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#1 Jan 07 2012 at 8:35 PM Rating: Default
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So I just finished getting the Kantonotachi, I'm wondering what the best Atma set up is for Shoha?
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#2 Jan 08 2012 at 7:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Apoc, VV, Griffin's Claw
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#3 Jan 08 2012 at 12:21 PM Rating: Excellent
I think Smiting Blow might do more than Griffin's Claw as long as he WS'd as soon as he got 100% TP.
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#4 Jan 08 2012 at 3:58 PM Rating: Good
Is Apoc better than Stout Arm? Does the triple attack proc often on the ws?
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#5 Jan 08 2012 at 5:31 PM Rating: Default
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Thanks for the reply's everyone.
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Ok, I tried a few different combos and it seems that VV, Apoc, and GC did the most dmg for spike and for average. I didn't check out VV, SA and GC yet though so I'll do that tonight. But with the first set I pulled off quit a few 6k and 7k WS's off.
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#7 Jan 11 2012 at 12:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Vlorsutes, Lord of Stuff wrote:
I think Smiting Blow might do more than Griffin's Claw as long as he WS'd as soon as he got 100% TP.

I'm assuming he's wielding the TP bonus GKT.
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#8 Jan 11 2012 at 7:10 PM Rating: Excellent
VZX wrote:
Vlorsutes, Lord of Stuff wrote:
I think Smiting Blow might do more than Griffin's Claw as long as he WS'd as soon as he got 100% TP.

I'm assuming he's wielding the TP bonus GKT.


is there any hope left for masamune :C? lol i have both kantonotachi and masamune 85, am i crazy for using masamune most of the time? its one of those cases where i WANT masamune to be useful but deep down inside, i know otherwise... D:
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Debating also if I should make Masamune or Caladbold since my friends are doing Almace and I get the leftover empyrean XD Fudo kinda comparable to Shoha or does it really blow Fudo out of the sky? Torcleave vs Resolution, Fudo vs Shoha? Fun times...
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#10 Jan 11 2012 at 8:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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Debating also if I should make Masamune or Caladbold since my friends are doing Almace and I get the leftover empyrean XD Fudo kinda comparable to Shoha or does it really blow Fudo out of the sky? Torcleave vs Resolution, Fudo vs Shoha? Fun times...


fudo is... good. shoha is on its own category of awesome.
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Kinda hoping we get to fully merit more then 3 new WS in the upcoming months... 25 WS upgrades instead of 15 would be awesome :)
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KaynofTitan wrote:
VZX wrote:
Vlorsutes, Lord of Stuff wrote:
I think Smiting Blow might do more than Griffin's Claw as long as he WS'd as soon as he got 100% TP.

I'm assuming he's wielding the TP bonus GKT.


is there any hope left for masamune :C? lol i have both kantonotachi and masamune 85, am i crazy for using masamune most of the time? its one of those cases where i WANT masamune to be useful but deep down inside, i know otherwise... D:

Someone argued with me in FFXIAH that I shouldn't underestimate Masamune DoT by opening the fight with 300TP Fudo and spam Shoha. Well, all I'm saying is it's the optimum way of using Masamune in Voidwatch, but Kantonotachi still holds the same basic principle like any WS : unleash it as soon as you got 100+ TP. The ODD from Masamune white phase must be strong enough to cover ~400 damage difference between both weapons' 100TP shoha if Masamune wants to win. But, the difference shouldn't be something obvious, if there's any (meaning they're probably the same).

hyunkyl wrote:
Debating also if I should make Masamune or Caladbold since my friends are doing Almace and I get the leftover empyrean XD Fudo kinda comparable to Shoha or does it really blow Fudo out of the sky? Torcleave vs Resolution, Fudo vs Shoha? Fun times...

I still suggest people making Almace than Kannagi because Almace specifically changes the job for their wielders, be it BLU, PLD, or RDM; CDC is a very strong WS, relatively speaking, compared to Vorpal Blade. The damage difference is not in the magnitude of 400 damage just like Masamune's shoha vs Kantonotachi Shoha, it's larger than that.

Edited, Jan 12th 2012 7:10pm by VZX
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#13 Jan 12 2012 at 11:26 PM Rating: Decent
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I use VV, SA and Apoc, no troubles oneshotting most mobs with a decent WS setup (while /war).

