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#1 Sep 16 2010 at 9:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey guys,

I've decided to build a desktop. My budget is ~$900. Here's what I am currently looking at (from Newegg):

Western Digital Caviar Black WD5001AALS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Item #: N82E16822136320
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
$59.99


G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL
Item #: N82E16820231277
Return Policy: Memory Standard Return Policy
$91.99


GIGABYTE GA-P55A-UD3 LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Item #: N82E16813128412
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-$5.00 Instant
$10.00 Mail-in Rebate Card
$139.99
$134.99


Intel Core i5-660 Clarkdale 3.33GHz LGA 1156 73W Dual-Core Desktop Processor BX80616I5660
Item #: N82E16819115219
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$207.99


Antec EarthWatts EA750 750W Continuous Power ATX12V version 2.3 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC ...
Item #: N82E16817371026
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Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Item #: N82E16811129042
Return Policy: Limited Replacement Only Return Policy
-$50.00 Instant
-$30.00 Combo
$209.94
$129.94


Galaxy 70XKH3HS8GUX GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
Item #: N82E16814162049
Return Policy: VGA Replacement Only Return Policy
$299.99

Please let me know what you guys think.



Edited, Sep 17th 2010 12:28am by Maxyim
#2 Sep 16 2010 at 10:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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I tend to prefer the Asus motherboards over Gigabyte, but they are a decent motherboard manufacturer. Good call on the USB 3.0 ports and 6BG / sec SATA ports for future expansion. Assuming you don't already have one, you will need a Case ($70), an Optical drive of some sort ($17) and a copy of Windows to run on the machine in addition to what you have listed. For a case, I like to reccommend the Cooler MAster CM 690 series, as they are usually pretty cheap. At the moment the CM690 version 2 is actually about $10 cheaper http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119215

For an optical drive, any of the 22x DVD drives will work. Here's an LG one for $17 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136180

Windows, for a gaming machine you want a 64 bit version of Windows 7 of some sort. $99 for 64 bit home Premium. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754

That video card is kind of a no name brand with a less than steller warranty. It will probably work, I wouldn't buy it personally.
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#3 Sep 16 2010 at 10:27 PM Rating: Decent
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#4 Sep 16 2010 at 10:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'd go with the PNY. It's a little mroe spendy than the Asus card they have listed, but it has a lifetime warranty.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133318
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#5 Sep 17 2010 at 6:07 AM Rating: Decent
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You'd get more bang for the buck by going with a quad core AMD, such as the X4 640.
$105 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103871
It's about half the price of the i5-660, and about 10% more performance.

Or go with closer to the same price, and about 70% more performance.
$198 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103851

You would also need a good motherboard for it..
$130 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130269

You could also get a 1TB drive for $10 more than the 500GB you have listed.
$70 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148433
#6 Sep 17 2010 at 8:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for the advice. Updated my shopping cart:



Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST31000528AS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Item #: N82E16822148433
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$69.99


MSI 890GXM-G65 AM3 AMD 890GX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
Item #: N82E16813130269
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$129.99


G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL
Item #: N82E16820231277
Return Policy: Memory Standard Return Policy
$91.99


AMD Phenom II X6 1055T Thuban 2.8GHz Socket AM3 125W Six-Core Desktop Processor HDT55TFBGRBOX
Item #: N82E16819103851
Return Policy: CPU Replacement Only Return Policy
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-$10.00 Instant
$207.99
$197.99


Antec EarthWatts EA750 750W Continuous Power ATX12V version 2.3 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC ...
Item #: N82E16817371026
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)
Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Item #: N82E16811129042
Return Policy: Limited Replacement Only Return Policy
-$50.00 Instant
-$30.00 Combo
$209.94
$129.94


PNY XLR8 VCGGTX470XPB GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
Item #: N82E16814133318
Return Policy: VGA Replacement Only Return Policy
Nvidia Free Just Cause 2 Coupon Free with purchase!
Item #: N82E16800999242
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-$7.00 Instant
-$59.99 Combo
$15.00 Mail-in Rebate
$379.98
$312.99

Already have a DVD drive and Windows, etc. Any more feedback?
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Just to second what Kao said about PNY.
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#8 Sep 17 2010 at 4:11 PM Rating: Decent
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I will be upgrading soon myself but I noticed you are looking for the same ram type. Check out this, free 8 gig flash drive too with a mail in rebate. OCZ ftw



http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227586

Cheaper, sexier, free stuff.

Just a suggestion, GL

*Edit: On a side note I agree with the post above, hexacore ftw?

