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#1 Feb 17 2012 at 3:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Was playing WoW today and I got this message "Display driver nvlddmkm stopped responding and has successfully recovered." Did it again once in Witcher 2 (but oddly didn't mess up game play or anything of that nature), and a stress test. Tells me Driver xxx has crashed and recovered.

I was using the latest nVidia beta drivers, I then downgraded to the next beta drivers and finally to the latest released drivers.

It crashed on everyone of those in WoW. Sometimes it would recover and sometimes it would just freeze the computer up so I had to hard reboot.

Got sent to this page on quite a few stress test http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=214770

Just checking to see if there is anything I can do to alleviate this problem without having to RMA the card.

The card is a 570 GTX.

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#2 Feb 17 2012 at 5:16 PM Rating: Good
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Have you checked to make sure your fan is running?
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#3 Feb 17 2012 at 5:56 PM Rating: Decent
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What PSU are you using and how old is it? Also, how long have you had the 570?
#4 Feb 17 2012 at 5:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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nvlddmkm is definitly the primary Nvidia video card driver file. There are a couple things that could be causing this. First off, download the free speedfan application (http://www.almico.com/sfdownload.php) and tell me what temperature your video card is running at when the system is at idle. Also, check and ensure that the secondary power leads are all firmly connected to the video card.

Also, what version of windows are you running, and do you have any out of the ordinary sound cards or anything along those lines, particularily a creative labs X-fi?

Also what size monitor are you running, and is this just one 570, or more than one in SLI mode.

Oh, also, what wattage is your power supply currently?
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#5 Feb 17 2012 at 7:14 PM Rating: Decent
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I have the on-board sound.

Onboard Audio

Audio Chipset
SupremeFX X-Fi 2

Audio Channels
8 Channels


I run Windows 7 Ultimate 64, my system idles at aroun 36C, I keep an eye on it constantly with GPU meter gadget. I've only ever seen it get as high as 60C and that was with stressing it, a lot. It has dual fans, so it stays pretty cool. I ramp the fans up with MSI Afterburner when it starts to get above 45-50C.

I checked my power cords today after it started doing that, I have two lights on it and they both lite up green.

I have a 23 inch monitor. I run it in 1920 x 1080. I run one 570 GTX

My PSU is a Antec HCP 1200W.

I used to have an 470 GTX and never ran into this issue. I've been doing some reading, and it seems that since WoW patched to 4.3 that alot of people get it. Granted mine could be caused of something totally different.

Anyways, thanks for the help. Appreciate it.

Edit: Because I forgot to add what sound system it was using.

Edited, Feb 17th 2012 7:15pm by DecendentMonk
#6 Feb 17 2012 at 7:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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You might want to hit creative.com and see if there is an updated sound driver for your card. It could be the new patch and WoW, but i do know that nvidia cards will occasionally do flakey things that are actually caused by that particular sound card or any of the x-fi variants. Probably not what is going on here, but it wouldn't hurt to check on.
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#7 Feb 17 2012 at 7:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok, will check that out and download an update if they have it. Thank you very much.

I have a feeling maybe WoW and Blizzard broke something (seeing as how many post I saw on the subject, mainly seems to target 570-580 GTX), but much rather try everything I can to fix it. Blizzard takes a bit to fix somethings.

Will let you know if it fixes it.

Thanks again, Kaolian
#8 Feb 18 2012 at 1:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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You're welcome! hope they get it resolved for you.
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#9 Feb 18 2012 at 11:58 PM Rating: Good
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Are you running Firefox in the background, even minimized? Because I had a problem with this error for a while, where my screen would blank for a second then come back up with the error while surfing the webs. I found a work around on Nvidias forums that seems to be doing the trick now.

If you you run into the problem where it was because of Firefox. Open Nvidia control panel, under manage 3d settings, select Firefox and change power management to Prefer maximum. Then in Firefox go to advanced settings and turn off hardware acceleration. Seems to have fixed the problem for me.

Edited, Feb 18th 2012 11:59pm by BeanX
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#10 Feb 21 2012 at 7:34 AM Rating: Decent
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Raolan wrote:
What PSU are you using and how old is it? Also, how long have you had the 570?


Antec HCP 1200W, it's was bought Jan. 30th. GPU was bought the 25th of Jan. So neither are old, granted that doesn't mean that they can't come defective from the factory. Sorry didn't respond to you before now.

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Are you running Firefox in the background, even minimized? Because I had a problem with this error for a while, where my screen would blank for a second then come back up with the error while surfing the webs. I found a work around on Nvidias forums that seems to be doing the trick now.

