you bring extra Ethers and Hi-Potions just in case your timing goes off slightly.

Last night, I went to fight Ifrit with 4 Hi-Potions and 3 Ethers in my inventory. I was extremely excited because Ifrit is probably my favorite avatar (save for Bahamut, but he's not around... yet...), got the fork, got buffed, ate some crab and milk (yum, yum) and did the Protocrystal thing for the fourth time. Up until this point, I had gone 1/1 with all the avatars I attempted, and my most recent battle was absolutely beautiful in its perfection, so I thought I was pretty hot stuff.

Now, I had decided to skip dinner because Watersday was approaching, and I figured I'd grab a bite after I fought the Jolly Red Giant. Hunger does strange things to you; watch a Snickers commercial if you don't believe me. And during the second Searing Light, I made a stupid mistake and took a step to the left for no reason. Carby didn't do his Searing Light, and the Blood Pact timer reset. I knew I was done for.

I got off the last Searing Light, the Yagudo Drink wore off, Astral Flow wore off, and I used my emergency Ether. Ifrit had between 10%-15% of his HP when I ran out of MP, so I did what any idiot would have done: I whipped out my Hermit's Wand and engaged.

It was the most pathetic sight I'd ever seen. I used Instant Reraise (because it was in my inventory for some strange reason). I downed Hi-Potions whenever my HP hit the red. I managed to get Ifrit down to practically nothing on his health bar before he killed me, after having used all my Hi-Potions. Then, I revived myself, and he nailed me with a Double Punch to finish the job.

Now, had I just admitted defeat at the failure of the Searing Light, I wouldn't have blown 7200g worth of medicine. If you have only one emergency Ether and no extra Yagudo Drinks, you've got a tough road ahead of you, especially if you're a Taru. If I had just cashed in my chips, I could have saved those excess potions and paid 3800g for my next fight (replacing the food and an Ether) instead of 8000g to replace everything.

That's all I wanted to say. Half the reason I made this post was because I wanted to share my story about the idiotic fight with Ifrit, and the rest was to hopefully stop people from making the same mistakes I made.


#54 Aug 19 2004 at 8:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Good Story Master Artwokay.

I know exaclty what your talking about. The first time I fought Ramuh I used 5 Hi-Potions and 4 Ethers for nothing. Once I missed the First Searing Light (remember carby was paralyzed) I should have conceded the loss and welcomed my death with open arms. But stupid me though if I spammed Hi-Potions and Ethers that I could win. What a waste of money that was. I guess I made it up the second time I fought Ramuh when I only used 1 Hi-Potion and 2 Ethers.

And with the hermit's wand...LMAO I did the same thing with Garuda I think. Thats why in my guide I said its useless and that your better off casting Banish for a good 25-35 dmg if you still have MP.

So yes we all do the same thing during these fights.

A) If your going to lose DO NOT waste money on items.
B) Forget melee, I don't care what anyone says. My staff and club skills were maxed at lvl 20 and they did nothing against the avatars.

Edited, Thu Aug 19 09:44:09 2004 by Thiefcat
#55 Aug 19 2004 at 10:08 AM Rating: Default
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Dont feel bad. I think we've all been in that situation at some time on our SMNs life. I did that same mistake several times. Its just that when you are a bout to win... u rather "give it a try" then wait to have your reward (Avatar) until the next day.

But yes... if one of you Searing ligjhts misses... its better to bow at the Avatar and let yourself die
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#56 Aug 20 2004 at 7:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Well I have gotten a few responses in game about my guide being helpfull and just wanted you guys to know, I am glad if I helped anyone.

My intention for this guide was to help people obtain their lvl 20 avatars and even though we have gotten in a few disagreements here in the thread, I think the overall responce has been possative.

If anyone needs further help here or in game, just let me know. I will be glad to offer any knowledge I can.
#57 Aug 20 2004 at 11:46 AM Rating: Good
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B) Forget melee, I don't care what anyone says. My staff and club skills were maxed at lvl 20 and they did nothing against the avatars.

