Atheling Mantle Vs. Other Mantles for WSFollow

Hello,

So... Atheling Mantle: ATK +20 DA +3%

And... Vigilance Mantle +1 STR +5 DEX +5 + 3.75-4.00 ATK

Also... Cerberus Mantle +1 STR +4 +18 ATK

Which of these do you believe would be better in a WS set for Drakesbane/Sonic Thrust/Wheeling Thrust?

Furthermore, with Brutal/Pole Grip/AF3+2 Hands would Atheling pull ahead, or simply fall behind a tad bit?

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TP part

Lancer's Pelerine +30 Wyvern HP, +1% Haste +5 Acc

Atheling Mantle ATK +20 DA +3%

Now, assuming you're at 23% Haste, which of these would be a better tp piece? I understand it's fairly easy to cap haste now, however as we obtain more and more pieces which can cap our haste we still need to move certain things around etc. Ace's Hose - Blitz Ring - Lancer's Pelerine - Certain Haste Hands, etc.

If your haste isn't capped, I guess, the question is which would be more important assuming you're between 18-23% HASTE.

Look forward to replies :D

Hmm, wouldn't Atheling Mantle also be best for TPing?

Minor nit: DRG cannot equip Twilight Belt unfortunately.

I swapped from lancers to atheling as soon as I got it. At this stage of the game, 5acc is completely unneccesary. (May change at 95/99 when we 'might' get new content outside of the playground). So basically i write off teh 5 acc which leaves 1haste vs 3% da.

Drg/Sam: Pole grip, Brutal (most common sources of DA in TP gear)=7%.

Every 100 attack rounds, we get 107 attacks. Adding atheling would be 107 to 110. 110/107=2.8%.

3% DA=2.8% more attacks. How much haste do we need for 1% haste to give us 2.8% more attacks?

64% haste moving to 65% haste with mantle =2.85% more attacks. SO how feasible is 64% haste.

10% hasso
15% Haste Spell
11% 1 march
9% 2nd march
24% gear

69% haste. At this point adding 1% (70%)will be 3.33%. Take away any of these buffs and it falls under.

This still ignores the TWENTY attack. 20 atk is a TON. DA adds 2.8% more attacks. Under the above scenario (lncr brings you to 70%) 1% haste is 3.33%. Will 20 atk make up for 0.53% more hits? Hell yeah it will. 20 atk will still be ~2-4% stronger hits depending on mob def and level, and your atk buffs. You dont get that .53% more TP, but WHILE TPing you will hit a considerable chunk harder and will make up for that and then some.

This is also under virtually ideal buffs, only includes TP from melee (so the actual WS frequency will be far less including jumps, meditate, regain effects, conserve TP etc. AND this is assuming ZERO TP overflow. Long story short, even at 70% haste, that 0.53% more TP from melee attacks is going to be so washed out that it is impercievable and functionally doesnt exist. 20atk DOES increase damage in any circumstance tangibly so long as attack is not capped. As does the DA effect.

Heaven forbid you have less than 64% haste (hasso, haste, 2xmarch required) when the 3% DA will beat out 1% haste straight up BEFORE the atk is included.

Even if we needed the 5 acc these days, 5acc vs 20 atk also favors the atk unless your acc is HORRENDOUS. However, if your acc is THAT bad, teh monster you are fighting is really, really hard/high level meaning that it will have major defense and level correction. Both of which also make atk more powerful as well. (when your Pdif is very low and level correection is huge, adding atk increases damage a LOT). So acc still doesnt really gain an advantage.

Longer story short: Atheling is the sh*t, and it sucks we cant use twilight belt.

It means it increases your melee damage in the TP phase (excluding jumps) by 4.7%. Melee damage is 1/4 of your total damage, 1/4 of 4.7 is around 1.2.

Jumps and WS damage are irrelevant as you gear swap for them. In the case of weaponskills, some stats (like Double/Triple Attack, Accuracy and Haste) also increase your damage from weaponskills from increasing your WS frequency. For example, Example: Going from 50 to 55% haste: Adding 5% Haste increases your TP damage by 11.1% (through the more swings you make with your weapon in that time period) and also your WS frequency by 11.1% (through the extra TP gained from those extra melee swings). So we say it increases TP damage and WS damage by 11.1%. In most job cases TP + WS damage are the only two factors so we can say it increases our total damage by 11.1%.

Dragoon also has jumps. Increases to TP damage or WS damage or frequency have no effect on Jumps at all as jumps recast is on a set timer and we can gear swap everything except weapon/grip. Drg probably has something like a 25/65/10 TP/WS/Jump damage split (as in: 25% of your damage will be from meleeing in the TP phase, 65% of it from weaponskills and 10% from jumps). So in our case that 11.1% haste is only increases 90% of our total damage (it has no effect on jumps as we swap gear out and jump is not affected by TP) for a total increase of 10% to our overall DoT.

Attack only increases our melee TP phase damage, it doesn't give us extra TP or extra swings (increasing our WS frequency), and it doesn't affect jumps as it doesn't matter if you're using Atheling Mantle or not during the TP phase - whichever you're using you can still swap out for something else on jump. For example, TPing in Lancer's Pelerine and Jumping in Atheling or TPing and Jumping in both: the damage from jump remains the same (as jump always uses Atheling in this example) it is only the TP phase damage and weaponskill frequency that change.

I beleive you mean with VV* your DA rate would be 15% inside abyssea. RR doesn't affect DA.