Thiefcat's Guide to Lvl 20 Avatar Fights.Follow

I can confirm that logging off with Astral Flow in effect will reset your 2hr but you will keep the effect for whatever time still remained on the clock.

I did this last night. I showed someone my Ifrit Inferno then I logged out. Today I logged in and still had Astral Flow available. I then checked my 2hr and it was at 0:00.

I guess this still works. Funny how I just saw this last night.

Fame level:
level 1 fame -->0-10 quest
level 2 fame -->10-20 quest
level 3 fame -->20-30 quest
level 4 fame -->30-50 quest
level 5 fame -->50-70 quest
level 6 fame -->70-90 quest
level 7 fame -->90-110 quest
level 8 fame -->110-140 quest
level 9 fame -->1400+ quest

this are the number of quest that need to be done to raise fame. repeated quest still raise fame and i believe that it raises it faster do a repeated quest for a npc and your fame will go up faster, as i only did about repeated quest in sandy and i got fame level 2. But in bastok i need 9 non repeated quest and i still didn't get fame level 2, so is up to you to choose.

No more Fame discussions.....lol

Seriously, untill SE releases information specifically stating how fame is counted and such, it will remain a debate. The only thing I got out of the whole fame debate was maybe there differences in how much level fame 2 you have. Using the above post as an example.

Fame 2 (10-20 quests)
If you do 10 quests maybe you actually have something like fame 2.1 and if you do 19 quests maybe you have fame 2.8. Then maybe fame 2.8 will allow you to aquire the avatar quest where maybe fame 2.1 will not.

This is all hypothetical and the numbers are just examples, but other then the above (if it were true), I know that Fame 2 will get you the quest.

It does not take 20 quests plain and simple to get fame 2!!!!

I only did 2 quests and 8 treant bulb quests and I received fame 2 in Bastok...so therefore

IT DOES NOT take 20 quests.

No, just check your SMN Magic list, you'll find Ifrit there if you havn't defeated him before.

This is such a great guide I just had to BUMP it. Thanks to a lot of Theifcat's advice (and a little of my own luck) I have all the Avatatrs except Fenrir.

Keep up the good work Theifcat

I've gotten Shiva so far...

Now I'm 0-3 on Titan. Last night.. his first attack (before Carby even engaged) stunned both Carby and I. I should have waited to cast SL... but didn't realize I was stunned. So, I got to the bottom... realized I had 15 seconds left and ran for the top to cast Carby again. As soon as Carby was summoned... he got Stone IIed.

I called 'defeat' and let Titan beat me down instead of wasting any more potions..

I have level 0 (thats ZERO) Tenshodo/norg fame (npc in norg gives me the 3 line essay on building trust because ive done NO norg fame quests. As long as i use a SUMMONER with at least lvl 20 as my MAIN JOB, I get the leviathan mini fork quest. I fought all the avatars without doing fame quests first. I have dragged new summoners kicking and screaming to norg who dont have any fame just to see if they could get it with no fame and so far every single one of them has, and further have confirmed for me that 0 fame gets them the ramuh battle (windy fame) in mhaura, and the Shiva battle in sandy as well. Now unfortunately you have to do at least kazham keys quests to get ifrit quest (windy- kazham fame) so its not definitely 0.0 fame there... but go off and try it for yourself and see. Make SURE you have your main job as summoner and that youre above lvl 20 and go try the npc for the quest. I'm fairly sure that despite the popular opinion that the lvl 20 battles are all ZERO fame.

Just Curious.

Why don't we follow Thiefcat's guide but start every fight like when we fight Ramuh? That way Carby can melee 1 round before we Fire 3 SL which will increase the chance that avatar will die in the 3rd SL.

Now I have a question. Will carby hit harder & have more defense when AF is activated? If yes then It's worth it to use the AF&logout strategy.

Thank you ^_^

I had to chime in on this guide. I decided to do Summoner kinda as a side thing. I was working on some other adv. jobs when I said why not and started fighting leeches, eventually getting my ruby. Then I began to process of leveling up, just to get to level 20 and get the avatars.

As of now I am 1 avatar away from completing my task. My first fight I tried the 3SL method on the Summoner info site. Well I panicked and lost to Shiva, I forgot to do something dumb like drink an Ether.

Then I saw the video posted with the 2SL method. I fought Titan, Garuda, and Ramuh and lost. 2 hours later I take down Ifrit and Shiva and Titan soon follow. Then I was stuck for a couple of days, the 2SL method wasn't working as the 2 hours kept killing me.