Don't forget it, just don't rely on it. When I was out of MP, Astral Flow wore off, and Shiva was nearly dead, I whipped out my staff and said "DIE BEAST!" and... missed. But on the next swing, I hit for 4 damage and WON!

I count that win more as luck than skill though. :)
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#58 Aug 20 2004 at 11:54 AM Rating: Decent
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LOL to that ^

Like I said I tried it once and it was a waste. I wasted time engaging and waiting to swing hoping I would connect. If I had just used banish I would have one that one. But like you siad, you were out of MP at that point without an ether your only alternative is A)WHip out that staff or club and cross your fingers or B)Concede

Oh well, to each is own I guess

Edited, Fri Aug 20 12:55:39 2004 by Thiefcat
#59 Aug 20 2004 at 2:53 PM Rating: Default
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Hi Thiefcat,

I joined this site becuz i just defeated Leviathan and Garuda Thanks to your info and wanted to say Thank You!^^

Before i read your guide...I lost 5 Avatar battles:(
My problems were not Waiting on Carby to jump during SL and not getting far enough away afterwards...common when one

But anyways, Thank you! The info is greatly useful...i have a few friends that are just now doing the Smn quest, i'll point them to your guide when they wanna get the avatars^^

You can tell me how to play my game...once you start paying for it!-Zuriel-60/rdm 33/blm/25smn/17whm/10/sam-Ragnarok
#60 Aug 20 2004 at 8:31 PM Rating: Decent
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1) Cyndane? Hmm... Sorry, but I never heard that name before.

WoT RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Great guide rate up.
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#61 Aug 21 2004 at 3:44 AM Rating: Default
hi my name is shawnh . have all the avatars but 2.leviathan and ramuh. use ninja as sun for all of them so far.use whm for ramuh.use 2 hermat wands.had +13 to eva.won ifrit 2 time.won gardua 2 time.won shiva 4 time.won titan 6 time:(.won ifrit dient get hurt at the thrad alout. won moast ferst time mad mistkes like warping on acdent before finishing gardua.useing posion nales intead last light.not using hi-potion before last light on ifrit.did the same thing as he sed above.looken perfect the fight.all them use yag at the bend.and cast carb. get cloase to have carb attack. get c use 2h and light one run when carb in air. hafe way use ether. than run some more.cast carb agan.gte c use light far use ether.cast carb agan.get c use light 3.they uslay die had finish 2 my selfe using my 2 wands.what beter whay and chepest whay to win.won a figth had 2h used and 2 spell.good luck
shawn harden
#62 Aug 22 2004 at 2:13 PM Rating: Default
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Just beat Ramuh like 2 minutes ago, now all I have left is Garuda for the lvl 20 battles.

I have this to say, Theifcat your Ramuh guide frigging ownz. I had tried this guy 2 times before, so this time I searched around the net for a better guide than the one I had been using. I found yours, and man, did it ever work. Not only did I beat Ramuh with less dificulty than any of the other avatars I had fought (except maybe Leviathian, I set the new record on the Bismarck server (3 minutes 31 seconds, not that great I know, but still set the record).

Like some others, I was extremely lucky in that I timed Carbuncle just right so that only I was paralyzed. Then paralyna worked on the first try.

Though due to my luck, I didnt have to follow your strategy to the T. However, I never would of had that luck had I not read your guide.

Very very good work, and heres a rate up!

..Now its off to Rabao for me, hopefully I can end these lvl 20 battles today =(

Edited, Sun Aug 22 15:18:16 2004 by TidgonX
#63 Aug 23 2004 at 7:22 AM Rating: Decent
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Congrats to everyone who won against their avatar battles. I am glad I could help. Its people like you that make me want to keep playing the game. I love helping others and if I come up with anything else, I will post it for you guys.