If you you run into the problem where it was because of Firefox. Open Nvidia control panel, under manage 3d settings, select Firefox and change power management to Prefer maximum. Then in Firefox go to advanced settings and turn off hardware acceleration. Seems to have fixed the problem for me.


I'll try this and see what happens, thanks. I've read also that lowering your GPU (if it comes overclocked from factory) can help with the crashing/recovery in WoW. Not sure why it would do that with OC, but I'll try that as well.

I read up some on my built in sound card. It is actually a Realtek, not sure why they announce it as a SupremeFX X-Fi 2. But my device manager shows Realtek, and the drivers for it are Realtek, maybe it has an overlay of SupremeFX X-Fi 2? Not real sure.

I called ASUS support about it, but the guy I talked to wanted me to download WDDM, from what I read Windows 7 comes with WDDM anyways, so I don't think that is going to work.

Thanks for the help all. Will see what I can do today, as I wasn't able to get on at all this weekend and try and resolve it.

Edit: Because WMMD isn't WDDM.

Edited, Feb 21st 2012 8:14am by DecendentMonk
#11 Feb 21 2012 at 7:53 AM Rating: Good
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there is a sort of emulation driver for the Realteks that runs the XiFi drivers or something like that, so you get to run a psuedo XiFi on their chips. Tinkered with it once on my last motherboard when a Xi-Fi Fatal1ty PCI started acting up. One channel would keep dropping in/out under heavy load, presumably a bus bandwidth issue or something with the old PCI designs that they never resolved--but it was CPU intensive and wasn't quite the same and I eventually replaced it with an Asus Xonar/DX.

As for the Windows Driver Model (WDM)...that's part of the system for managing the various Audio/Video Input/Output interfaces. Various vendors will release new driver models from time to time to fix glitches here and there, so it may be worth trying a different one--especially when you have HDMI capable devices. I installed one from ATI and it softened some extreme clipping I was getting in FFXI.

Edited, Feb 21st 2012 8:56am by BDHERTZER
#12 Feb 21 2012 at 8:18 AM Rating: Decent
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I'll see what I can find on the WDDM thing, I see nVidia just came out with a new driver today, so will try it and see what happens. If all else fails I'll avoid WoW till it gets resolved. It's not to bad except when it locks up the screen. More annoying than anything.

I never had this issue before, and it seems to be affecting more than just myself. So I'm not sure what is going on.

Thanks for the information.
#13 Feb 21 2012 at 8:32 PM Rating: Decent
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I switched out my 570 with my 460 and I never ran into the Timeout Detection and Recovery problem at all playing WoW or a in stress test. I then switched back to my 570, WoW again did the TDR, then ran for a good 30 minutes and again TDR.

I ran my 570 on a stress test with 8xAA for well over 30 minutes, my GPU ran at 98+% the whole time, never got above 48C that I saw. Not one TDR.

Earlier today I did manage to TDR my 570 in a benchmark while trying to OC it (seems I can't get it to OC above 850/1700/2000 @1.063V, yet I saw a website that tested it get one to 1006/2012/1148, not sure of voltage, on air. How is that even possible Link to OC) I like the TDR when I'm trying to OC, helps save me from hard rebooting all the time. But annoying in WoW.

Haven't had anymore problems with any other games, The Witcher 2 has ran fine since the other TDR (think I had it OC then, a wee to much), Skyrim, AoC, EQ2, and so on. No problems, but WoW gives me ****.

Updated my audio with some Creative program that ASUS had on website.

I've seen that I can do this, but not sure how much it would help.

How to Disable TDR:

1) open your vista registry editor (Just type regedit to show your registry)
2) go to the key : HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\GraphicsDrivers\
3) highlight it then right click on this key
4) Add DWORD TdrDelay
5) Set value of TdrDelay to "0"
6) Reboot

This will stop that msg from displaying. I also have a Nvidia GTX 570 and this fixed that problem.

Found on the WoW Forum: Here
Would this help any?

I can RMA the card, but I don't really believe it is the card as it seems WoW is the only program I run into this problem (minus OCing and stressing while OC).

Thanks

Edit do to failing at linking.


Edited, Feb 21st 2012 8:36pm by DecendentMonk
#14 Feb 21 2012 at 9:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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With regards to impossible to obtain overclocking scores supposedly on air, people lie. Or they cheat and stick an air conditioner in the side of the case for the run, **** the condensation full speed ahead. If a number seems obviously way impossible, it usually is because it is impossible. Air isn't as dense a fluid as water, and thus cannot dissipate as much heat.

Disabling TDR basically means your card won't try to reset itself if it detects that it is hung, but it also means that if it is locked up, it won't try to reset itself and you will have to reboot. if you can live with that, then go for it.
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#15 Feb 21 2012 at 10:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Ah, alright. I was wondering how that worked out. I can get to 850, and even then I may need to back off some.

