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#1 Dec 31 2011 at 1:01 PM Rating: Good
As the title says, I'm starting to think about a 5 hit. Here's my current TP gear:

Keito+2 Pole Grip --- Thew Bomblet
Unkai+2 Chiv Chain Brutal Kemas
Unkai+2 Ace's Rajas Keen
Atheling Bullwhip Unkai+2 Ace's

So according to my calculations, I need 2 more STP to make it to a 5 hit, but I'm not sure what to give up. The two options I'm looking at are 1) getting rid of Ace's Mufflers (the -4 STP hurts), and replacing them with Dusk +1 so I don't lose any haste (or NQ Dusk, which I already have, but would lose 1% haste), and 2) replacing Bullwhip Belt with Goading Belt.

The problem with 1) is that I'd lose the "Enhances Zanshin effect", as well as requiring me to carry around another piece of gear to macro in for STR on ws (unless I want to keep ace's for that, but it seems silly to do so just for the STR when I can get another piece of gear without -4 STP). However, with 2) I'd be losing 2% haste. Is that as big a deal overall? My initial thought is that keeping the Zanshin bonus will outweigh the haste, but I haven't done any math in my head to support that. I'm interested to see what some more knowledgeable SAMs think. If you have any other suggestions as well, please feel free to share.
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#2 Jan 01 2012 at 11:34 AM Rating: Default
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Why not kill Mict for the Nodowa?
#3 Jan 01 2012 at 4:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Killing that horrible PITA NM aside, Hoard Ring over Keen, gives 4. Then you can swap out Chiv for Agasaya. Easy :D
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#4 Jan 01 2012 at 10:15 PM Rating: Good
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Not saying these are better choices but they are some options...

Unkai Mimikazari earring
Granted its only 1 sTP but does give Enhances Zanshin effect since you were worried about losing that in an other combination. Not to mention it's tough to give up 2STR, 2VIT and 4Acc.


Misuucho Kappa back
Def:12, sTP +3, Double Atk +3%
I am using that mainly because I don't have Atheling yet (damn crappy lots). Is 20 Atk worth 3 sTP?

Rose Strap
Is sTP +4 worth losing 2% DA from Pole Grip?



Do you have any merits in to sTP?
Some how I missed you having Ace's Mufflers with the -4sTP, and I was thinking you were... well I wasn't thinking.....




Edited, Jan 1st 2012 10:28pm by HockeyWinger
#5 Jan 01 2012 at 10:38 PM Rating: Good
I thought about Hoard Ring, but the STR- and DEX- make it less appealing. I know that's not a big deal as long as I swap it out for WS, but I think the nodowa may be a good alternative until I can get agasaya.
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#6 Jan 02 2012 at 4:13 AM Rating: Excellent
If you can afford it or can readily do VW for it, Tyrant Ring's offers the same Store TP that a Hoard Ring does, but the other stats are far better in its place (Attack +8, AGI -4 instead of STR and DEX -4).
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#7 Jan 02 2012 at 1:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Daimakaicho, Eater of Souls wrote:
As the title says, I'm starting to think about a 5 hit. Here's my current TP gear:

Keito+2 Pole Grip --- Thew Bomblet
Unkai+2 Chiv Chain Brutal Kemas
Unkai+2 Ace's Rajas Keen
Atheling Bullwhip Unkai+2 Ace's

So according to my calculations, I need 2 more STP to make it to a 5 hit, but I'm not sure what to give up. The two options I'm looking at are 1) getting rid of Ace's Mufflers (the -4 STP hurts), and replacing them with Dusk +1 so I don't lose any haste (or NQ Dusk, which I already have, but would lose 1% haste), and 2) replacing Bullwhip Belt with Goading Belt.

Uhhh... you definitely overkilling the STP there

You got 40 STP base at lv90 with full STP merit.
Keito/Kantonotachi base TP return is 12.2
20/12.2 = 1.639 -> 1.64 STP coefficient on average on all hits

Unkai Kabuto, Domaru, and Haidate +2 already puts you at 1.65 STP coefficient. Now you add Rajas, Ace's Leggings, Brutal, and Chiv, That's 8 extra STP counting the Ace's -4 STP.

Also, I'd sell Tyrant if I got the drop.

Here's my current setup for 5-hit build, but relying on shoha landing main and 1 subsequent hit
 
Kantonotachi    | Pole     | ---      | Thew 
Mekira-oto      | Unkai    | Unkai    | Brutal 
Mekira Meikogai | Ace's    | Rajas    | Hoard 
Misuuchi Kappa  | Phasmida | Unkai +2 | Ace's 


I don't see it particularly annoying as of yet to miss some STP on current content because:
- In Abyssea, you'll most likely get VV for regain+2, You can ease a lot of your STP gear
- In Voidwatch, you can get up to regain +3 with Atmacite of Coercion. Not to mention Save TP+20 from Atmacite of Discipline.

So that pretty much loosen up a lot of STP gear restriction.
Maybe until Neo Nyzul comes, we'll be getting strict with the STP gear again

Edited, Jan 2nd 2012 7:09pm by VZX
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#8 Jan 02 2012 at 4:12 PM Rating: Good
I appreciate all the advice! I ended up getting the Unkai Nodowa last night in between helping my LS with glavoid pops, so that covers me for now. I don't do VW, so all of that rare/ex gear, while nice, is unobtainable for me right now. I do need to adjust my inside-abyssea gear set, but as I'm rarely in abyssea on SAM anyway, it hasn't been a priority yet.
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