Good luck to everyone
#64 Aug 23 2004 at 9:42 AM Rating: Default
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Once again.. you should post this on my webiste! :)
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#65 Aug 23 2004 at 11:36 AM Rating: Decent
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#66 Aug 23 2004 at 2:58 PM Rating: Default
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Just got my first battled avatar last night (Shiva). Thanks for the guide. Although, I had to fight her 3 times, due to my errors. I forgot to drink Yagudo Drink the first battle, and second battle, my second Searling Light did not go off. Both times, I was unable to keep the hates off of me. In addition to that, I blew up so much gil on the preps. Like someone said earlier, if you know you're going to lose, don't use up all of the materials.

Anyway, the third battle, I did not have to use hi-potion at all. I used boiled crab and pear au lait, and buffed up before i traded the fork. When I was inside, the only things I used up were 2 ethers and 1 yagudo drink. As long as you can stay as far away as possible after the searling lights went off (have ur carby distract avatar at all times), your hp regen should be long enough to keep your health bar near full.
#67 Aug 25 2004 at 7:09 AM Rating: Decent
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I guess as long as people keep sending me tells about how this has helped them, I am gonna bump it once in awhile so new Smn's get a chance to see it.

Sorry if this annoys anyone =P
#68 Aug 26 2004 at 9:35 PM Rating: Default
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This is my first post ever on Allakhazam! I just wanted to tell Thiefcat that his guide was very helpful.

Specifically three points:

1) Don't panic.
2) Use Banish.
3) Use Ethers, not Hi-Ethers

I'd lost six times in a row against various avatars and was just about to give up summoner because of this. Then I read this guide, thought about it what I'd done, and then decided to use Ethers instead of Hi-Ethers, move as far as possible from the Avatar when Carbuncle's fighting it (from crack to crystal and back again), and RELAX.

Then I beat Titan. Lost to Shiva, then beat Ifrit and Ramuh.

Titan went like clockwork, exactly how the guide worked. I lost versus Shiva because I didn't notice when the Yagudo drink ran out and lost Carbuncle after the third Searing Light. Without mp, I tried to melee, but that didn't work. Only a sliver of health, and I lost.

But then I beat Ifrit and Ramuh. I had to kill Ramuh with Banish. I could get a third Searing Light off due to him killing Carbuncle off with Thunder II, but managed to evade him long enough to get Carby out again to whittle his hp down. Once his HP was down far enough, I casted Banish and killed him.

By far the best advice was 'Don't panic.' Remembering this allowed me to kill Ramuh even though it looked like I'd lose.

Thanks for your guide.

#69 Aug 28 2004 at 7:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm am unsure whether or not anyone has stated this, but I will just in case: Could it be that one of you is counting from fame 0 and the other counting from fame 1? Thus, after two lv completions of fame, one sees "fame 2" and the other "fame 3"???
#70 Aug 29 2004 at 2:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Woo hoo! just got shiva ^^

Just wanted to say thanx to Thiefcat for the guide. Thanx also to all those other guides out there,, etc. After a lot of reading and many practice runs, Shiva is mine!

I must say, for all those summoners who have yet to do their first avatar battle, I suggest going in a couple times and just seeing what it's like. Don't use any items, don't plan on winning, just go in and perhaps melee with carbuncle for awhile and shoot off a searing light before you're out of mp. Doing so helped a lot (for me at least) when the time came for the final battle. You'll have a better feel for how things are laid out, how long you can last if the avatar aggros you, how long carbuncle will be alive, etc.

I ended up using 2 ethers, 1 hi-potion, and 1 yagudo drink.
Hermit's wand
Fortune Egg
Compound eye circlet
justice badge
onyx earringx2
priest's robe
scentless armlets
san d'orian ring
amber ring
cotton cape
friar's rope
black slacks
light soleas
(82 def before buffs, 20+2 vit)
Had boiled crab, but forgot to use it ^^;; However, I am elvaan, so perhaps the extra def wasn't as vital. Took 4 minutes, 11 seconds on firesday.

