The official "rate my gear" threadFollow

Considering 6str, 6vit, 7 attack, I would use it for stuff like wheeling and jumps in absence of Heca, zahaks, nuevo, aurum, ares... I'm not sure about comparing it to askar, though I'd still use AF+1 for jump for the vit.

Edited, Apr 22nd 2009 6:23am by Byxfluzba

Not everyone has access to The Wyrmking Descends, Noodles.

My group to stop farting around and get past Promyvion-Vahzl, mostly; a lack of people on or past ZM16 also tends to create issues.

Also, more people I can rely on to get things done. At the moment I'm counting five, and that's including myself.

I meant in general among people I know, but fair enough. May give it some experimentation after exam season.

Not everyone who does Bv2 has lot rules that allow for being able to lot the ores.


Plus how does lotting (going by my server prices) a 300k ore magically transform itself through a 91smithing synth into an ingot, then magically transforming it through a 92smithing synth into a sheet, then adding it to An orichalcum chain which requires TWO 250k~ orichalcum ingots and a 91goldsmithing synth, a 110k water bead, and about 25-30k worth of other mats... How exactly does that make barone corazza 'pretty much' free.




I like to go arround claiming that full wyrm is my melee set, and full drachen+1 is my WS set for luls. This of course, ONLY when I'm not claiming I TP in hecatomb because a drk once claimed I did, so it must be true.

And you're losing 550k of profit.

Read much?

Assuming you were at the stage I suggest above, what else would there be left to buy? Your lance, head, body, hands, feet, legs and belt would be ra/ex, you'd already have a PCC if not sea neck pieces. You'd have the correct AH rings already, as well as Amem+1, Cuch or Forager's already. You'd also have zahaks and tiphia, if not tathlum.

What else would there be left to buy?

Less "OMG BARONE NEVER GOOD" more reading the actual posts.

Come on Byx, I thought you were the "Best Drg on your server"? Starting not to sound like it.

Gear to get other jobs levelled, perhaps. Maybe you run an endgame LS. Maybe, as Byx suggested, you're trying to fund a Gungnir, or Ares.

That aside, though, I've already stated you can ask your WHM, RDM or even BRD for some form of Regen while idle, the only exception being if you're in a pickup group and they either don't speak English or are retards (in which case I assume you're meriting, and in which case the whole concept of an idle set is a bit moot anyway)

So why do so many endgame players, melee and mages, buy Orochi Nodawa? Here's a hint: They wont be meleeing in it.

-Dmg and Regen/Refresh idle sets are useful. Stop letting your emotions (your hatred for Barone) cloud your judgement. For Drg: If you have nothing else left to buy then the next step is very-highly-situational setups like this

I see an awful lot of mages and melee idle in it when not engaged/casting for it to just be for farming.

The reason you dont see barone as much as it is because as you said: it's only for 2 jobs, both of whom are pretty useless compared to other jobs (that the player of a good shell most likely has leveled) for hnm.

But if you have the resources and the gil that you have everything else, which was always what I was suggesting in the first place, then my point still stands.

There is no argument, apart from the cost of obtaining the piece/s, against regen pieces being used when you're healing HP or not engaged. I'm sorry there just isn't. That goes for Barone, Orochi and Crimson. The only other argument you may have is for Wyvern Regen. But if you're recovering a lot of HP (like after weakness), then your wyvern is likely dead. If not, then the choice of drachen vs barone is down to whether you value your wvern's life more than your own or not. If you're not /Mage, your wyvern really isn't a big priority (read: you're an angon *****).

If theres nothing else you can buy for your job, and you have gil saved up you want to spend on that job, then these pieces are an option.
You wouldn't dig into your savings account for groceries when you have a weekly income (Everyone can farm Ladybugs or whatever to get gil for food or tools.)

Edited, Apr 25th 2009 2:37am by Noodles

"I dont need haste gear because the rdm can just haste me".

Noodles has a sound argument. Its a situational piece but if you have nothing else to spend your money on its only one more line in the old spellcast XML. Accually a few more if you also macro it in for jumps. Which you might as well since you have it right? Its a situational piece no doubt about it. I'm not ganna call some one stupid for having it, if they have a good set up where money cant advance them any further.

