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#1 Jan 27 2012 at 1:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Hello,

Maybe it's just the game, I haven't really gotten any other games installed yet to test them (working on that at the moment). But I at least expected to see a pretty good boost to FPS in EQ2. But not so much. Granted I'm not really sure if EQ2 is more CPU based or GPU based.

I went from a 460 GTX to a 570 GTX. I guess if there is one, it's very minimal.

My setup.

Motherboard: ASUS Crosshair V

CPU: AMD FX-8150

Memory: Kingston Hyper X DDR3 1600

GPU: ASUS ENGTX570

PSU: Antec 850W

Any help would be great.


Edited, Jan 27th 2012 1:08pm by DecendentMonk
#2 Jan 27 2012 at 1:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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The Tom's Hardware graphics card hierarchy chart recommends going at least three tiers higher when you upgrade to notice a performance boost. 460 GTX to 570 GTX is three tiers, but one of those seems to be mobile cards; I wonder if it's more like 2-2.5 tiers in that instance. [Edit: 560 GTX isn't a mobile card but it stands alone in that tier. I still wonder if it wasn't as big a jump as you might think]

Or it might just be that you've gotten as much as you're going to get out of EQ2. It's not a new game and your processor and GPU both far surpass its requirements. I'd try a few other games and see if you notice a difference.

Edited, Jan 27th 2012 1:36pm by Jophiel
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#3 Jan 27 2012 at 1:53 PM Rating: Good
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would like a link to the old card, and the new card. not all GTX570s and GTX460s are created equal.

Also, i didnt realize EQ2 was graphically intensive enough to require that much of a computer.
#4 Jan 27 2012 at 1:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Thank you, yeah I think I'll see if I can dig up some of my more graphic intense games. I'll reinstall Skyrim. It was pretty intense on my 460. See how it fairs against that.

I agree EQ2 is probably at the max point. Probably not the best game to test my new card off of.

Just tried it on NFS Hot Pursuit and it kept a constant 60fps (seems that it has V sync on or something, because it wouldn't go above 60. Can't figure out how to turn it off, not option in the graphics setting.)

Will definitely try more games though.

Thank you for the reply.
#5 Jan 27 2012 at 2:00 PM Rating: Decent
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EQ2 isn't, I mean I guess it can be when there are 50 people around. Ring War can drop the fps a lot. I play other games besides EQ2 that are far more graphic intense. It was just the first one I could load up, seeing as how I had to reinstall everything.

Old 460GTX: EVGA 460 GTX
#6 Jan 27 2012 at 5:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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EQ2 when you crank up all the settings eats a sizeable amount of video capacity.

A couple things going on here. Your card you started out with was an EVGA "superclocked" model, which is their fancy way of saying "we overclocked the sh*t out of it, put a bigger than normal heat sync on it, and added faster than reference GDDR5 Ram" So your baseline card started out faster than a typical stock 460 GTX. Your new asus 570 GTX card is also designed to be overclocked, but ships at factory default voltages. Thats why they include that massive 3 decker fan contraption, but unless ou have already overclocked it, they are likely expecting you to adjust those settings. Be advised, that it is possible to melt a video card if you overclock it too high, though most of the newer ones have a failure mode that just resets it back to factory voltage and locks your computer up if you do go too high. The card itself should have came with some sort of overclocking / voltage tweak utility, though if you are like me you probably ignored it and grabbed the regular driver direct from nvidia.

The other thing that is going on, is the 570 GTX isn't that much faster of a card than the 460 GTX. It's mainly a smaller nanometer variant of the same CPU, which allowed them to take it up faster due to better heat dissipation, along with some improvements to the baseboard chipset, and much more and faster ram. They also did some firmware tweaks to the Fermi engine, which EQ2 doesn't fully leverage. It's hard to see where the model divides are anymore. The 570GTX is basically a slightly faster 560 GTX with more ram, the 560 GTX is basically a slightly faster 460 GTX, with more ram.

It's certainly not a bad card, though a little big for most setups. It will make getting a second one in your case for SLI problematic. And I think when you overclock it up a few percentage, you will see the improvement you are looking for. Just watcht he temperatures under load. You might want to install the video card monitor gadget from addgadget.com to get a feel for the temperatures and utilization and see how far you can safely take it.

Good luck!

Edited, Jan 27th 2012 3:46pm by Kaolian
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#7 Jan 27 2012 at 6:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
EQ2 when you crank up all the settings eats a sizeable amount of video capacity.