Alas I am poor now, so it may be awhile before I attempt other avatars... should also probably get back to lvling my pld ^^

anyhow good luck to all and thanx for reading this, needed to spread my joy ^^
#71 Aug 30 2004 at 11:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Yo Thiefcat, finally I got Shiva, Titan and Garuda! Im so happy /dance.

Guys, please higlight on Thiefcat Guide on Avatar Battle Guide on part : Start your fight from the crack, I guarantee you 100% it will give u more chance on winning.

Before I read this guide, I used to start fight on the nest part. What did I got? Lost. I only won Ifrit, and the rest are loosing on many battles and ditch my 140k gil on them.

I actually won the ramuh on the second battle by start fighting him on crack spot, didnt come to my mind that this is the right spot to start the battle until I read Thiefcat guide, which is the same start as I did on wining Ramuh.

Most fight I won was on third searing Light, except battle against Garuda. My first SL did 230 damage on her, second SL did 51 damage only (holy crap!), third SL did 210 damage but that was not enough on finishing her, made me think what did I do wrong on SL her, on the final battle minutes I cast carbuncle to attack her, when my carbuncle defeated by her, I decided to engage her with my crappy damage hermit's wand hehe, than i came to my mind why dont I use Banish?

Thats it! yeah and I casted Banish on her for the first time did about 27 damage, but not enough to finish her, and I tried to cast banish for the second time when it said I have to wait longer to use banish, still I dont give up on her, I casted my second banish did 25 damage to her, Yay! I won her!

The key is not to be panic. I lost for 8 times but they gave me good lessons, and made me become more calm on the next battle.
Fighting on Lightsday is a key too, cuz on that day, Carbuncle power will be doubled, tho I beat Ramuh on his weakday: Earthsday.

I still got no Leviathan tho, still working on my Norg Fame by turning in Yagudo Necklace, hopefully on Leviathan battle I can do the same thing as I did on previous battles.

Good luck on your avatar battle guys. Thiefcat avatar battle guide is really helpful, Thanks Thiefcat!

#72 Sep 02 2004 at 1:51 AM Rating: Good
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I have a story to tell and gonna keep it as short as possible (right) so you understand the drama behind SMN...
First off Thiefcats guide helped me alot in my avatar battles so far..GJ
And you are very pleasent to talk to and party with in Kazham!

#1 Titan - ran out of ethers and mp at the end not even enough to cast banish so i pulled out my Yew wand+1 and beat him caveman style. He Died with a one hit wonder. so does that make me one of the best Meleeing SMN's? lol
#2 Shiva - well no contest, i destroyed her
#3 Garuda - After losing to her the night before i was very discouraged about fighting her but, i wanted her that bad. thx to the rdm that pro & shelled a little Taru fellow SMN, we both defeated her that night.. and met at the Protocrystal for a Celebration casting of Garuda...
#4 Ifrit - well he's a SOB now isn't he? after 3 loses on his weak day i went after him on lightsday today, and Carby knocked him down with the 3rd Searing Light.
Now the good part:
I fought Ramuh 2 times and died and thought "what a cheater...."
after the second fight i was pretty down on the game, having lost to him twice and Ifrit 3 times already. so I sat in Lower Jeuno on the stairs to the mog house and thought about cancelling this game and going back to beating teams on NCAA Football 2005 83 to 0...But then my LS buddies, maybe not intentionally, decided to help me with the rank mission i needed, and it was just the kinda thing that makes you understand why people play this game. It was enough inspiration to atleast get me out of Jeuno and into a new Atmosphere.
we ended up goofing around in Windy and never got around to doing the mission but thats ok, i needed the laughs.
Today i logged in and warped straight to Jeuno and beat the crap out of Ifrit.. then finished the mission i needed, then stayed in windy.
I thought in my head, I am going to beat this SOB Ramuh tonight and kept saying it over and over..
Lightningsday hit and i temped back into game and headed to Mhuara. Got there at break of day where another High lvl RDM hooked me up, i'll call him the "Paines-man", Thx again
Off i go to fight the Cheater...
*eat my Boiled Carb
*run to crack and cast carby
*Now i'm poisoned so i tell Carby to assault and give me time to move to crystal
*cast Paralanya. it worked thank god
*Carby dies,
*recast carby
*Ether up
*Astral Flow-1st Searing Light and run like **** to the top
half way there Carby eats dirt because my mp ran out- scary
*recast carb, after 2 tries he gets out and it's on again
*ether again to get enough for second searing light
and Hi potion
*well i look up and I'm bound which is a good thing because i had 15 seconds left for bloodpact
*it wears and mp is up and whoohoo 2nd Searing Light
*down a HiEther and a HiPotion because i knew it would come in handy and ran like **** but which way? i was in the to the top i go...
*Carby dies and i only had my Yagudo drink which i forgot to use (probably because of nerves) and a few HiPotions left
well... i knew i had no chance of getting Carby out again
*Ran like **** all over the place when my MP hit 15 i cast Banish and run again
*going back down in the middle my mp hits 15 again..Banish
*got to bottm and hp was low - HiPotion
*cast banish and Ramuh interupts, i'm crapping myself at this point
*recast Banish and it's good...
he's now down to very little life and i'm out of every thing but my yagudo drink that is Building up MP for what seemed to be an eternity

