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#1 Nov 30 2013 at 9:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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I've tried to be patient. I've tried to give Windows 8.1 a fair shake.

Ever since I installed it earlier this week, I've been drowning in constant BSODs (with no consistent error message) and total system lockups.

I'm so frustrated that I think I am going to do a complete system refresh. I'm quite annoyed that only "Windows Store" apps are kept installed and the actual programs I use on a daily basis will be blown away in the process because that's not what they promised us a year ago, but whatever.

If this system refresh fails me, I'm going back to Windows 7.

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Windows 8.1 is still a horrible user interface. tey knew what they needed to do to make it a success, and they did not do those things. What happens next to microsoft they brought upon themselves, and the computer world as a whole will be a poorer place for it when we are all locked into restrictive operating systems that don't allow the freedom we need to innovate and the only alternative will be half polished half abandoned desktop linux variants.
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I don't even care about the interface. I just want my computer to do the most basic things expected of it, like not crash when I'm trying to unzip a file or view Facebook. I'm getting a lockup and a bluescreen (or just a lockup with no bluescreen) a dozen times a day. It's absolutely awful.

Now I'm running into problems where Windows refresh says my installation media for Windows 8 isn't valid (what? how did I install it the first time...?) and my product key isn't valid (because Microsoft is a schoolyard bully.) So I can't use my old installation media to do a refresh, nor can I make a new one.

FINE! **** YOU MICROSOFT! I'll install Win 8 from scratch! Smiley: bah
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I cannot believe they do not have an option to just blow away your existing windows partition and start from scratch. Who was the genius who left out that basic option that was available on all previous installations of Windows?

So I tried loading my trusty old Windows XP disk, and got blue screens of death there too. I'm going to try Windows 7 next.

This thing really is like a virus, doing everything in its power to stop you from getting rid of it. I am soooooooooo ****** off right now.
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Even DBAN has failed me. I just don't understand.
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Since I apparently am permanently stuck with Windows 8.1 until I get my media center PC rebuilt and I can load the SSD as a secondary hard drive and destroy the data that way - and that isn't going to happen for at least a week - I've given up for the night. I've just uninstalled any program that was probably superfluous and also anything I know I wouldn't need, in the vain hopes that it was one of them causing the program.

Seriously though, whyyyyyy don't they give me the option to format and start from scratch on the Windows 8 disk? Why? Why why why? Smiley: cry
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#7 Dec 01 2013 at 1:52 AM Rating: Good
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This is what you get for installing Windows 8 in the first place. Really, you should have known better.
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Wow, well that kills my hope for things. I was hoping 8.1 would save it but bleh. The wife's windows 8 thingy has been nothing but trouble. Guess I put off buying a new PC until the release windows 9 or whatever they'll call it... Smiley: glare

Best of luck getting the thingy to work. Smiley: frown

Edited, Dec 1st 2013 12:50am by someproteinguy
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Whatever I uninstalled allowed it to be stable enough to stay alive overnight. The only critical program I'm short of right now is Drop Box. I would not be surprised if Microsoft "accidentally" sabotaged that to force us to use their SkyDrive instead.

Windows native hardware doesn't seem to have these problems. My husband's Surface took a look at 8.1 and went "Okay boss, got it" and has been totally glitch free. Figures.
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Drop box is back and I'm not crashing. I can live without everything else.

I've narrowed it down to the HP printer spamware or the extras that came with my motherboard. The printer has been sick and ailing anyway and we're treating ourselves to a half off color laser printer for Christmas (arrives Tuesday! Squee!) so I'm in no hurry to reinstall them to verify that they were the true culprit.

