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#1 Apr 04 2014 at 9:20 PM Rating: Good
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So I put together a parts list.

And by "put together" I mean I took the cheapest-but-similarly-rated parts from different build lists from the last week or so on Toms Hardware.

I figure my upgrade schedule would be to add another 8 gb RAM, toss in a second HDD to have it as a back-up, and eventually change out that i3 for an i7?

The one thing I'm worried about is the potential space issue for the GPU...

So? Thoughts?
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I would grab an SSD for your main drive and leave that TB drive for data. I would also look at at least a 650 watt PSU.
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For most purposes, there's no reason to go above an i7 or 8GB of RAM. The primary difference between an i5 and an i7 is hyperthreading and very few games support it (although heavy utilities like video editing do) and most programs won't strain 8GB. Now if you're planning on doing a lot of heavy video editing and the like then that's different.

Kao will grouse about the Radeon card but I've been very happy with my 7950.
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That GPU will fit in that case. I wouldn't reccommend that case particularily though, but it will work. The case is the one piece of your computer that you will likely reuse, so it pays to get a good one. The power supply will be adequate, but undersized if you are planning on adding extra drives or other such expansion down the line. See if there is a 650 watt you like to give yourself some upgrade room. Radeon drivers are a pain in the *** to maintain compared to nvidia ones, but go with what you are used to. That motherboard is a piece of junk, get an Asus motherboard, you will be much happier in the long run. You can live with an I3 initially, an I5 shouldn't be too much more if you want the additional cores.

I'd second getting a SSD if your budget would allow it. They are magical speed enhancement devices.
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If I don't go for the Radeon 270, the price point competitor is the Nvidia GTX 660, yes? Thing is, the benches all look worse for it (8-10 lower in everything), and it's more expensive. That seems like a big performance hit... If I was stepping up to the next budget range, I'd grab a GTX 660 ti or the 770.

I don't have any brand loyalty when it comes to cards, so I'll probably stick with the Radeon.

As for the SSD, the idea is to just toss the OS on it, yes? Or should I partition off part of it to be used for my core games, too? Just trying to see what space range I need to be looking at for pricing...

I'm willing to spend more on the case, I'm just having difficulty finding one I like. Smiley: lol

Rosewill 80+ Gold 650w PSU with solid reviews for $75? Alrighty then. Anyone heard anything terrible about Rosewill, or have a vendetta against non-modular PSUs?

Still looking at mobos...
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Okay, how this this?

It's slightly more than I wanted to spend, but I think I'm willing to do it if it's worth the cost (say, the better case/PSU).

Also, for a few bucks more I could step up to a 750w Gold PSU that's modular. Worth the upgrade?
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Man, I need to upgrade my CPU. The Phenom II X4 955 was a nice budget CPU at the time, but I'm ready for something a bit better.

Oh, and I've had a 7970 since June, and have had zero issues with it.

Edited, Apr 5th 2014 11:23am by Spoonless
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Redditors and folks over at Toms Hardware seem to really like the GTX 760...

So right now I'm mostly torn between whether or not I want to just shell out $20 more for that card or not, because I'm having trouble finding benchmarks that actually compare the 270 against the 760.

The one other hangup I have is whether or not I should just toss out $40-50 more now for a quad core i5, and just not have to think about upgrading for that much longer...

Gah. **** PC building and the fact that there's always another upgrade just tens of dollars later. Smiley: lol
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Okay, how this this?

It's slightly more than I wanted to spend, but I think I'm willing to do it if it's worth the cost (say, the better case/PSU).

Also, for a few bucks more I could step up to a 750w Gold PSU that's modular. Worth the upgrade?

The 660 GTX has one major fatal flaw. It doesn't have the full 256 memory pipes that it should have. It only has 128. That means it really can't utilize all the bandwidth it has available. The card should be much faster than it is.

Rosewill is Newegg's generic no name piece of junk hardware brand. Avoid anything critical by them.

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Redditors and folks over at Toms Hardware seem to really like the GTX 760...

So right now I'm mostly torn between whether or not I want to just shell out $20 more for that card or not, because I'm having trouble finding benchmarks that actually compare the 270 against the 760.

The one other hangup I have is whether or not I should just toss out $40-50 more now for a quad core i5, and just not have to think about upgrading for that much longer...

Gah. **** PC building and the fact that there's always another upgrade just tens of dollars later. Smiley: lol


760 GTX is a good card. That Seasonic power supply is also a much better manufacturer than the rosewill one, so even though the rosewill one should be theoretically adequate if you aren't ever planning on running a second video card in linked mode, the seasonic would be a better choice.

The motherboard is better. Gigabyte makes good stuff. I'd still pick an Asus over it personally but I have no major issues with them either and I have used them when an asus board was not available.

The CPU upgrade is probably worth it if you factor in the time it takes to swap out a CPU. You're pulling the case out, blowing the dust out, pulling the cpu fan, cleaning the surface, pulling the cpu, putting the new one back in, adding the case fan back in, re-plugging everything in, etc. Is the time to do that worth more to you than the cost of the higher end CPU?
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#10 Apr 05 2014 at 12:23 PM Rating: Good
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More build shenanigans.