Would it be worth it just to RMA the card and try a new one to see if that works? I have my reserves that is it, but I guess it would rule it out.

Or perhaps Return it and get another 460GTX for SLi? Think you have told me before that would be a bit better than one single 570 GTX? I may have misunderstood.

Like I said, I don't really think it's the card as I don't have any other problems with any other games (except OCed to much, but that is more of a my fault kinda thing).

I guess I could avoid WoW till they get this sorted out, I'll contact them tomorrow and see what they say. But according to that forum post, they are kinda shrugging it off as not their problem. And to find a work around, but I'll see what Tech support says tomorrow.

Anyways, thank you for the response. Appreciate it.




Edited, Feb 21st 2012 10:39pm by DecendentMonk
#16 Feb 22 2012 at 12:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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I suspect it isn't the card, its just Wow seems to be having an issue with the 570 at the moment. A new card will probably have the same issue.

Getting a second 460 does have some potential advantages, but also a couple of things to consider. Think of it this way, Your monitor is a trailer. The bigger your monitor, the bigger the trailer. Your video card is a horse. A newer faster video card is a newer, bigger horse. Two horses might pull that one trailer faster, but one really big really new horse might be better than two older ones.

Essentially, your 570 has DirectX 11 compatability, which will be important for games eventually, though not as much right now. Two 460's would most likely be faster in terms of CPU, and about even in Ram. Two 460's would also draw about double the electricity. Two 460's would also be more effective for multiple monitors, or driving a single large monitor because one card can be doing one thing while the other is doing something else. SLI can also lead to sync issues though, and occasionally games break SLI compatability on accident because its a less common configuration. Everquest II once broke it for about a month, which was really annoying actually.

Its a bit of a toss up. I had two 280 GTX's in my main computer up until recently, and I just pulled them both for a single 3GB ram 580 GTX. someday I'll add a second 580 GTX. That ended up being a much faster configuration. A 460 on the other hand is closer to a 570 to begin with, so two of them, only one generation back, and a 570 which could possibly have either the same, or more ram, its really kind of a toss up. I think I personally would go with a second 460 in that scenario, or hold out for a 580. The "680" whatever they end up calling it, is supposedly due out in June.

If you go with a second 460 you probably aren't going to see a huge improvement over the 570, but it would be some improvement most likely, and at a lower cost. Two 570's on the other hand would blow 2 460's out of the water, so if you keep the 570 you have that upgrade route later.

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#17 Feb 22 2012 at 10:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Thank you for explaining that. After reading that, I think for now I will hold onto the 570 and possibly upgrade to another 570 in the future. Maybe I can talk my wife into it sometime. May have to wait and see if the price drops some.

With SLi, it just needs to be two 570 GTX, correct? It can be a different vendor, or does the card need to be the same vendor and model?

Like right now I have the ASUS ENGTX570 DCII/2DIS/1280MD5 GeForce GTX 570, now would I need another one of those exact same cards, or could I perhaps go with a EVGA 570 GTX?

Thanks again, much appreciated.
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Theoretically two different vendor 570's would work, in practice, you will want two identical model cards, with identical firmware for best results. I know people who have made dissimilar cards work, I know people who have had major problems with it. I've only ever tried running identical cards personally.
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#19 Feb 22 2012 at 4:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Alright, I'll wait till the price drops on the ASUS a wee bit and see what I can do about getting another one.

Today, I ran WoW for 2 and half hours without one hiccup (holding my tongue that it holds out like that), the only thing I can even think of that made a difference was I switched from DX11 to DX9. Not one TDR. Will play again later and tomorrow, and if it doesn't TDR anymore, hopefully that means that is fixed. I can live without DX11, it makes games look very nice, but I would much rather my GPU not crash every 15-30 minutes.

Thanks again, Kaolian. Will definitely look into getting another 570.

Edited, Feb 22nd 2012 4:57pm by DecendentMonk
#20 Feb 23 2012 at 11:48 AM Rating: Decent
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I didn't really want to open a new thread for one question, that I can't seem to find the answer for do to most the cases I see pictures with have one rear fan port.

I have a DF-85, I put a Corsair H80 on the bottom rear port as an intake. I have the top rear port as an exhaust, do I need to change that to an intake as well so that the air being sucked out isn't being brought right back in over the radiator? Or is the top 2-140mm fans pulling enough away from the 1-120mm fan that it wouldn't matter?

Currently my fans are like this.