I'm still bothered by the fact that Microsoft doesn't like my Windows 8 product key and won't let me create a Windows 8.1 restore disk.
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Software for the HP All-in-One machines is garbage. At work I can get in 1 or 2 scans before it locks up and I have to restart the printer and PC. I've gotten to where I just don't use it any longer. I have a Dell All-in-One machine at home and it's software is trouble free.
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Wow, well that kills my hope for things. I was hoping 8.1 would save it but bleh. The wife's windows 8 thingy has been nothing but trouble. Guess I put off buying a new PC until the release windows 9 or whatever they'll call it... Smiley: glare

Or you can build a pc and install W7 on it.
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Wow, well that kills my hope for things. I was hoping 8.1 would save it but bleh. The wife's windows 8 thingy has been nothing but trouble. Guess I put off buying a new PC until the release windows 9 or whatever they'll call it... Smiley: glare

Or you can build a pc and install W7 on it.
I'm too lazy to do that.
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It's kinda cool though. And you get it cheaper/you get a better PC for your money.

Edited, Dec 2nd 2013 7:05pm by Aethien
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I have Windows 8 (now 8.1) on my ideapad (. . . what happened to thinkpad?) and it works fine but that only tells half the story. I hate it. I hate that Micro$oft insists on thinking they're better than me, and dictating "new ways" for me to work and play. I don't want new ways to do things, I just want my operating system to work in the background. It should be like a good referee - it does its job and when it does it well you don't even know it's there.

And as for Micro$oft killing Dropbox so that you have to move to SkyDrive, well just remember that this is the company whose mantra once was "DOS ain't done 'til Lotus won't run."

Other than that, I love it.

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After installing all the latest drivers for my motherboard, and getting another round of Windows updates last week, my issues seem to have been resolved *knock on wood.*

I got another round of problems with a corrupted Office 2013 installation, but thankfully I was able to do a restore of that using the product key (not obtained through my school account like Windows 8 was) and all is now well.
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Wow, well that kills my hope for things. I was hoping 8.1 would save it but bleh. The wife's windows 8 thingy has been nothing but trouble. Guess I put off buying a new PC until the release windows 9 or whatever they'll call it... Smiley: glare

Best of luck getting the thingy to work. Smiley: frown

Edited, Dec 1st 2013 12:50am by someproteinguy


You can still buy computers with windows 7 on them. I bought one for my dad for Christmas since I didn't have time to build one for him. It even cost me $20 less to have Window7 pro put on it instead of windows 8.1.
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Glad to hear the problem was solved. I haven't done anything with windows 8 yet since I am on my skip plan for that OS.

Was you 8.0 and 8.1 disks upgrade disks? I know microsoft doesn't put everything on the upgrade disks. I have a windows 7 upgrade that doesn't have format everything, and a regular 7 disk that does.
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These were ISO files that I had to burn onto disk myself. Not upgrade disks, but clean OS installs.
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I may have found a tutorial to reformat using windows 8. (I hope you never have to do this again, but just in case.)

http://pcsupport.about.com/od/windows-8/ss/windows-8-clean-install-part-1_12.htm

It is kind of scary that it takes 32 steps to install. I am just glad we aren't supporting Win 8 yet.
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Nice guide, except that when it came to deleting partitions, Win8 locked itself down and didn't give me the option. Smiley: bah
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It does that unless you disable stupid security mode inside the bios. I forget what the exact flag is, but its something like "UEFI enhanced security mode ******** flag that is just there to annoy people"
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Ahhhhh that I didn't know about.

That changes everything!
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Secureboot my bane when it comes time to change linux versions for different projects.
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So did we just came to the conclusion that Win8.1 was never the problem?

For me it's the best thing that happened since XP and most people having problems with it either have a lame hardware not supported by their own manufacturer or have their HD full of malware from **** sites.
#29 Jan 24 2014 at 10:12 AM Rating: Good
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So did we just came to the conclusion that Win8.1 was never the problem?

For me it's the best thing that happened since XP and most people having problems with it either have a lame hardware not supported by their own manufacturer or have their HD full of malware from **** sites.


I'd be particularly careful about this -- The hardware some people have is exactly what they can afford, and keep in mind that not everyone (I'm not saying this about Catwho, but just in general) has the technical expertise of someone with a doctorate in Computer Science or having worked in tech since the IBM PS/2 desktop. I often hear, "f'ing noob", thrown around by people who are technically savvy when the people they're dealing with really are computer illiterate or unable to afford better and don't know that they need better.