Say there is some one eating mithkabobs on mamools and cant afford a decent ws build and is using an iron ram lance then yeah you have a point Barone probably shouldn't be their priority.

I'm hoping your being overly negative to keep people away from setting Barone body as a priority. In stead of just being overly negative because you truly cant see the use in a situational piece.

They stack.

Indeed they do. However, I'm actually struggling to think of a situation where you'd have so little STP that an extra 4 TP per Jump would actually be useful rather than wasted. It would basically require you to have strictly fewer than four points of STP (eliminates Rajas Ring and /SAM), not be getting hit (so that removes soloing, which also means its a no-need-for-Regen situation), and be abusing one-hit WS. And to an extent it would necessitate having both Jump and High Jump available between each WS, which is impossible unless your Accuracy is so poor that you're hitting 100% TP every three minutes.

Effectively, this makes combining Barone body and legs a poor surrogate for an X-hit build.

Edited, Apr 26th 2009 7:52pm by Lucinus

Because STP is not absolute.
Jump TP bonuses should not be used in STP calculations, however you can not deny they increse the chance of shaving off yet another hit occasionally, when added to enemy attacks recieved and meditate.

Think of it this way: Use TP bonuses on top of a 6hit setup, occasionally you may get a 5 hit. To stress again: You don't biuild around it, but you accept it's benefit ontop of other factors you can not quantify on paper.

you got it backwards, 4 dex = 3 acc and 4 str = 3 atk.

go for woodsman's ring over snipers, should be cheaper and (arguably) better.

Yep, although I'd look to pushing Enkys to WS set (maybe) and using Battle Gloves or AF hands (when you get them) for TP. Also consider Republic Subligar over Crow hose (for WS at least).

Other than that, agreeing on Woodsmans, they are marginally better than snipers, for the simple reason that drg doesn't evade anyway.

Mermans Gorget and 55 and Chiv Chain at 60 (expensive, however) are good. Aim (if you can) for Amemet+1 at 61, again it's expensive but it's such a great piece. Spike @ 55 will replace tortoise earrings and afaik are pretty similar. Assault earring is 58, and whilst a very small upgrade at this time, if you can aford it, it's worth getting, it's probably our 2nd best ear option in the game. No real rush if you dont have the gil though, a Woodsman's ring should definitely take priority.

Apart from that... you're /War right? If not, then you should be.

I'd sell those two other rings: Garolous is an overpriced Sun Ring (AGI is useless). And Unyielding does not yield anything of worth for Drg.

Tonight was a great night for drops, got palla's and alky's. Deciding to sell alky's (800k so i get half)

Since the only other thing i use for WS atm is my Wyrm hands (tp piece is askar) would pallas be a good Drakesbane piece for now, or not even worth it?

N.hands will be a future option, for now though I don't see me getting them any time soon.

Strictly Drakes bane piece Id say Zahak's mail.

Personally I TP in it, but I've got ace's helm, so with the other gear I've got, I'm essentially trading 1% haste and 1-2acc(W. Turban + Homam body) to gain 14STR 10DEX +3% crit rate in my TP build. As usual, it's all situational.

Out of curiosity why does everyone benchmark against these? Is it just because they're convenient? It seems like it'd make more sense to use bigger game as a standard to parse against for gauging gear differences.

They're the only real camp where there is practically no variation in what you're fighting.

You can't realistically use mamools as a bench mark because thfs, nins, wyverns and puks skew stats in all ways.

You can't realistically use trolls as a bench mark because plds, automatons, petrify and stoneskin skew stats in all ways.

" " dynamis.
" " limbus.
" " HNM, unless you want to compile about a hundred of the same mob...

Colibri just works.

Well, yes. Typically I just gear myself with the best that's going. Assault static's still burning through to my Amir Boots, Nyzul's starting soon so I'll be bending my mate's arm to get an Askar body (he's already said he owes me loads, though, so take that as metaphorically as you will), my LS wants to start ZNM soon so I'm looking at bits of Aurum...

Colibri are just a low-end benchmark as far as I'm concerned.

The problem is they don't make these changes. They carry 2 sets of gear, TP and WS, and nothing else. It isn't just DRG but all types of DD.

What makes me laugh the most is when I see a DW WAR/NIN in Einherjar rocking an Askar body full-time and offhanding a Joytoy.