Front 3x120mm = intake
Rear 1x120mm = intake (radiator)
Rear 1x120mm = exhaust
Top 2x140mm = exhaust
Side 1x120mm = intake

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#21 Feb 23 2012 at 7:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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A standard entry level case these days is going to have one 120mm intake in the front and 1 120mm exhaust in the rear. For a gaming case, especially one with a water cooling radiator involved, you will have more intakes and exhausts, but the basic principles are the same. You want a balanced airflow, with a slight bias towards overpressure (more intakes than exhausts)if you have to have an inbalance. There are also sealed and unsealed cases. In a sealed case, the fan intakes are the only inputs, and there are no passive air vents. These are fairly rare these days because they tend to cook your equipment if a fan fails. More common are the unsealed cases, which generally will have additional mesh vents in front or on the sides of the case. The worst possible combination of a case is a sealed underpressured case. The DF85 is an unsealed case though.

The other thing to consider is that heat rises. So the coolest air available to your case will be the lower front intake. The warmest air will tend to be the upper back intake. this is often compounded by computers being under desks and in semi-enclosed spaces The air on the back side of the case with 120mm fans will tend to go out, then spool around the sides if there isn't enough room for diffusion. In an unsealed case, this often gets sucked in through side vents.

Also, you shouldn't really consider your power supply as an air mover when considering pressure balances, even though it has a sizeable fan, its also generating heat, and there is alot of component drag so it doesn't really move as much air as you would otherwise expect generally.

I generally exhaust over my radiators rather than intake, but it doesn't seem to make that much of a temperature difference if you reverse that assuming you have a decent pressure balance. In your case at the moment,I'd probably personally run the radiator off the side panel intake and set the rear fans to exhaust. that gets to be a pain with tube routing and power and whatnot if you don't have quick disconnects. That or just set the rear fan to exhaust with the radiator anyways. The 140's move a considerable amount more air than a 120, so it's close, but you are right to be concerned about that rear fan sucking in some warm exhaust air. Its on the bottom though so it won't be a huge issue. In the grand scheme of things, either position should be fine with the amount of fans you have in that case.
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#22 Feb 24 2012 at 10:12 AM Rating: Decent
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I have the H80 set as a push/pull intake right now, would flipping it and running it as a push/pull exhaust be better, or just keep it as is?

That rear top port fan I can always lower the speed on it, to make sure the top ports are getting most the air sucked out the top.

I added the side fan (wouldn't fit the normal way, radiator and the two fans on it were to big for it) as an intake to help the GPU some. Not sure that it needs it as it stays relatively cool with two fans on it. So I can always remove it if need be and try to add the H80 there, but I don't know if it would fit, that fan slot is right over the GPU, that and not much hose to work with there. But I'll see.

Other than that, does all the fans look ok as they are or should I switch from exhaust/intake?

Trying to get my case fans all situated before summer gets here, so I just want to make sure I have them right. Already seen an increase on my CPU temp, even with the H80 when the 80+ degree heat came a couple days ago. I know it's to be expected, but it went from load temps of 33C-35C to 39C-40C. But I guess it's to be expected with the room temp rising, hopefully when I turn on the AC that will help some, I just dread the 100-110+ days that are the summer here in the nice desert. Just want to give my case the best airflow I can.

Thank you again, appreciate it.

Edited, Feb 24th 2012 10:21am by DecendentMonk
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Its kind of a toss up again. Flipping the H80 around to exhust is going to give you better overall case airflow, and lower temperatures for your motherboard and ram, but is going to slightly raise your CPU temperatures. Either way is fine for normal temperatures. When you throw in likely 110+ degree days though, you are going to need to pay extra attention to cooling. For one thing, you should abandon any overclocking during the peak hot days. Your danger areas are going to be the northbridge chipset, your ram, and your voltage regulators on your motherboard, not to mention the capacitors surrounding the CPU socket. If you have an Asus motherboard. many of them come with this fan: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-ASUS-Fan-for-Water-cooling-or-Passive-PU-Cooling-Only-Adapters-H4-/150715470571?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item23175792eb which clips on the heatpipe assembly for use with water cooling CPU coolers. For extremely hot temperatures, that fan, or something equivelent, is not optional. It adds very little noise. Goes on about like this:
[img]http://pcper.com/images/reviews/179/fansinstalled.jpg[/img]

you may also want to consider modifying your side panel door to accept a 200mm intake fan poitioned around the center of the motherboard. On normal days that will be complete overkill. On 110+ degree days if your AC isn't very robust, it may save your motherboard.
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#24 Feb 25 2012 at 12:31 AM Rating: Decent
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I think I have one of those fans somewhere will go through my computer parts tomorrow and see. Pretty sure I saw it not to long ago.

I'll see if I can get the door modified to fit a 200mm fan.

Thanks again, appreciate it.
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