It's the equivalent of chewing a first timer in a dungeon in an MMO who's never played cooperatively in an MMO before, and we can all mostly relate to how that feels on the receiving end.
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So did we just came to the conclusion that Win8.1 was never the problem?

For me it's the best thing that happened since XP and most people having problems with it either have a lame hardware not supported by their own manufacturer or have their HD full of malware from **** sites.


No, Windows 8.1 was the cause of the problems. (Had I never upgraded to 8.1, I would have never experienced the issues.) The solution was getting the updated firmware from the motherboard manufacturer. Why they didn't make it available via Windows update, like so many other firmware updates are, is a mystery.

The UEFI board "secure boot" thing is unrelated to the Blue Screens of Death, but it's the reason why Windows wouldn't let me reformat.
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So did we just came to the conclusion that Win8.1 was never the problem?

For me it's the best thing that happened since XP and most people having problems with it either have a lame hardware not supported by their own manufacturer or have their HD full of malware from **** sites.


1. Windows 8.1 is a steaming pile of ********* due to interface alone.
2. My PC can beat up your PC.
3. My PC does not have a "HD full of malware from **** sites"
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[1. Windows 8.1 is a steaming pile of horsesh*t due to interface alone.


To conservative. Smiley: lol
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[1. Windows 8.1 is a steaming pile of horsesh*t due to interface alone.


To conservative. Smiley: lol

No. W8 has a UI on par with the stupidest ones you've ever seen in WoW, the ones that look sort of pretty but utterly fail at what they're supposed to do. It's absolutely miserable and should never have been released this way.
Maybe if everyone only used touchscreens it would have worked but how many people do you know who have a touchscreen on their desktop?
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
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[1. Windows 8.1 is a steaming pile of horsesh*t due to interface alone.


To conservative. Smiley: lol

No. W8 has a UI on par with the stupidest ones you've ever seen in WoW, the ones that look sort of pretty but utterly fail at what they're supposed to do. It's absolutely miserable and should never have been released this way.
Maybe if everyone only used touchscreens it would have worked but how many people do you know who have a touchscreen on their desktop?


That was the intention behind the UI, Microsoft was banking on hardware developers moving towards touchscreens, which never happened.
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[1. Windows 8.1 is a steaming pile of horsesh*t due to interface alone.


To conservative. Smiley: lol

No. W8 has a UI on par with the stupidest ones you've ever seen in WoW, the ones that look sort of pretty but utterly fail at what they're supposed to do. It's absolutely miserable and should never have been released this way.
Maybe if everyone only used touchscreens it would have worked but how many people do you know who have a touchscreen on their desktop?


That was the intention behind the UI, Microsoft was banking on hardware developers moving towards touchscreens, which never happened.


If they weren't a bunch of arrogant pricks they would have realized that the touch screen just wasn't happening for home PC use. Instead they built an OS around a piece of tech that nobody really uses, and this is the result.
#36 Jan 26 2014 at 6:21 PM Rating: Good
I use touchscreen devices. I have a Windows Phone 8 device, my laptop is touchscreen, and I just replaced two 21" monitors with two Acer 27" touchscreens.

I'm the last of my friends to make that kind of move. And I don't even have any Windows tablets yet.

Edited, Jan 26th 2014 7:22pm by darexius2010
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Why? What's the point in having a touch screen 2+ feet away from you when you have a mouse right in front of you on your desk? The only screen I'd want to touch would be a Cintiq and that's jusy with the stylus (and that's not worth anywhere near the $2000 pricetag to me).
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gorila123 wrote:
So did we just came to the conclusion that Win8.1 was never the problem?

For me it's the best thing that happened since XP and most people having problems with it either have a lame hardware not supported by their own manufacturer or have their HD full of malware from **** sites.


I'd be particularly careful about this -- The hardware some people have is exactly what they can afford, and keep in mind that not everyone (I'm not saying this about Catwho, but just in general) has the technical expertise of someone with a doctorate in Computer Science or having worked in tech since the IBM PS/2 desktop. I often hear, "f'ing noob", thrown around by people who are technically savvy when the people they're dealing with really are computer illiterate or unable to afford better and don't know that they need better.