I upped the CPU and switched to the GTX 770. The PSU was actually switched out to a lower wattage. Which isn't an issue right now, at least, because the MOBO doesn't support SLI anyway. The cheapest I'm seeing SLI boards are still like $140, so that upgrade probably isn't happening in this build.

It looks like it's a choice between the i5 and a larger PSU, unless anyone can spot better cuts elsewhere in the build.

[EDIT]

I suppose I should point out that Crossfire-ready boards are available at this price point, if that affects feelings about the Radeon card... I don't have any specific plans to add in a second card, but all upgrades are going to be evaluated next to how the rig is performing... It might just be worth it to take the cheaper MOBO now and upgrade to an SLI board whenever I hit the point where I'm looking into that option.

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Side note, I wasn't including a monitor in the budget, but I am buying one. There seems to be a decently reviewed Acer on sale for 110 on Amazon. Does anyone have strong opinions about going for 23" over 21.5"?

Edited, Apr 5th 2014 2:27pm by idiggory
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the wider monitor is going to give you additional height as well. I find the 21 inch widescreens to be too short for my tastes.

Radeon cards hardwarewise are ok. Its just the drivers I really have an issue with. That and the Nvidia higher end ones tend to be faster.

I just bought my second 780 GTX Ti though for the main computer so I may be biased in that regard.

XFX makes decent power supplies, no issues there if you aren't planning on any expansion. Look at the minimum wattage requirements for your video card choice though and remember that doesn't include wattage allocations for any additional hard drives or perephrial cards. I'd still reccommend at least a 600 watt to be safe.
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I really like 23" monitors. It doesn't sound like that small of a size disparity makes a difference, but it really does in my opinion. Also, if you didn't notice, that Acer is DVI and VGA inputs only, so make sure you get the appropriate cable for it if you do get it. I fell into the trap of just thinking everything was HDMI when I bought my last monitor that I couldn't use it for a couple days because I had to order a DVI cable. Smiley: lol Well, also I had thought I ordered the same model as I already had, but apparently it was a slightly different one and didn't have all the inputs my existing screen had.

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Hmmm, idea from someone on the Build a PC subreddit in order to more easily future proof.

Go for a cheap, 450 (bronze certified) PSU now in order to upgrade to an SLI-ready card, and then just move to upgrade the PSU down the road since that'll be easier than switching out the CPU or Mobo.

There are 500w bronze PSUs up for $30 (Corsair) $35 (EVGA)...

That... makes sense, right?
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#14 Apr 05 2014 at 2:33 PM Rating: Good
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If I go for the SLI mobo option, there's this Asus (3/5 stars on Newegg), MSI (4/5 stars), and Gigabyte (4/5).

I'm inclined to go for the MSI, but I know nothing about the brand. But it had quite a few reviews with that 4/5 average.

[EDIT]

This one (MSI) is $20 cheaper...

Edited, Apr 5th 2014 4:35pm by idiggory
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Do you really plan to go SLI later? I find my card more than meets my needs at present. If it ever didn't, I'd probably just upgrade the one card rather than but a second of the same. Game consolization left a large gap between tech and actual graphics that has yet to be filled.
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I definitely don't plan to do so; I'll just make the upgrades as they make sense as I need them.

I figure having SLI as an option makes sense, if it's not really going to hurt my rig now. If I don't need to add another card, my PSU will probably be fine for whatever I upgrade to. If I add another card, I'll need a new PSU, but I won't need a new MOBO.

Or maybe it doesn't make sense at all, I dunno, I'm a chronic overthinker.
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Hmmm, idea from someone on the Build a PC subreddit in order to more easily future proof.

Go for a cheap, 450 (bronze certified) PSU now in order to upgrade to an SLI-ready card, and then just move to upgrade the PSU down the road since that'll be easier than switching out the CPU or Mobo.

There are 500w bronze PSUs up for $30 (Corsair) $35 (EVGA)...

That... makes sense, right?



Not if you are going to buy a video card with a 525 watt minimum power requirement.

Going small on the power supply never makes sense.
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The joys of partslists, somehow that one $20 upgrade always manages to turn into $200.
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So should I just go ahead and pull the trigger on the last build I linked?

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And how long do people think an i3 would last? 2 years? Less than that?

[EDIT]

Or maybe the better question is how much longer the i5 would last.

Edited, Apr 5th 2014 8:20pm by idiggory
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I'M NOT GOOD WITH DECISIONS. Smiley: oyvey
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Just tossing in two things:

- I lurv my GTX 770
- The Rosewill PSU I had is what crapped out as soon as I installed my GTX 770

Otherwise what Kao said.
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A redditor pointed out I actually COULD get a 770 in my budget, but it would require dropping down to the first mobo I linked (ASRock), dropping to this case, and this PSU.

But I'm thinking the system would be loud, and the case probably wouldn't be awesome?

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All you really need from a case is for it to be as anonymous as possible as there aren't many good looking ones.
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This is the one in my build list now.

$30 less, $40 less.
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I would never even consider getting one of those Zalman cases, it's like they're trying to make them as ugly as possible.
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I really, really like the look of the Fractal case...

