Blitz Ring vs. Flame Ring. ~(Formally Which Grip to use!) Follow

If you're well geared enough to cap ACC, then you should be pulling hate. If you're pulling hate, you should be Seigan TE. I typically only use Hasso as a means to build TP when I'm starting a mob at low TP. Otherwise, it's just not safe.


In before "every merit party I'm in kills the mob in 0.007 seconds so I never take damage."

(Assuming you meant ~94% acc with blitz on) Wow, you happen to be in the EXACT situation that I say Blitz would work. Thanks for reaffirming every one of my major points.

Im not dumb enough to say "Hey, if my acc is capped and im at very high haste levels, 5acc>1% haste" The point im focusing on is that MOST people are not going to be in that situation super often. Changing your gear to poorer setups JUST so that you cap acc and can use 1% haste is not a reason to use it. Its like saying "Im going to lower my Pdif enough so that Heartsnatchers Crits will be better than (insert better dagger here). Dumbing down your gear to create a situation that something like blitz is better is retarded. If you are using Hasso, fully merited polearm, and have OK gear, then using Homam body JUST so you can switch out a ring is not the best chioce.

I am NOT saying blitz has no puprose and there is no situation that its the optimal ring. But its not COMMON because the requirements are top notch gear and a top notch party in ONE merit camp. Why is this so hard to grasp?

Contrary to the beliefs of some of the more 1337 posters on the forum, not everyone has fully pimped out equipment, nor can magically create 2xbrd/cor parties out of thin air, nor know enough OTHER fully pimped DDs to make said party.

I dont know when full homam/aces/ares/Aurum Drgs became the new standard for your avg joe. Yes, most people WITH that kinda of gear/gil are in linkshells with a number of similar calibur players, but it is still just the tip of the playerbase iceberg.



Compared to your enlightening ideas that people without max haste+capped acc quality gear and two brd/cors to pull outta their ass are auto-fail? This was about dispelling some misconceptions about using a blitz ring or making sacrifices in other ways to use it. It has a situational use. the situation is being the Ideal drg in an Ideal party. Ideal=/= rule. Its the exception.

And im saying thats true, with a qualifier. If you have enough acc AND its not by using acc gear that has better atk/damage based alternatives (like homam body vs other bodies, Cuchulain over foragers, or somthing like askar legs over dusk.)

Thats what this whole thing boils down to. If you have acc to do it, but are sacrificing significant other stats, then no blitz is bad because rings are a VERY efficient acc slot, more so than most others that should be changed 1st.

Ring slot should be among the last items you dump acc for in most any build. That old adage has been slipping ever since the 2 handed update.
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Edit: I keep forgetting to mention Barbarossa legs over homam for acc capped stuff to :P Id imagine if 5acc vs 5str is as it is for ring slot, 3acc vs 4 str would probably be more "efficient" than blitz as well, but would need to crunch a few #s before i say that with authority :P

Edited, Jul 31st 2009 11:45pm by Banalaty

Thanks for the clarification boys...

Now to evolve this topic onto something else. Something never talked about.

With proper buffs (2 March + Haste + Hasso), You'd need 30ish~ attack to beat Blitz Ring correct?

Coeurl Subs are 75 Att, Bison Steak is 90 Att, Pizza+ 55 Att.

Swapping to pizza would mean any acc argument flies out the window because you will be capped naked.

The loss in attack is only 35 swapping from bison to pizza. Swapping in Blitz ring would almost complete negate this. Swapping in Anything over Homam Body would beat it.

So the next argument is about the worth of pizza. You only lose 35Att from a good meat like bison, but you will have no acc problems in merits or on any endgame mobs, and you can use things like Ares body and Blitz Ring.

Thoughts?

in after someone anticipates something that isn't coming instead of the actual refutation of their point.

melees, please, don't gimp yourself: keep hasso up as much as possible, and only take it down in an emergency. you get hit, you lose some hate, another melee takes hate. sometimes you super jump. sometimes you high jump. sometimes you non-seigan 3rd eye (yes, we SAMs used third eye back before hasso/seigan, crazy right?). sometimes you have to pop seigan and third eye. hasso should be up the vast majority of the time. fulltime seigan third eye is nothing but laziness, and anyone who tells you different is not thinking it through.

we've been alternating hasso/seigan since it was implemented. the timers are the way they are for a reason. this isn't news, nor is it an "evolution" of seigan use; it's just how sensible players have always done it. you should do it too.

my SAM does more damage than your DRG, doesn't have super jump, and is hasso mostly for pickup parties. if you don't alternate you're lazy or mistaken.

ls event can be different, though it depends.

edit: coming back to this, what a stupid post you made. if you had a brain, you'd know i meant it's lazy not to mind HP/MP/hate and switch hasso/seigan. then you say "yeah, defending myself is lazy." i'm actually offended. fuck you. think fucking harder when you argue/justify yourself/whatever you're doing with me, don't waste my time.