*he hits me
*cast Banish and C-YA you SOB!!!!
Cutscene plays and after not even paying attention, i look down at status - 42 HP's and 0 MP left
To say that Ramuh is different well he is very different, Judgement Bolt makes sure that you better be very far away or hope for a miracle like mine to get Carby back out...
Sorry I'm not the best story teller but i think you can grasp what i mean by the Drama of being a SMN
now for Leviathan and Fenrir, yay!!!!
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#73 Sep 02 2004 at 7:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Good story. Its nice to hear stories of people's adventures and especilally the avatar battles. Way to go beating Ifrit and Ramuh, don't forget to drink your Yag drink in the beginning next

See You soon.
#74 Sep 07 2004 at 12:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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Great guide Thiefcat,

Your guide has helped me to beat the avatars with ease. I have not read all the comments but there's one thing you did not include in your guide, which I think is very critical. It is also the one and only factor that caused me to lose some of the battles. That factor is, the avatar 2-hour.

The avatars likely seem to use their 2-hour right after the 2nd searing light, which can kill carbuncle instantly and prevents you from having enough time to run to distance to recast carbuncle. This does not always happen and yes, it does depend on luck as you mentioned. But it's nice to note to people so that they can expect it and not panic.

If it happens, depending on how much HP you have after you got hit by the 2hr, you should either drink potion or recast carbuncle and pray that it does not get interrupted (+evasion and aquaiveil come very useful here). Once carbuncle is out then you can proceed to normal cycle.

Note that my summonning skill is only 36 (far far from cap), so that is probably the reason why my carbuncle often gets killed instantly after the 2-hr. I just want to confirm that it can be done with such low summonning skill as long as you know what to expect.

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#75 Sep 07 2004 at 1:27 PM Rating: Default
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The reason I never mentioned anything about the Prime's 2 hour abilities, cause in all honestly it was not a problem for me in the least. In fact I don't think I even noticed any of them. So unfortuantly I can not add anything to the guide that I did not experience. Not saying they didn't happen, just saying it didn't have a big enough effect on my battles to warrant noticing

Also, apparently according to SE your smn skill effects the interuption rate of your avatars. I guess thats why I never had more then one interuption while casting carby during all the battles. Since mine was capped I guess I was always able to cast him. Thats why I say your first priority IMO is to cast carby. Get him out so that he can hold off the prime so you can drink ethers or potions or run like ****

Glad I was able to help you, and enjoy your new pets.
#76 Sep 09 2004 at 7:41 AM Rating: Default
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Bumping my guide again,

Because I keep reading posts about how to fight the avatars and the poster says something like I read all the guides but was wondering which food to bring.

Every guide listed here tells you what to bring. Either you can't read well or YOU REALLY DIDN'T READ ALL THE GUIDES.

Sorry, bad day today.
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