Right now, depending on my CPU/GPU choices, I'm looking at anywhere from $640 to $820.

I'm probably going to fight my inner-optimizer and head back down to the lower end of that budget range. There's always a case for why spending $40 more is a good idea. So while having a 770 and a quad core are appealing, I don't really think I need them. I mean, I'm not going to be playing BF4 on ultra settings...

I think I'm going to behave and go for the i3 and the 670...
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You really want a cooler master CM690-III or a Cooler Master HAF case.
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Why is that?
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because they are easier on the knuckles when assembling computers, have very large and very quiet fans, are mainly tool less for assembly requirting only a screwdriver and a pair of scissors, all the cables are pre-sleeved, they come with good fans, and the metal quality of the case will last along time without issue if you move them a lot.
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I don't have a ton of case advice except to pick a mid-sized or better. Trying to build a system in a small case was annoying as **** plus there's zero cable management opportunities in the thing. My mid-sized case is much more pleasant to work in.

Of course, read the buyer reviews and see what they have to say about airflow and work room. And I suppose cable management is less of a worry without a side window although a kraken of wires can still ***** with your airflow.
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Those are some nice cases. I'll have to add them to a NewEgg wishlist so I remember when I upgrade my box.
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Working a few miles from a Newegg warehouse has its perks. My order is already ready for pick-up. Smiley: lol

Then I just need the prime order to come in. Same-day delivery isn't terribly uncommon with Amazon in NJ, so it's possible I could have all my parts today for orders yesterday, and no shipping costs.

NJ may not have many perks, but shipping is one that is generally in our favor.
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You have/remembered an OS, I hope Smiley: wink2
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In theory that's covered. Grabbed it from software swap subreddit. If it doesn't work, I can get win 8 for cheap from work.
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It lives, IT LIIIIIIIVES!

And I think I managed to get it living without busting any parts, which is a small miracle.

My cable management is a train wreck... but it's about as good as it's gonna get atm. OS is installing now. Smiley: grin
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Congo Ratulations! Now you can upgrade it!
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Okay, so, help?

Last night, I shut the computer down normally after installing some drivers (was on for an hour, max). Today, it won't turn on.

Was hoping it was an issue with the case, but when I go to short the power button leads...

AND NEVERMIND, the 20 clip had slipped out of the mobo slightly. It purrs, again. Smiley: grin
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My cable management is a train wreck... but it's about as good as it's gonna get atm.

Benefits of a windowless case Smiley: laugh
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Right?

I may pick up some extenders or something at some point, because I'm not entirely comfortable with some of the wiring just from a utility standpoint. But it's acceptable for the moment.
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I have a non-modular PSU, and man did they want to make sure there were enough connections for everything you could possibly want, and then probably double that amount. I can't even hide them behind the mobo. Smiley: lol
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Mine is semi-modular. Next time, I'm paying for a fullly modular PSU.
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Mine is semi-modular. Next time, I'm paying for a fullly modular PSU.

As long as everything except the 20 pin is modular you're set. The 20 pin is kind of required.

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The 20 pin and the 6 pin were both connected to the PSU. It then had 4 pin and sata modular options. I just don't particularly like the structure of those cables.
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Since this is a build thread, below is the list I'm ordering today or tomorrow (as soon as my stupid client pays up, he's 3 weeks late already). The only thing I'm still debating is getting the regular PSU vs the exact same one but modular for €8.01 ($11.11) more.

The case has room behind the motherboard for cables and stuff so it's not like spare cables are going to get in the way much or anything. Also upgrade plans for the machine are a second 770 and another set of ram later on this year as well as some soundcard/external amplifier stuff to turn it into a stereo.







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http://azerty.nl/winkelmandje/winkelmandje/?legen=1&product[549886]=1&product[540449]=1&product[568285]=1&product[635645]=1&product[653070]=1&product[258095]=1&product[652391]=1&product[558883]=1&product[620113]=1&product[634347]=1


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I feel like $11 is a small price to pay for going modular.
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#47 Apr 10 2014 at 12:19 PM Rating: Good
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The choice was made for me because the modular one was at 10+ days delivery time.
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#48 Apr 10 2014 at 1:11 PM Rating: Good
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Awwww, womp. I was able to pick up my PSU the day I ordered it from Newegg, because their warehouse is like an 18 minute drive from my work (with heavy traffic).

Had to wait two days from my prime shipping, though. :(
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#49 Apr 10 2014 at 1:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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You can make your other one "modular" with a good pair of pruning shears (going the other way might be trickier)
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I'll have to wait 2-3 work days because they didn't have the GPU, mobo and some other parts in stock (but those were in stock at their suppliers), the modular PSU was not in stock with their supplier so time is basically an unknown on that one, I'd rather deal with some cables.


I'm just praying for a Saturday delivery now.
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#51 Apr 10 2014 at 3:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Looks good. Only two things I'd mention is that the Case comes with fans in it, and the CPU comes with an adequate CPU cooler so you may not need those components. Good choice on the SSD and the rest of it.

You definitly wanted the modular power supply though.
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