Fay lanceFollow

I just burned 5 charges on my third lance last night and the fifth was 3dmg 3dex Blindness+7... Maybe I'll try this one out doing FoV, but I already got a 5dmg 1str 3dex... Hmmm.

[update]

Just tested in cape terrigan for closeness, proc is pretty often, but blind, even on EP/DC mobs (without signet) isn't gonna do sh*t to a drg... Still have crap evasion, and like hell I'm going to wear eva gear.

Prob gonna npc this thing sooner or later.

Edited, Jul 30th 2009 11:14pm by Byxfluzba

If this is true, well, Stun is lightning based, good luck trying to get an En-Stun everybody. Sounds very nice.

Attempt #4
DMG+2 Fire Resist +4
Add. Effect: Paralysis +8

*Kept* Could be good for soloing?

-New lance-

Attempt #5
DMG+3 STR+1 DEX+1

*Refused* since I still have 4 charges left, if I accepted I'd probably keep trying for better anyway. Still hoping for a DMG+4 and I'll be happy.

EDIT: Tested my new lance on Lesser Colibri. The en-paralyze rarely proced (8% of the time I suppose) and when it did, it didn't last long, maybe 45seconds. Very rarely proced. I got a total of two "The lesser colibri is paralyzed" out of about 6 colibris. Not much of a sample space but still.. Blergh. These are EPs, I can't see it doing much against a VT-equivalent. Will prolly NPC once/if I get a better lance.

Edited, Aug 1st 2009 8:49pm by LordFaramir

Odin owes no one anything. He reminds me of this every time I fight him.

Yeah he can be a real bitch about drops. Last run he only dropped 3 items, 2 of which went freelot -_- But hey, Odin's Chamber again tonight. He rained forks before I joined, so it's just a matter of time~

Okay, I'm upto my fourth Lance since I just (probably stupidly) accepted DMG+5 DEX+2 on the first try of my third Lance.

So I have:

DMG+4 STR+2 DEX+3
DMG+5 DEX+2

Which one do I NPC and which do I use in the meantime?!

I would use the +5 DMG one. While it doesn't have STR, your weapons base damage will make more of a difference than +2 STR will.

I remember when I first started doing Einherjar one guy showed up on his DRG(usually he was on THF or RDM) in decent gear but was using a Mez. I asked why he was using a Mez instead of Thal and he actually said "Because 2STR helps my damage more than the 2DEX on Thal."

I asked him, what about the +1DMG on Thal. He said the 2STR on Mez made up for the +1DMG Thal has.

The worst part is this @#%^ was given a Mandau by his LS and then left, taking with him the currency you get back when you get the dagger. This left the LS in a huge debt because they borrowed the last of the currency they needed thinking they could pay it back once the guy got the dagger and the currency you get refunded. So he got a relic and a millions worth of currency for free.

Not quite. 1dex=0.75acc. 2acc=1% hit rate. You just added .75 straight to the hit rate per point of dex. Its really half that bonus or 0.375%. Anyway, the difference between them will actually will be either +0acc (25% or the time), or +1acc (75% of the time). Even IF you get +1 acc, its only +0.5% hit rate.

If starting at 90% hit rate
3dex=2-3acc (2=75%, 3=25%) or 91%-91.5%(91=75%, 91.5=25%)
2dex=1-2acc 50/50 chance of both. 90.5%-91%

(however, the maximum difference is only 1acc. You cant have 90.5acc with 2dex, then get 91.5acc with 3 dex. Those are just the minimum/maximums in a vacuum, but adding a single point is just a 75/25 split to add +1acc or 0.5% hit rate)

But it all depends on your base dex so you can determine if you personally will get in any gear you use.



on melee hits, there is only a 50% chance to match 95 base damage. On WS, you must get that 50% from Fstr AND need that 2str to raise WSC by 1 (its actually more than 2str to raise WSC on a 50% mod because of the charactor level junk.) 1str is really equal to 41.5% mod on Drake/Wheeling at lv75.