Then I read this guide, although I'm not sure how I missed it. This morning I fought Leviathan using this method, smooth as a baby's bottom. Then this afternoon I fought Ramuh, starting casting at the crack (I had been at the bend and Assualting). Thunderspark went off right away and Paralyzes me, fortunately Carbuncle popped out and started meleeing. I run down to the crystal, thinking I should wait. Carby dies and I start casting, then realizing I need paralyna. Fails once, start mashing Carby, paralyze wears off in the middle Ramuh starts wailing away but Carby comes right on out. I fire off my Searing Light and run like hell. To make a long story short, I get the second SL off, Ramuh hits me with Thunder II, I get rthe second SL off down a hi-potion, I see Ramuh ready Judgement Bolt, the reason he beat me twice before... it does 160, I down another potion, cast Carby, fire SL, D-E-A-D. /cheer

For me what made the biggest difference was equipment. I had whm as a sub, and let me tell you this equipment is almost right on and cost me a fraction of what I had already spent on lost battles. Buy the equipment, get your HP up as high as possible. My HP was around 300 allowing me more time to use that hi-potion or cast another Carbuncle.

GREAT guide! What has been said is spot on, and for the record, my fame was "2" for all battles.

just one question,

WHY THE HELL HASN'T THIS BEEN STICKIED YET???

by god man, everyone wants advice on the mini battles, and everyone here on the forum says this is the best guide,

SO FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, PUT THIS ON STICKY!!!!

Congratz on the great post/guide!

While leveling my SMN I read through your guide a couple times to help prepare for the upcomming battles. Needless to say, I found the information extremely helpful. *thumbs up* I recorded the battles I did today using fraps, as soon as I can find a decent free webhost, Ill post a link to the movies. I was originaly going to fight Ifrit first, but got held up and couldnt fight during watersday. So instead I took on Shiva first, then Ramuh; I won both times with ease^^

Edited, Wed Nov 3 06:29:14 2004 by Golulu

Thanks for this guide, it's very helpful.

I'm having a frustrating problem with Titan though and I'm seriously about to lose my freakin mind.

I've fought the stupid guy for 3 times and he keeps binding me at the beginning of the battle. So then my astral flow gets all messed up. Okay, so I run up and cast carby for the first time, astral flow - SL. He binds me. By the time I can run off carby is dead so I have to recast right there. After that I run back to the crystal, but Titan is still following me. Carby dies, I recast and run off. Carby and Titan fight for a bit and then RIGHT before Carby dies, like one hit before he's gone, the stupid dumb #@*& turns around and already starts walking up the path for me. So then he gets up to me and Carby catches up to him. He pummels Carby and I try to recast but he's beating the crap out of me, Astral Flow is gone by now and I'm preparing to gnaw on rock.

This is REALLY starting to *tries to take a deep breath* Okay this is really really angering me and I'm by no means rich and I'm sick of wasting my money. What do I do. Someone please help me. I don't have the patience for this. -_-

Yeah, I probably should've mentioned that I'm using all the buffs I can and doing it on Windsday.

I've fought both Shiva and Ifrit using this methond and I had no problem at all. Got them both on the first try. I've also tried Ramuh, but had problems casting paralyna on myself. Not enough fame for Leviathan or Garuda yet.

I don't know what's going on. I wish I knew why he's doing this to me. I try to do everything I can to keep the hate off me. I'm going to try to fight him again in about 15 minutes. -_-

Does anyone know if there's any specific action that will trigger him to do this to me?

I think he hates me, lol. I just went in for him again and the same thing happened.

This time I was going to wait and use Astral Flow until after the bind had worn off. I was thinking that maybe I could pull it off like you have to do with Shockstrike and Ramuh. Well, by the time I was unbound Carby was dead and I was trying to recast while being smacked around. Got interrupted a few times and then finally pulled it off. I waited until Carby had pretty good hate and then 2hrd-SL and ran down to the crystal. Then I try to continue like a normal battle but I noticed my yag drink had worn off. I didn't have any more on me. ;_; I don't think having one would've helped anyway. So I used an Ether and Hi-Ether. Summoned Carby and SL'ed again. Ran to the nest. I only had one ether left so I used it. Carby dies, I resummon and Titan comes again. Astral Flow is gone so my only choice is to beat him with my stick. So Carby and I just melee. For a minute there I thought I might win. I think if I would've had a couple more potions then it would've happened, but I only had 2 on me and I had already used them.

It was messy. I'm sick of doing this. I'm wasting so much freaking money. I hate Titan.