A couple things going on here. Your card you started out with was an EVGA "superclocked" model, which is their fancy way of saying "we overclocked the sh*t out of it, put a bigger than normal heat sync on it, and added faster than reference GDDR5 Ram" So your baseline card started out faster than a typical stock 460 GTX. Your new asus 570 GTX card is also designed to be overclocked, but ships at factory default voltages. Thats why they include that massive 3 decker fan contraption, but unless ou have already overclocked it, they are likely expecting you to adjust those settings. Be advised, that it is possible to melt a video card if you overclock it too high, though most of the newer ones have a failure mode that just resets it back to factory voltage and locks your computer up if you do go too high. The card itself should have came with some sort of overclocking / voltage tweak utility, though if you are like me you probably ignored it and grabbed the regular driver direct from nvidia.

The other thing that is going on, is the 570 GTX isn't that much faster of a card than the 460 GTX. It's mainly a smaller nanometer variant of the same CPU, which allowed them to take it up faster due to better heat dissipation, along with some improvements to the baseboard chipset, and much more and faster ram. They also did some firmware tweaks to the Fermi engine, which EQ2 doesn't fully leverage. It's hard to see where the model divides are anymore. The 570GTX is basically a slightly faster 560 GTX with more ram, the 560 GTX is basically a slightly faster 460 GTX, with more ram.

It's certainly not a bad card, though a little big for most setups. It will make getting a second one in your case for SLI problematic. And I think when you overclock it up a few percentage, you will see the improvement you are looking for. Just watcht he temperatures under load. You might want to install the video card monitor gadget from addgadget.com to get a feel for the temperatures and utilization and see how far you can safely take it.

Good luck!

Edited, Jan 27th 2012 3:46pm by Kaolian


Thank you,

Yeah I ignored the drivers that came with it, I normally just got straight to nVidia and download the newest drivers (have the 290.53 beta right now). I then downloaded the 2.2.0 beta MSi Afterburner program. For some reason the Smart Doctor that ASUS gives with the card will not let me adjust the voltage. Not sure why.

I'm trying to get a feel for overclocking it to a stable speed with the correct voltage on it. Think so far I have got 800/1600/2000 with 1.085v stable. Tried 850/1700/2000 with 1.088v but when I ran Mark 3D it froze, then reverted the card back to default. So, it's a work in progress. I don't have water cooling so makes it kinda hard to get to the speeds I see others adjust to.

Yeah, I was amazed at how massive the card was, made my 460 look tiny. And it takes a 6 pin PCI-E and 8 pin PCI-E. Luckily my PSU has both, so I didn't have to use the plugs that came with it.

In your opinion, is it worth it to keep the 570 over the 460 and keep working with it? Or should I RMA the 570 and get my $330 back, since it's not to big of a leap forward from the 460?

Thanks for all the help.
#8 Jan 27 2012 at 6:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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The 570 is going to be operationally relevant longer than the 460 would have been, but it would be a toss up. In your shoes I might have been tempted to find a second 460 and run them both in SLI mode, which would have given you a significant performance boost, assuming you have room for it, but with the cost of shipping and RMA hassle and all, it might not be worth it. Those 3 slot cards aren't normal though, I'll tell you that for sure.

I just boght a 3Gb 580 GTX so i'm probably a bad influence to ask anyways. 1 year from now i'll add a second one.
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#9 Jan 27 2012 at 7:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Not sure why I never thought of getting another 460. I guess because I always had the ATI crossfire boards. I like AMD, and all I could ever find was crossfire, so I knew I couldn't set up Sli. But, I bought a Sli/Crossfire board, I should of just gotten another 460.

Will talk to wife and she what she things about the RMA, but as you said, with the cost of it all and the hassle, it really probably isn't worth it all. I think I saw Newegg charges a 15% restocking fee for refunded RMA. So I may just keep it in the end.

And it is a pretty nice card (although big, still nice).

And that 580 sounds like a very nice card.

Thanks again for all the help, appreciate it.
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#11 Jan 27 2012 at 7:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Have one more question, not really referring to my GPU, but to Windows 7.

Just did a clean install, and a new issue has came up. With my other install I could put my mouse cursor over the icon down at the bottom and it would show me a preview of the program running with the small window pop up over that icon.

It kinda glitches back and forth and doesn't really show the preview, at least not all the time. Sometimes it does, most the time it doesn't. I have all the updates for Windows 7.

Same with Alt+Tab, it glitches back and forth as well, doesn't just keep that window up so I can tab over and picked what program I wish to pop up.

Know of any reason that it would do this? This is the first time I've ever had these issues.

Thanks

Edit: Was reading and found the problem I do believe. Was a stuck volume key on my headset I think. As it is working right now.

Edited, Jan 27th 2012 8:08pm by DecendentMonk
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