Edited, Sep 17th 2010 6:12pm by Consilium
#9 Sep 17 2010 at 4:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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Never buy OCZ ram, ever. It's on my "no-buy" list. we purchased about 120 sticks of OCZ DDR2, and we have had to RMA literally 75 sticks, some of them more than once. It was all one model, and maybe it was a bad lot, but I won't ever buy ram from them again. Just not worth the risk.

I tend to prefer intel CPU's over AMD, but you can get a higher end AMD for the same price than a mid range Intel, and both will do the job.

The case you have listed will work, its got kind of a pain in the **** layout though. The drive rails and toolless design of other cases are more than worth the $30 price difference. Your computer case is the one component you will likely have for years longer than anythign else in this build, so it makes sense to get a good one.
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#10 Sep 17 2010 at 8:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks Kaolian. I just spoke to a friend who builds computers for a living, and he is suggesting that I stick with the i5 even though it has a much lower benchmark, because it can be overclocked to perform better than the AMD, and is more optimized towards gaming while the AMD would be more suited towards graphic design. What do you think about that?

Also, if I wanted to spend $50 more on a CPU, what should I get?

Edited, Sep 17th 2010 10:35pm by Maxyim
#11 Sep 17 2010 at 9:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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The intel chips break down into I3, I5, I7 socket 1156 and I7 Socket 1366. basically in that order, low to high end speed and capability. The higher end Socket 1366 Core i7's bench faster than all of the AMD chips out at the moment, but to get to a socket 1366 Core i7 even at the lower range you are talking a minumum of $287 for the processor plus another $50 for the larger board. That gives you a quad core with hyperthreading processor for a total of 8 cores to the 4 cores of the Core i5 you were considering, but at a lower clock rate unless you pay alot more than $287. The socket 1366 motherboards all have 6 ram slots to the Socket 1156's 4, so you gain another distinct ram channel, which comes in useful for gaming.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115225 is the lowest end Core i7 Socket 1366 processor.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131641 is the lowest end motherboard I'd put that processor in.

There are also hexacore Core i7 processors (6 cores with hyperthreading for a total of 12 cores), but they start in the high $700's.

Edit: So long story short, unless you want to spend more than $50 more, you should stay with the I5 you have specified.



Edited, Sep 17th 2010 8:44pm by Kaolian
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#12 Sep 18 2010 at 8:14 AM Rating: Good
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The AMD overclocks faster than the i5 as well - about 30-40%.

But a little about overclocking.. I've seen it cause more problems than it solves. It's better to stay at stock speeds with a faster CPU than to mess around and deal with instability.
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Linku wrote:
The AMD overclocks faster than the i5 as well - about 30-40%.

But a little about overclocking.. I've seen it cause more problems than it solves. It's better to stay at stock speeds with a faster CPU than to mess around and deal with instability.


Agreed. Unless you have a dedicated water cooling setup on the board chipset, CPU, ram and video card and know exactly what you are doing AND are willing to rebuy your entire computer if you melt it, stay away from overclocking. If nothing else even the best water cooling setup won't prevent your components ffrom failing earlier thant hey would have from overvoltage.
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#14 Sep 18 2010 at 5:15 PM Rating: Decent
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OK, I'm getting confused. AMD or i5? :P
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I5 or I7 would be the way I would go.
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Although I really like the i7's.. AMD is providing the best performance for the price. I really like how they're headed since the athlon/phenom 2's.
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Thanks everyone! Love these forums, great community.
#18 Oct 20 2010 at 3:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey guys,

I had to put off the PC for a bit. It's a month later and I'm getting ready to start ordering parts. Any changes you would make to the original layout?

Also, what's the deal with the new Nvidia chips? Any idea if my configuration will be compatible with them once they are out?

Thanks!
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Maxyim wrote:
Hey guys,

I had to put off the PC for a bit. It's a month later and I'm getting ready to start ordering parts. Any changes you would make to the original layout?

Also, what's the deal with the new Nvidia chips? Any idea if my configuration will be compatible with them once they are out?

Thanks!


Should all still be relevent. The new processors for Intel don't come out until February 2011 at the earliest. Which Nvidia chips in particular are you referring to?
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Here is a socket 1366 i7 930 Processor for $199 if you have a Microcenter near you.
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0331303


Hmm, nevermind, looks to be out of stock or the deal is over.

Edited, Oct 25th 2010 2:45pm by Theanrkist
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#21 Oct 25 2010 at 9:44 PM Rating: Default
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Nice Stuff Dude...
i have learned something new in this topic..
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