Fudo is awesome because Fudo to Shoha makes light for awesome damage and ODD aftermath, so Masa is clearly the superior option if you have it. Main problem I see with Masa compared to Kantonotachi is the weird *** delay on the former, which can mess up your X hit outside Abyssea (unless you own a regain earring).

Shoha completely destroys Fudo, both inside and outside. As much as I enjoy playing with it, I have to admit it needs to be nerfed. There's something wrong if I can wreck Vere holders and most Ukons, and have a sick 5-hit, spamming 4-7k damage every 15 seconds. It's just not fair.

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#14 Jan 15 2012 at 8:31 PM Rating: Decent
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I use VV, SA and Apoc, no troubles oneshotting most mobs with a decent WS setup (while /war).

Fudo is awesome because Fudo to Shoha makes light for awesome damage and ODD aftermath, so Masa is clearly the superior option if you have it. Main problem I see with Masa compared to Kantonotachi is the weird *** delay on the former, which can mess up your X hit outside Abyssea (unless you own a regain earring).

Or Atmacite of Coercion, which, as a DD in VWNM, you should have one maxed to level 15.
The perfectness of X-hit build is debatable if you're doing VWNM.

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Shoha completely destroys Fudo, both inside and outside. As much as I enjoy playing with it, I have to admit it needs to be nerfed. There's something wrong if I can wreck Vere holders and most Ukons, and have a sick 5-hit, spamming 4-7k damage every 15 seconds. It's just not fair.


Now this completely contradictory to what you've just said earlier.
7k only possible in Abyssea being 2 triple attack landed, netting you a 6-hit shoha. 2k-2.4k is the default number on Shoha outside, with 3k-3.6k are the spike if you got 1~2x double attack landed.

To my calculation, Fudo isn't far behind (0~200 dmg) if you're comparing it to Shoha at 100 TP on Masamune.

I don't really see there's any necessity on nerfing. Ukko's WAR outside still can deal 4.4k easily on target I can only deal 3k Shoha on it.
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#15 Jan 16 2012 at 12:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Maybe I wasn't clear, Masa ODD Aftermath makes up for using Fudo and then using a slightly weaker Shoha, for a light SC and ODD. As an individual WS, face to face, Shoha is miles ahead of Fudo (with Kantonotachi and 100%TP). Fudo comes closer if you have buffs (think temps and brd, dunno if meat is viable with ACC issues on VW), but a Kantonotachi Shoha is the strongest 100TP WS SAM can get.

Masa makes a SAM more versatile and is far from useless. Actually, IMO if you are actually meleeing it's better, much better, despite Kantonotachi Shoha being almost broken (I'll concede the Ukko's point).

TL;DR. If meleeing, Masa wins and it's worth it to wait and sit on TP and self SC light. Konzen-Ittai is beast.

If you only run in to WS at 100TP, and/or spam 100% WS, Kantonotachi is better (Can make light with Kasha but no Aftermath, and Fudo>Kasha, so it's a spam weapon, just like Gekko+Hagun was).

Edited, Jan 16th 2012 12:24am by Cigarman
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#16 Jan 16 2012 at 2:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Fudo is more capable generating accidental Light SC. If anything I can say what's good about Masa now, I'll say that, it can chain the 1st light to final light.
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#17 Jan 18 2012 at 1:22 AM Rating: Decent
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With Sekka, some Haste, good timing with meditate and some luck you can do (outside Abyssea):

Kasha (1300DMG) -> (Shoha 2500DMG) -> Light (3000ish) -> Fudo (2000DMG) -> Double Light (4700DMG). That's a potential 13500 Damage every 5 minutes. Amazing huh?

Inside Abyssea, assuming the best possible scenario:

Kasha (3800DMG) -> (Shoha 7300DMG) -> (Light 8100DMG) -> Fudo (6000DMG) -> Double Light (11000DMG). 36200 damage if you get lucky on DA/TA procs and no resists.

That's another utility on Masa. Can also do it under Meikyo.

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#18 Jan 18 2012 at 12:34 PM Rating: Decent
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You are really trying to redefine 'utility' for 'variation' replacement.
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