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#1 May 05 2011 at 9:51 AM Rating: Good
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With the SAM forums basically dead, I figured I would post this here just to try and get something going. I finally got around to finishing my Unkai Domaru+2, and the added Store TP from it is going to let me switch from Goading to Bullwhip belt. It occurred to me to wonder where else I could make improvements. Ultimately I want to keep a true 5-hit, since I mostly play my SAM outside of Abyssea, with capped Haste. I also want to maximize my damage as much as possible. I've played around with Kinematics's spreadsheets a lot, and I just can't seem to come up a definitive set. So I figure I would ask the community what the current standards are and what I should be aiming for. Here are my current basic sets:

TP:
Hiradennotachi+2/Rose/Thew
Unkai+2/Unkai/Brutal/Centaurus
Unkai+2/Dusk/Hoard/Rajas
Atheling/Goading/Unkai+2/Ace's

Total Store TP: 52 (21.5 TP/hit), Total Gear Haste: 21%

WS (Fudo):
Hiradennotachi+2/Rose/Thew
Varangian/Snow Gorget/Brutal/Centaurus
Byrnie+1/Heafoc/Spiral/Rajas
Unkai/Snow Belt/Unkai+2/Unkai+2

Total Store TP: 17 (17.4 TP/hit)

Some upgrades I know I want to make are Centaurus to Attack/TP Bonus Moonshade for WS, and I need to go turn that Goading in to a Bullwhip. Some gear I have available but not currently using on SAM: Unkai Mimikazari and Ace's Mufflers. I am considering getting a White Tathlum for my TP build which would let me use my Ace's Mufflers. I know I could simply turn the Dusk in to +1 for more haste and attack, but I would rather not drop 4 mil on them if I can avoid it. I could also simply /DRG and easily hit the haste cap with Wyvern earring, but I prefer to stay /WAR for double attack and berserk purposes. I'd love to be able to get rid of the Hoard Ring and Rose Strap since neither brings anything to me but Store TP and/or negative stats. Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.
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#2 May 09 2011 at 4:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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You cant really do better than a 5hit setup unless you are A) willing to spend money and B) Find yourself getting marches a majority of the time. A 6hit setup will do better than a 5hit setup with marches/haste/hasso, you would need to be able to either buy a juogi or have the friends to get you the mats, and along with obtaining zelus. This would allow you to have capped gear haste(25% if you dont have +1 dusk or aces though), more DA, and wear w/e you want on back/ring/neck/ammo and grip. You could even use sword strap to increase your swing speed. With these buffs you can plug it into kines spreadsheet and see that its much better than a 5hit both inside and outside. W/o marches theyre about even give or take if not 5hit being slightly better.

Askar body can be another alternative, but I think outside its either exactly the same or comes out just barely below a 5hit. Again it would have to depend on your situation of haste buffs that you find yourself in.

Outside of that, and any costs that you would have to make if you didnt have the resources to farm them up, 5hit that you have is probably just fine for now, til something better comes along.

Personally I have an elvaan model, so the whole domaru look is horrible, and the unkai head with the body combo is really terrible for my race. Going with the 6hit was not only better for my situation of buffs but also looked nicer or I should say bearable, the tiara isnt the best looking head piece but it beats out wearing a satellite on your head.........now if I could only find a way to get rid of ace's feet...
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#3 May 09 2011 at 2:12 PM Rating: Good
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Thanks for the response. I am an Elvaan too and totally hate the look of Unkai Domaru, especially with Dusk hands. I don't mind all the other Unkai pieces, but it just looks all boxy and chunky with Domaru. Ace's feet look like the level 21 or whatever bone gear, which I also hate. I'd love to turn those into Usukane feet which look nicer and have more store TP, but then I'd drop a haste %. I'm not a fan of Zelus either, and I'd have to drop Unkai's Store TP to use it.

One thing I notice I don't like about playing with my current build: the 17.4TP WS hit. One nice perk about a 5-hit is how 20/hit matches perfectly with 20/tic on Meditate. If I do a WS while Meditate is running, I have to wait an extra tic before WSing again cause of that missing 2.6TP (assuming no Conserve TP proc). Its a minor quibble, since I still can easily self-Light with Meditate alone, but I hate ever seeing 97-99TP.

I think I'll monitor the market on Dusk gloves +1 and a White Tathlum. Those should free me up a bit.
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#4 May 15 2011 at 4:58 AM Rating: Good
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I guess the only 3 upgrades to make is the moonshade earring but thats not exactly easy time wise. The bullwhip belt and White Tathlum for 24% haste in gear whilst keeping the 5HIT would beat all builds. I guess for Fudo zerk is very important, for none Fudo Sam's /DRG is still the way to go (imo). Also, If you can Augment your Shura Togi with something like att+10, that'd be nice.

Also - What WS body do non-Fudo SAM's use atm? I sold my Osode for 1M when I saw it deflating and bought a Hachiman body for the interim.

Im personally thinking I might brew down a Raja as I can put good use to both his 100% drops.

Edited, May 15th 2011 6:58am by Sandmasterr
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#5 May 16 2011 at 9:01 AM Rating: Good
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I finished my Moonshade earring this weekend (Attack+4/TP Bonus+25). A 5-hit Fudo SAM absolutely destroys the WOTG battles. We were able to do it all as a duo. If you are talking about a 1500 damage WS, that +25TP is worth about +100 damage.

The best body right now for Fudo is Byrnie+1. The attack is really good on it.

As for sub choices, it is really going to depend on your gear. If you are at 20% haste or lower, /DRG with wyvern earring is going to probably be your best bet (non-Fudo). Once you get over 20% haste, /DRG starts looking worse and worse. You don't need the accuracy bonus right now so your only real benefit becomes the jumps. /WAR with Berserk and Double attack will start to pull ahead as you get higher haste. If you have Fudo, Berserk helps you WS in addition to your regular attacks, and WAR pretty much is the default sub.
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#6 May 16 2011 at 8:28 PM Rating: Good
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What ws bodies are non-fudo sam's using right now?
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#7 May 17 2011 at 10:13 AM Rating: Good
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YGK bodies probably go Twilight > Nocturnus > Osode.

Edit: Double checked in Kinematics spreadsheets and this holds true. The 1% TA on Nocturnus isn't enough to overcome the 5STR more on Twilight. Although its pretty close outside Abyssea.

Edited, May 17th 2011 12:19pm by JaxReborn
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#8 May 19 2011 at 6:00 AM Rating: Good
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That Twighlight body isn't exactly the easiest thing to get either. Im not gonna use brews on him for the chance at locking the body, seems like a waste with the already low drop rate of it. I guess maybe i'll just tag along to shin runs not all brewers will want the body.
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#9 May 19 2011 at 9:54 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah I don't have Twilight body either (or head or cloak, but have everything else from Shin). I've killed Shinryu probably 4 times solo on THF just cause I had cruor piled up. It won't make a huge difference over Osode (~20 damage outside abyssea, up to ~40 inside depending on atmas).
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#10 May 20 2011 at 7:22 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah just head and body im missing. I guess i'll just join some runs and see what happends. The dagger, belt, neck are all great pieces im v3ry happy with. I got a back piece too but I stupidly thought I could use it on COR (QD) so that piece is just gathering dust unfortunately.
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