Edited, Aug 1st 2009 11:09am by milich

You don't need comparable dds. I never get comparable DDs when I go sam/war to birds w/ tomoe. You don't need ones comparable, just sones competent enough to kill at a decent speed. Evoker + ballad + refresh (or sublimation in whm's case) is more than enough to keep you at fulltime hasso even if you have hate fulltime, as long as your dds don't suck so bad that you're doing 50+% of the dmg in a 3 dd pt and u have a decent kill speed.

Who pissed in your cereal this morning milich? Seriously.

The thing that makes me so dubious about Blitz Ring's 1% (or 2.7% as the situation may be) DoT increase is that is a theoretical maximum which assumes constant swinging. There must be a mob staged for auto-target and within range so that your delay counter never misses a beat. Any failures to have another mob claimed, within your line of sight, and within striking distance before your next hit are ready diminishes that small return it's providing.

All calculated DoT increases from Haste are maximums.

If the mob has 50 HP left and you do 75 a swing, assuming the hit will connect, adding 5000 Attack and 5000 STR along with 80% Double Attack won't make you any more powerful because the excess is wasted when considering "perfect damage".

DoT increases from atk/str are maximums too, at least in terms of "perfect damage" (which in the end should be what you care about the most, parser performance is an indication of a trend rather than an exact result).

Depends on the event. he ~30 atk is only at lolibri with high attack (2xmin+food on super squishy colibri). I dont know what "events" your refrencing, but most of my endgame events feature mobs a little more stalwart than colibri making the attack even more important. Higher level mobs will need far less attack to beat the same % of haste as in a good merit party. I usually dont bother with 3 hour foods at event because most events have High probability of death (dynamis, Einherjar, certain jailers etc), have pansy mobs (farming T pots for despot, lower salvage floors, Nyzul, etc), or the event isnt anywhere near 3 hours (einherjar/nyzul, salvage etc) or some ocmbination of the above.

Even on event nights, im often asked to change jobs (Say Drg for Einherjar, then Thf for sky farming for example) and depending on what were doing, i may have a high chance at death negating the value of 3hour foods.

For "farming" sea/sky, theres usually more than enough fire power to beat repops etc so i really dont care to pop a pizza and do some gear swaps like blitz just for farming aerns. Kabobs work just fine for situations where hitting that min-max really doesnt matter when you got a full alliance killing VT mobs faster than they repop. If we split up into smaller ~1party groups for various sky farming then, sure ill do a little more, but most of those mobs are still VT and under except for diorite.

I suppose depending on your events and the role youplay in your LS, it could be feasible, but pizza has no place for me except when i merit Thf at mamool, or feel that its important as Thf on some other big event that failure is not an option (i bring a couple pizzas when i go Thf to Odin for example), but some HNMs...death potential is just to high for me to care about bringing 30k in pizzas for a fight that wont even last 3 hours.

Really, i can think of anything I do on drg that would ever warrent pizza except maybe some number crunching for mamool camp, but im content with my ~400 acc in ares body even at mamool and just throw angons at lurkers and they magically go away.

Not sure if you were just rounding down, but it's actually a 2.77% increase, or 2.78 if you round up from 2.77777777~

Re-reading the comment in question, it's clear that I did miss the overall message.

However, you have to realize leading off your response with "my SAM does more damage than your drg" isn't the best first impression to a comment.

It probably would have been better if I explained my reasoning for asking.

The reason I asked is because there are basically 2 ways I've seen haste calculated

1/100-initial haste
1/100-total haste

1/100-63 = 1/37 = 2.7027027~ which is easy enough to call 2.70~2.7
1/100-64 = 1/36 = 2.77777777~ 2.78

Which I'm sure the latter would be the correct way because lets look at 99 to 100 haste

1/100-99 = 1/1 = 100% increase
1/100-100 = 1/0 = undefined = infinite increase (0 delay, ect infinite attacks)

Oh, yea. Lol I wasn't saying there were 2 correct ways to do it, I just know that some don't include the haste they added.