Does anyone know what they say for lvl 2 fame in Norg? And does trading the 4 yag necklaces to the cat burglar raise Tenshyodo and Windy fame?
I have traded so many yag Necklaces that its making me ill...
And the guy in Norg said he knows my name now but I still cant get the Leviathen Quest. So maybe I just reached fame lvl 1 there.
Leviathen is the last avatar I have to get besides Fenrir.But I need the fame and you guys seem to know alot about fame.
And the guide R0Xor0s me Sox0rs :D

I have never done any runs for Selbina :( Ima trade in like 80 more necklaces and see wat that does. If that doesnt do it I'm done with it for awhile its driven my crazy.

i keep losing to ifrit >< i brought 5 Hi-potions and Ethers 2 yag drinks and a boiled crab (summon skill = 40). i bought shield earing and rings that give me +fire elemental resistence. i wait on my buffs and usually i get protect and shell 3 or 4, plus barfira if im lucky. everything works great until i get to the second carby summon. i'll summon, carby will intercept near the crystal while i SL and run. but i only get half way there before carby dies! i emediatly stop and summon followed by and ether, but either...

a) ifrit will reach me first and inturupt my casting (even with a hermit wand and aquaveil). when this happens i dont move and try to recast carby while keeping my hp up with my remaining hi-potions (which hasnt worked yet...)

~or~

b) ifrit will 2Hr me or use Fire II on carbuncle, killing him instantly. when this happens i do the exact same thing as in (a) i stay calm, stand there and try to cast.

does anyone have any pointers?

mind if i add a few things?
I scanned and didnt see most of these ideas. but I mighta over looked em. Here is how I did it.
Physical Earing X2: Convert 25 MP to HP.
Wild Cudgel: +20 HP -20 MP
Priests Robe: 14 Def.
Bonze's Circlet: 7 Def and a few MP
Light Solea: Evasion Bonus
Friars Rope: 2 Def +5 MP
Scentless Armlets: Evasion bonus
Black Silk Neckerchief: 2 Def.
Mist Silk Cape: 3 Def
And a subbed MNK. Wich made a huge difference!
4 Hi-Potions
3 Hi-Ethers (cheaper then Ethers)
1 Boiled Crab
3 Yagudo Drinks.
Protect 3 Shell 2
I was lvl 30 when i started these battles because i leveled SMN for sub with static so i didnt stress Avatars yet. Now i have em and am happy, and being level 30, i am able to use Aerial Armor before i go in, wich really helps too. I wish you all the best of luck on this. Have fun and enjoy Summoner!!!

Edited, Fri Nov 19 16:55:37 2004 by Zakster

Just a bump to the one of the best guides out there, and the way that has helped me to get my avatars (Finally got the last one tonight! Thanks Theifcat!)

Bump^

And I would like to reiterate the quest to have this stickied. It is a moral imperative.

Edited, Mon Nov 29 05:47:01 2004 by Starwrangler

Hey Thiefcat-

Lost to Leviathan twice in a row after going 5/6 on other avatar battles- I got titan 1/2, and all the others on the first try. This time, Leviathan cast his 2 hr and prevented my third SL from going off. How do you suggest I go about fighting Leviathan any differently than the other battles? I've tried both the standard technique and the Ramuh technique with waiting on SL til second time carby attacks. Thanks!

Ramuh 4:08...7 seconds away from record of 4:01 on my server. all of that thanks to this great guide! thanks!

Your guide worked great although I died my first time on Ramuh (That was my fault) I beat Shiva my first time though

Items:
4x Hi-Potion
4x Ether
1x Boiled Crab
1x Yagudo Drink

Other than Armor Defense:
Protect 1

Equipment
Main Weapon:
- Hermit's Wand
Secondary Weapon:
- None
Ranged:
- None
Ammo:
- None
Head:
- None
Neck:
- Bloodbead Amulet
Earring 1:
- Physical Earring
Earring 2:
- Physical Earring
Body:
- Black Tunic
Hands:
- Scentless Armlet's
Ring 1:
- Stamina Ring
Ring 2:
- Stamina Ring
Back:
- Cotton Cape
Waist:
- Heko Obi +1
Legs:
- Black Slacks
Feet:
- Light Soleas

Day Fought On:
- Watersday

I had no problem at all using your method! Hope I can do just aswell against the other Primes while using your method! :)

Edited, Tue Dec 7 05:02:53 2004 by mattch

Well, I've lost to Ramuh, Ifrit and Garuda now, but man has it been close. Haven't tried banish yet, but I'm going to now, before the update. This needs a STICKY, its a great guide. My first SL on Garuda hit for 51 ><. With Ifrit the SL wouldn't go off before carby died. Ugh, I know odds are I will lose but I'm just keeping at it until i get em. Thanks for this thread Thief.

Not really sure what to say here, so I'm going to just blatantly parrot everyone else and say "Thanks for the guide" ^^ Currently, I've only tried one avatar fight (Leviathan) so far, and got my arse handed to me; Leviathan did his 2hr, I didn't run far enough away and my HP went into the orange, I fxxked up and spammed my Hi-Potion macro instead of trying to recast Carby like I SHOULD have, and got slapped down :/ Currently waiting for Waterday so I can take a shot at Ifrit, but I think this guide will be a big help ^^

Anyway, the {tool}{Summoner} is shutting up now