At best, the 2str will bump up +1 fstr, 2 atk and the +dex will give you 0.5% more hitrate. Worst case is str does nothing but 1 atk and the dex also does nothing, and possibly even str doing nothing on WS.

Worst case=D94+1atk vs D95
Best case=D94+1fst+2atk+1acc vs D95
The BEST case it wins by 2atk and 1 acc, but the chances of getting ALL those numbers to fall perfectly is slim and any other time it will loose.

D95 is the "safer" bet because it will usually pull ahead. There will be the occasional time when the D94 would win, but only by a TINY margin of less than 1% (.5acc and 2atk is very minor). Really, its just like Mez vs Thal if Mez had+3 dex. Mez still looses overall, and once in a blue moon can scrape ahead by a margin so small that it wont make up all the other times it looses.

Now D95+3str+3dex....hawt. But ill be content with my Thal till Odin dumps out a Vfork :P

Edited, Aug 3rd 2009 3:39pm by Banalaty

I would think not a lot of people use it mainly because it takes more to get a 6-hit due to it's lower delay. Not saying it's a bad polearm, because it isn't. It's just easier to maintain a 6-hit build with a Thal or Vfork which is what a lot of people gear for.

I don't want to get into the whole 6-hit discussion again since it's been talked about on here a lot but it's why I personally think most people don't use a Celtine even though it's a good weapon when using Drakesbane.

I havent bothered with cletine because im 1 of 2 veteran drg mains in my LS so im getting the 1st or second Fork that drops. I dont want more rare/ex crap and thats what cletine would become soon as i get a fork. Also, If you dont use Drakesbane, the Cletine falls behind Thal iirc. I still use Wheeling regularly as I go Drg for DD for big game if the 1 Thf slot is already taken. (also lots of einherjar :P) and use penta often enough for SC purposes or just for fun.

They are very close with cletine pulling ahead if you use Drakes and dont have 6 hit with a 492. 6hit being the undetermined wild card, but Thal is just a placeholder for me. If there were chance at me getting fork, then i would probably pick one up and swap depending on situation. But not worth it to me. But I would recommend having both if Thal/Cletine are the best you will ever get. However, with Fay lance existing now, id change that to "If fork is outta the question, get a good D95 Fay lance.

I completely whiffed on acc. I'll redo for a correct comparison. (edit above)



I included the level mod (0.83) on the 50% STR mod in the above equation. So the D94 +2str +3dex still wins most of the time, although very slightly. The equations show an .5 fstr which is the "avg" of a given situation (factoring in when in will and wont hit the next fstr).



Edited, Aug 3rd 2009 7:03pm by doctorugh

My Drg is only 67 atm, but im used to keeping fSTR at a level where i dont waste any uneeded STR (135 for casting on blue mage). Blue is pretty easy to manipulate your stats on for this.

Um, fifth lanece down, very last charge was dmg+4 str+2 additional flash, think I'm gonna keep it for solo mabye.
Gonna keep going till I get my ideal of dmg+5 str+2 or more, and additional stun.

Luckily they are pretty cheap now, at least on Fenrir that is. 60k for 5 chances at getting something better than Thal is worth the money.

Keep trying until you get DMG +5

It's such a small side grade, you're probably still better with the Thalassocrat.

Keep that one and buy a new lance till you get even better.

So what happens when your wyvern dies and all that Pet gear does absolutely nothing for you? I hope you at least have a second set of gear for those occasions.

"it's your 12.95 a month, but it's our 64.75 a month and we don't want you in our party"

Just did my fay lance 3rd run of first lance and got

DMG+3 STR +2 DEX +3

I accepted that, as i felt it wasnt gunna get much better. Should I decide i want better, ill buy a new lance =D Thankfully they are going down in price nicely. Although i dont think its good enough to warrant selling my Thallassocrat.

And am I right in reading you can have more than 1 augmented Fay Lance? Cuz thats damn useful.

Then nobody cares about your gear.

I had a HORRIBLE augment a few runs ago. Ice Damage +11... AND THAT'S IT. ONE augment. Then my last charge was so close to being good.... STR+3 Earth Damage+18. No DMG ; ;