It's the equivalent of chewing a first timer in a dungeon in an MMO who's never played cooperatively in an MMO before, and we can all mostly relate to how that feels on the receiving end.


I guess it's up to the manufacturer to support their own hardware, not MS. About the prices, well I'm far from rich but I always prefered to buy a little "worse" piece of hardware from a good and well known manufacturer than some supposedly better pieces from unreliable brands.

To all the other who flamed at me for "defending" Win8.1, all I have to say is that it works fine for me, never gave any problem, I came directly from Win7 (never used Win8 as it had some known problems with a couple games) which also never gave me no problem whatsoever. **** since Win Vista it's been all good so I don't really get all the hate. Could it be better? I guess. It's the worst thing that happened to the PC users? No!

One thing that I really like about win8.1 is that it's not only touch friendly but also works just fine and it's intuitively for keyboard+mouse users like me.

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If I could vote you up, I totally would no matter what you said :P
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#42 Jan 28 2014 at 6:58 AM Rating: Default
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So much hate... and I still can't find one single thing that beginner and normal users can't do on win8.1. All my hardware got supported by MS Update (except shorcut keys (fn+...) but my manufacturer had the drivers anyway), I can run MatLab, MPLAB, LabView, Proteus, and all that stuff I need for my masters like a charm! All my peripherals got properly detected and installed by ms update, even my freaking 1998 HP printer!

You are those guys that always existed that are against progress, well let me tell you something I'm too: society tells me that being ***, *** marriage, and *** couples adopting children is the future! I don't like it, I find it repulsive and disgusting but do I go out and flame about it blaming society for choosing a path that it's not mine?? No, I just don't talk about it, look at it or even think about it and I'm doing just fine. Since only this year MS is ending the XP security updates, I think you all have plenty of time to go back to vista or seven, or change to you preferred free OS out there, but if your manufacturer stopped supporting your hardware don't blame Win7 or Ubuntu for it :)
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Dude, you're trolling a software analyst here. Smiley: lol Just cuz Windows 8 could run all the crap I needed for my master's in Internet programming doesn't mean it can run the corporate software my company is using - since half of them are built for IE8 and are utterly broken in any other browser. We'll get around to fixing it this year since our office will be upgrading to Win8 in 2015, but you overestimate the pace of the business world.
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I can't understand anyone who skips the cutscenes of a Final Fantasy game. That's like going to Texas and not getting barbecue.

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#44 Jan 28 2014 at 8:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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Change for arbitrary stupid reasons that end up causing the simplest tasks to take 4 extra mouse clicks is not "progress". It's not a matter of things working or not working. It's a matter of the interface being a huge step backwards from where we were in the wrong direction. And they are reportedly fixing it in windows 9. But until then, windows 8.1 remains the worst operating system since windows ME, and I ran windows ME.
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#45 Jan 28 2014 at 10:40 AM Rating: Default
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Dude, you're trolling a software analyst here. Smiley: lol Just cuz Windows 8 could run all the crap I needed for my master's in Internet programming doesn't mean it can run the corporate software my company is using - since half of them are built for IE8 and are utterly broken in any other browser. We'll get around to fixing it this year since our office will be upgrading to Win8 in 2015, but you overestimate the pace of the business world.


You're right about that, I don't know what's going on in business world, my comments where based on what a normal domestic user/student would need.

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Change for arbitrary stupid reasons that end up causing the simplest tasks to take 4 extra mouse clicks is not "progress". It's not a matter of things working or not working. It's a matter of the interface being a huge step backwards from where we were in the wrong direction. And they are reportedly fixing it in windows 9. But until then, windows 8.1 remains the worst operating system since windows ME, and I ran windows ME.


