SAM and DynabyssFollow

Do you think SAM will make its comeback here or do you think people will stick to their current trend for best lowman setups of 2-3 ppl.

Sam should jump back to top-end spot for pure dmg dealer. 5HIT along with the nice Ketio+2, extra haste and WAR sj over /DRG as the haste isn't needed anymore adds some nice DMG to the SAM of 75. If the SAM has Tachi: Fudo* then thats arguably the best WS outside of Abyssea.

Reasons why I see SAM still struggling if groups for Dynabyss are typically going to be 3-4 people after we settle into it will be those groups will still probably prefer NIN or MNK for tank to start with, WHM, 2nd mage, then 1 more. Things will be different as all kinds of issues will pop up - like SAM and WAR will be dealing large amounts of dmg, more than maybe mnk or nin can keep up with to hold hate so what happens then. Chances are the lowman population will just take 2 mnks or 2 nins and get to work. If something like that trends on and on, then pure DD's like SAM/DRG/DRK might never see the light again.

Edited, Apr 1st 2011 4:08am by Sandmasterr

Yeah if it becomes a low-man coin farm / relic making then THF will be the No1 mob. With their Evasion too, MNK mobs wouldn't be a problem for them. If new R/Ex or dyna specific ways of upgrading to +2 equipment arn't implemented then dyna will just become a coin farm.

The way they have left CoP zones alone suggests to me that they will infact implement getting +2 AF2 gears - It would certainly mean CoP zones will be used as those -1 pieces would become quite valuable, and how ever they made +2 upgrades possible in their new dyna structure, it would certainly keep dyna alive and kicking for a long time. It would also demand some group work for the CoP zones and affectively keeps current LS's alive that don't have greedy leaders.

It just feels like theres more to this story that SE is yet to inform us of.

I don't see the need for PLD in Dynamis unless SE ups the mob difficulty significantly. Going 75-90 should vastly reduce the damage everyone takes now, and DDs should have no issue holding hate.

Also, even without atmas, 6-hit non-Fudo SAM was beginning to lag behind other DDs at 80+. 5-hit SAM with Fudo is a different story. SAM may see a resurgence in Dynamis, but it will require some work to make it worthwhile.

I agree with you man ^^

Right now outside abbysea. My samurai with 5 hit Keito+2. Is a beast. Really if a DRG. WAR. or DRK. Not is using a 5 hit as well. They hardly can keep up with my damage. (Talking only outside abbysea).

My LS keep doing old events so i can still enjoying a lot of my samurai!

Yeah I noticed lag behind using hagun at 80, and using the same weapon to level to 85 after update, well, it wasn't good. But making a 5HIT Keito+2 shifted everything back into perspective. I'm mainly MNK for abyssea, and I cant go SAM anyway to things and go all out DD because I just get hate and ko. For me, /NIN just doesn't work, to many conflicts of interest sooo.

I've sid this before, but SAM out of all the DD's needs a crit ws the least. DRK NEEDS on, but SAM, no, unless they want to break the job.

Masa sam is probably the 1# DD outside of abyssea only occasionally being on par with war and monk as they can be better at times but nothing outrageous that you should pick them over sam if you prefer sam.

Theres no reason you have to stand around really, you have: jinpu, koki, cyclone,seraph strike, seraph blade, red lotus, raiden thrust, and earth crusher. You have 8/13 for procs, thats more than half.

Theres probably only 4 reasons for the bandwagon on sam pre-abyssea.
1: If you truely enjoyed the samurai style of things(ie culture,you play sam on other games, you did first before know anything else)
2: Gekko mechanics, basically on anything with a high defense, and no attack buffs, gekko sam was probably the better way to go
3: Polearm sam, lets face it, gekko sam outside of hnm def mobs couldnt keep up with drk, war, drg with attack buffs unless you went polearm. Everyone loved colibri exp camps, so everyone was king on plm sam at that camp.
4: Everyone was doing it, so you did it too(the real bandwagons) w/o a real good reason, outside of popularity. No one will hate you for it, but if you dont try to atleast understand the jobs mechanics and gear it decently properly, they might.

I personally fall into cat. 1 and 2.


*note* not attacking you honestly, just giving you another look on things, esp the procs that you could be contributing on sam.

Edited, Apr 8th 2011 8:45pm by hitoseijuro

This big time. There was massive hate heaped upon SAM's and the words "over powered" kept being thrown around, only by people who didn't understand the mechanics involved. Gekko has a low fTP multiplier but is guaranteed to have capped ratio or damn near capped. On anything bigger then an XP mob a SAM had the equivalent of 800~1000+ attack without using berserk, this counts for alot seeing as high level NM's nerf you on LCF. The downside to this is that no amount of buffs will raise the damage output of Gekko. It's more or less capped no matter how ~leet~ your shell is on BRD's and COR's. Considering most of the players do not read the forums and do not participate is mega elite link-shells, the easiest way to kill big things was to throw SAM's at it. A WAR / DRK / DRG / ect.. could outperform a SAM if they were provided buffs and the target NM had Dia II / III on it (you'd be surprised the number of BLM's that would insist of throwing our Bio II on everything). So while SAM's had an advantage in that they didn't need attack buffs, they also had a disadvantage in that those attack buffs did almost nothing for them.