Could you specify which daily tasks for the normal user got those 4 extra clicks? I didn't noticed that, all my tasks are at the same "distance" they always were since the first appearance of the start button: "win button+first 2/3 letters of the thing I need+Enter". You can also directly boot to your desktop so if you have shortcuts in your desktop (I don't, I like to keep my desktop clean :) ) they're still 1 click away. Restart, shut down, etc still the same too: "right click on win logo+click option done!". Let me see other simple daily tasks...hmm connect to wi-fi/bluetooth actually made much more easier/faster, connect to projector, etc

I don't know if you have children but kids (I mean people now entering in university) nowadays do like a lot these extremely graphic interfaces and they master them, and they're the future, we, the ones that lived through ms dos, must deal with it.

PS: I also ran ME, nothing can be worse than ME, it doesn't matter how much MS fails again, nothing will ever be so bad :D
#46 Jan 29 2014 at 7:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'll also point out that if you had read the first few posts of the thread, I wasn't complaining about the UI. I was complaining about the total instability of the system, constant blue screens of death, and the fact that Microsoft is a bully and decided a key that was perfectly valid when I installed 8.0 was no longer valid for an 8.1 installation.
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Thayos wrote:
I can't understand anyone who skips the cutscenes of a Final Fantasy game. That's like going to Texas and not getting barbecue.

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#47 Jan 30 2014 at 8:40 AM Rating: Default
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Catwho wrote:
I'll also point out that if you had read the first few posts of the thread, I wasn't complaining about the UI.

You weren't but pretty much everyone else was.

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I was complaining about the total instability of the system, constant blue screens of death, and the fact that Microsoft is a bully and decided a key that was perfectly valid when I installed 8.0 was no longer valid for an 8.1 installation.

Your problem is a very valid problem and I understand that since problems only began when you changed OS it may look like it's Windows fault, but my opinion is that either manufacturers adapt (make drivers) to the OS people are using or make their own OS, in this case it's hardly MS fault not directly supporting through MS Update your specific motherboard/whatever. In my case they supported 99% of the things, but even if they didn't I knew Toshiba/NVidia/Intel/etc wouldn't fail on me (as they didn't for that 1%).

About the key problem, my experience:

I had my license for win8 from DreamSpark for free, made a clean install, then updated to win8.1 directly from the Shop App with no problems at all and no further activations. When it finished just had to restart and it was done, so you may guess it's hard for me to believe that Win8.1 is the root of all problems Smiley: smile

Anyway I think that everything has been said and it was made clear that Win8.1 it's not like a virus, it is an OS, and a very nice one. So nice that even the most "computer retarded" people can use it even if they barely know how to use a mouse. I guess that's what this "stupid interface", as you call it, is about: technological integration for everyone, from the electrical and computer engineering student that programs some silly embedded applications every now and then (me) to the regular housewife that just wants to upload some food photos to facebook.
#48 Feb 01 2014 at 9:46 AM Rating: Good
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a key that was perfectly valid when I installed 8.0 was no longer valid for an 8.1 installation.


You may have specified this earlier in the thread but I wanted to jump in and mention that I've seen this happen as well where my 8.0 key doesn't work in 8.1 -- I have installation media for both versions and my key, which I pulled with Belarc advisor off my laptop, will only work during install using 8.0 media, and it can be any 8.0 media. It will NOT activate if I install with the 8.1 media and there's nothing I can do to make it work. So, during a fresh install, I can only use my key if I use 8.0 media.
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#49 Feb 19 2014 at 11:02 PM Rating: Good
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Oh god. I just bought a new laptop that came with Windows 8. It is going to update to 8.1 as soon as it restarts. Oh god. Oh god.
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#50 Feb 20 2014 at 8:43 AM Rating: Good
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As soon as it's updated, go to the manufacturer's website and see if they released any hardware/firmware updates for 8.1.
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Thayos wrote:
I can't understand anyone who skips the cutscenes of a Final Fantasy game. That's like going to Texas and not getting barbecue.

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#51 Feb 20 2014 at 1:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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Catwho wrote:
As soon as it's updated, go to the manufacturer's website and see if they released any hardware/firmware updates for 8.1.

Yeah, then do a Jimi Hendrix. Put the laptop on the ground, kneel in front of it, pour gasoline over it, drop a lit match on it, and pray over it.

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